Wait times

[lazyboy97o]

By definition capacity doesn't change unless you add or remove people..........so if yo have 54,000 people in MK, it's still 54,000.........Crowds can change as you can shift people around in the park and it can be more crowed in one spot vs another, exactly what FP+ does

Huh? Attraction capacity informs how many people a park can handle based on how much the park wants you to do in a day. Disney does t want you doing much more than 8 experiences in a day. They want and create more crowding. FastPass+ convinced people they’re getting a perk by letting them “skip” some lines but most people are still doing less than they would if there was just adequate capacity. Magic Kingdom has empty and underused attraction, retail and dining space. The park has less dining capacity today than 30 years ago.

I think @lazyboy97o meant ride capacity, not park capcity.

Park capacity is a function of ride capacity.

 

[TTLUTS]

Could you explain how you arrived at this conclusion? Did you ask the only person who could possibly know, namely @wdwmagic ? I have a hunch you might be incorrect about this.

Just a guess........most of the posts i read hate FP+...you disagree?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Just a guess........most of the posts i read hate FP+...you disagree?

You’re making the mistake of thinking everyone who visits like you agrees with you.

 

[TTLUTS]

Huh? Attraction capacity informs how many people a park can handle based on how much the park wants you to do in a day. Disney does t want you doing much more than 8 experiences in a day. They want and create more crowding. FastPass+ convinced people they’re getting a perk by letting them “skip” some lines but most people are still doing less than they would if there was just adequate capacity. Magic Kingdom has empty and underused attraction, retail and dining space. The park has less dining capacity today than 30 years ago.



Park capacity is a function of ride capacity.

Most people don't want to do more than 8......AK only has 6 rides total......, Epcot only has 5 (soon to be 7) and HS (until recently only had 6) only has 8 rides

 

[TTLUTS]

You’re making the mistake of thinking everyone who visits like you agrees with you.

No I'm not....Exact opposite....Im saying most people disagree with me

 

[nickys]

Just a guess........most of the posts i read hate FP+...you disagree?

I disagree that disliking FP+ means they’re local AP holders, yes.

I also know that many of the well informed posters here who have the facts and figures about FP+ and argue against it being an efficient system are not local to WDW.

 

[nickys]

Most people don't want to do more than 8......AK, Epcot and HS (until recently) only have 8 or less

What the heck? You do know people like to ride multiple times, or park hop? And if you include shows and other “non-ride” attractions, there are more than 8 things to do in those parks.

Please stop making assumptions and then stating them as fact.

 

[TTLUTS]

I disagree that disliking FP+ means they’re local AP holders, yes.

I also know that many of the well informed posters here who have the facts and figures about FP+ and argue against it being an efficient system are not local to WDW.

What the heck? You do know people like to ride multiple times, or park hop? And if you include shows and other “non-ride” attractions, there are more than 8 things to do in those parks.

Please stop making assumptions and then stating them as fact.

We are talking rides that you need FP attractions for....Yes i know........

 

[lazyboy97o]

Most people don't want to do more than 8......AK only has 6 rides total......, Epcot only has 5 (soon to be 7) and HS (until recently only had 6) only has 8 rides

That’s not true and again you projecting your preferences onto others. That there are so few rides at some of the most visited theme parks in the world is a clear demonstration of their lack of adequate capacity.

No I'm not....Exact opposite....Im saying most people disagree with me

You’re saying most here disagree because they visit frequently. How people visit does not correlate to their view of FastPass+. There are plenty of locals who know it well and use it to their advantage. There are plenty of infrequent visitors who prefer not having to plan months in advance.

 

[TTLUTS]

What the heck? You do know people like to ride multiple times, or park hop? And if you include shows and other “non-ride” attractions, there are more than 8 things to do in those parks.

Please stop making assumptions and then stating them as fact.

That’s not true and again you projecting your preferences onto others. That there are so few rides at some of the most visited theme parks in the world is a clear demonstration of their lack of adequate capacity.


You’re saying most here disagree because they visit frequently. How people visit does not correlate to their view of FastPass+. There are plenty of locals who know it well and use it to their advantage. There are plenty of infrequent visitors who prefer not having to plan months in advance.

Fair enough........Let me ask you this........Would people oppose something like Universals Express Pass? Get to skip the lines while not doing any pre planning............

 

[nickys]

Fair enough........Let me ask you this........Would people oppose something like Universals Express Pass? Get to skip the lines while not doing any pre planning............

Having something like that would a) also not give any onsite advantage, unless it was only available to those staying onsite, b) would have to be limited to avoid making the express line so long that it would negate it’s benefit

Which therefore means even by staying onsite you would still have to “compete” in order to be able to buy one.

Would you be happy with that risk, having to book your stay before knowing whether or not you could get an express pass?

 

[TTLUTS]

Having something like that would a) also not give any onsite advantage, unless it was only available to those staying onsite, b) would have to be limited to avoid making the express line so long that it would negate it’s benefit

Which therefore means even by staying onsite you would still have to “compete” in order to be able to buy one.

Would you be happy with that risk, having to book your stay before knowing whether or not you could get an express pass?

Thats my point.........It's not FP+ that people hate, its how many FP+ that are distributed...........Express Pass is the same thing, just limited in the number that is "sold"

I would not book unless I know i could skip the lines

 

[lazyboy97o]

Fair enough........Let me ask you this........Would people oppose something like Universals Express Pass? Get to skip the lines while not doing any pre planning............

I don’t care if there reservation, virtual queue or straight skip the line schemes so long as the park is offering adequate capacity to all of its guests.

 

[TTLUTS]

I don’t care if there reservation, virtual queue or straight skip the line schemes so long as the park is offering adequate capacity to all of its guests.

Well thats never going to happen

 

[nickys]

Thats my point.........It's not FP+ that people hate, its how many FP+ that are distributed...........Express Pass is the same thing, just limited in the number that is "sold"

I would not book unless I know i could skip the lines

The fact that 80% of a ride capacity is given to FP+ is a real problem to anyone who doesn’t have an FP for that attraction. Many people also dislike having to plan so far out to book their FP+. And of course those who stay onsite and find they still can’t book a Fastpass for FoP or Smuggler’s Run or FEA get doubly upset.

Even avid planners can dislike FP+ whilst still taking advantage of it. Personally I actually agree with @jaklgreen , in that I enjoy being able to plan my days knowing that I can get an FP for all the family’s favourite rides (and shows). That doesn’t mean I can’t see the downsides of FP+, although I have benefitted from it.

But your insistence that you must be able to skip the lines for X, Y & Z rides is puzzling. You can’t know before you book that you will be able to do that. It doesn’t matter what system they have in place. All you can do is book and then cancel if you are unable to get an FP or skip the line in some other way. Even booking a VIP tour means waiting until you can book a tour and hoping there is availability.

 

[TTLUTS]

The fact that 80% of a ride capacity is given to FP+ is a real problem to anyone who doesn’t have an FP for that attraction. Many people also dislike having to plan so far out to book their FP+. And of course those who stay onsite and find they still can’t book a Fastpass for FoP or Smuggler’s Run or FEA get doubly upset.

Even avid planners can dislike FP+ whilst still taking advantage of it. Personally I actually agree with @JaxFLBear , in that I enjoy being able to plan my days knowing that I can get an FP for all the family’s favourite rides (and shows). That doesn’t mean I can’t see the downsides of FP+, although I have benefitted from it.

But your insistence that you must be able to skip the lines for X, Y & Z rides is puzzling. You can’t know before you book that you will be able to do that. It doesn’t matter what system they have in place. All you can do is book and then cancel if you are unable to get an FP or skip the line in some other way. Even booking a VIP tour means waiting until you can book a tour and hoping there is availability.

It has never happened where i couldn't get a FP at the 60 day window for any ride I wanted

 

[JohnD]

What? Huh? Are you saying 60 minutes is longer than 60 minutes?

You know exactly what I'm saying. Knowing how long it takes to go through a line, then one hour from start to finish is definitely quicker than 1 hour in the same place because you have more time in line after that. Maybe another hour? Who knows?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Well thats never going to happen

Why? Disney chose to offer the bare minimum and spend billions of dollars to keep it up. They can chose to add capacity.

 

[TTLUTS]

You know exactly what I'm saying. Knowing how long it takes to go through a line, then one hour from start to finish is definitely quicker than 1 hour in the same place because you have more time in line after that. Maybe another hour? Who knows?

Um no i actually dont know what youre saying....a 60 minute wait whether your a removing or not is still a 60 minute wait.....Does anyone else disagree with that other than JohnD? Posted WAIT times is the time you're WAITING.......Whether you are weaving thru switchbacks or not is irrelevant

 

[JohnD]

Um no i actually dont know what youre saying....a 60 minute wait whether your a removing or not is still a 60 minute wait.....Does anyone else disagree with that other than JohnD?

A 60 minute wait in an unmovable line means the wait is 70, 80, 90, 100, or more. A 60 minute wait from standing in line to boarding is 60 minutes. So, I really don't understand your point. Yes, time is a constant. But it's how your time is maximized that counts.