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[TTLUTS]

Adequate capacity would allow you to do more than just six rides in a full day. Six rides means you’re doing about the bare minimum just as Disney wants.

That’s obviously not the point. If we had 3 FP+, we would be able to do a ton of rides. There aren’t more than 6 we would want to do at AK and Epcot (and beyond those 6, there’s barely any wait even when it’s busy) and HS just got over 6 with the addition of Star Wars but forever was less. MK is only one you do more

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That’s obviously not the point. If we had 3 FP+, we would be able to do a ton of rides. There aren’t more than 6 we would want to do at AK and Epcot (and beyond those 6, there’s barely any wait even when it’s busy) and HS just got over 6 with the addition of Star Wars but forever was less. MK is only one you do more

Sorry...but that IS the point. I’ve watched (not just here) people laud Disney for giving them 3-5 rides on a ticket that has risen to a one day price of around $120 a day.

That wasn’t the point...that was NEVER the point of the all inclusive ticket.

My main beef with + is not with Everest (its broken - by the way) or test track (if it works)...

It’s that they made a lot of the lesser rides far less accessible by forcing people to book “something”

That and the obvious admission with tiering that they aren’t properly equipped for their crowds...but that’s in my wheelhouse as I said that many years ago over in the sugarplum forest boards...the chickens came home and they can’t hide it with +

+ isn’t coming back...or perhaps if it does it will be a “cheap” holdover for a few years until they are forced to pay for a better system for distribution.

 

[TTLUTS]

Adequate capacity would allow you to do more than just six rides in a full day. Six rides means you’re doing about the bare minimum just as Disney wants.

Sorry...but that IS the point. I’ve watched (not just here) people laud Disney for giving them 3-5 rides on a ticket that has risen to a one day price of around $120 a day.

That wasn’t the point...that was NEVER the point of the all inclusive ticket.

My main beef with + is not with Everest (its broken - by the way) or test track (if it works)...

It’s that they made a lot of the lesser rides far less accessible by forcing people to book “something”

That and the obvious admission with tiering that they aren’t properly equipped for their crowds...but that’s in my wheelhouse as I said that many years ago over in the sugarplum forest boards...the chickens came home and they can’t hide it with +

+ isn’t coming back...or perhaps if it does it will be a “cheap” holdover for a few years until they are forced to pay for a better system for distribution.

No that’s not the point. I am the one making the point not you. That’s how this works. FP+ might not work for you but it works for me. And it works great. That’s the point.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No that’s not the point. I am the one making the point not you. That’s how this works. FP+ might not work for you but it works for me. And it works great. That’s the point.

...everybody’s got one.

 

[lazyboy97o]

That’s obviously not the point. If we had 3 FP+, we would be able to do a ton of rides. There aren’t more than 6 we would want to do at AK and Epcot (and beyond those 6, there’s barely any wait even when it’s busy) and HS just got over 6 with the addition of Star Wars but forever was less. MK is only one you do more

Adequate capacity means you would be able to do a ton of rides and there would be more for you to do.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Adequate capacity means you would be able to do a ton of rides and there would be more for you to do.

It’s still a bit shocking that people not only have accepted reductions due to crowd/planning mismanagement...but actually PROMOTE disney (and other amusement operators) for it.

 

[TTLUTS]

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Adequate capacity would allow you to do more than just six rides in a full day. Six rides means you’re doing about the bare minimum just as Disney wants.

Right but thats all they have that i ant to go on so playing the cards im dealt

 

[JohnD]

I have heard people mention this several times about the lines are constantly moving and that’s what makes it better not having FP+. If a line is 60 minutes and moving vs 60 minutes not moving it’s still 60 minutes. Maybe they should keep FP+ and just extend the lines for standby so they keep moving and everyone will be happy.

No. 60 minutes and moving means you get in line and it takes 60 minutes from when you get in line to boarding the attraction. 60 minutes and not moving means 60 minutes from when you first got in line and hardly any movement. Therefore the wait time is actually longer because you haven't boarded yet.

 

[JohnD]

Yes but as a once a year resort guest, I am the main beneficiary of FP+. It is a big benefit to me to be able to book FOP, Everest and Safari at AK and wait in line (even if inflated) at Navi, Kali and dinosaur. There’s no way you will convince me that I would wait less time to ride those 6 rides if there was no FP+ vs having it. It’s just simply not true. There are only 2-3 headline rides and to be able to cut the lines saves a massive amount of time b everyone wants to be on them (MMRR, MFSR, SDD, etc).
Same for Epcot. Same for Hollywood. Same for MK (but maybe saves least amount of time b there are more rides)

As I indicated before, the original FP was around before FP+ was installed in 2013. Disney has you well trained. Personally, I don't miss FP+ and like the added flexibility. So everyone has to wait a little longer for every attraction. I can go to whatever attraction I want without the pre-planning 30 to 60 days ahead or using the app to figure out the fourth or later FP+. And has been stated numerous times, standby dramatically increases because of the FP+ queues.

 

[TTLUTS]

No. 60 minutes and moving means you get in line and it takes 60 minutes from when you get in line to boarding the attraction. 60 minutes and not moving means 60 minutes from when you first got in line and hardly any movement. Therefore the wait time is actually longer because you haven't boarded yet.

What? Huh? Are you saying 60 minutes is longer than 60 minutes?

 

[TTLUTS]

As I indicated before, the original FP was around before FP+ was installed in 2013. Disney has you well trained. Personally, I don't miss FP+ and like the added flexibility. So everyone has to wait a little longer for every attraction. I can go to whatever attraction I want without the pre-planning 30 to 60 days ahead or using the app to figure out the fourth or later FP+. And has been stated numerous times, standby dramatically increases because of the FP+ queues.

And Im saying opposite...Its ok, we can disagree.......I wait less when i have 3 FP+ than someone who doesn't..............Standby prob does go up, but times for my 3 high demand FP+ rides goes WAY down for me and it drastically offsets any longer wait i have to do in standby.......

 

[jaklgreen]

As I indicated before, the original FP was around before FP+ was installed in 2013. Disney has you well trained. Personally, I don't miss FP+ and like the added flexibility. So everyone has to wait a little longer for every attraction. I can go to whatever attraction I want without the pre-planning 30 to 60 days ahead or using the app to figure out the fourth or later FP+. And has been stated numerous times, standby dramatically increases because of the FP+ queues.

I can see how people hate FP+. It is all in your touring style. I don't live in Florida and have to fly to get to WDW. I also am not a person to do rope drop. I would go to work at 3am and needed to sleep in on my vacations. So having at least those 3 FPs, that I can book ahead of time, was great for me. Before that, I was never able to get a FP for some of the popular rides because all of the paper ones went very fast. I also have some medical issues to where I can not wait in extended lines. So I skipped those 60+ minute wait time rides. FP+ definitely had benefits for a lot of people like me. You personally, do not like to plan ahead, but I do. I don't consider myself to be "trained" or led by Disney because of this. You call it lack of flexibility, I call it finally being able to get on rides that I had to skip for years. The thing with FP+ is that it is completely optional. You did not have to book those 3 ahead of time. You could just book what was available when you go to the park, just like the old paper method.

 

[TTLUTS]

I can see how people hate FP+. It is all in your touring style. I don't live in Florida and have to fly to get to WDW. I also am not a person to do rope drop. I would go to work at 3am and needed to sleep in on my vacations. So having at least those 3 FPs, that I can book ahead of time, was great for me. Before that, I was never able to get a FP for some of the popular rides because all of the paper ones went very fast. I also have some medical issues to where I can not wait in extended lines. So I skipped those 60+ minute wait time rides. FP+ definitely had benefits for a lot of people like me. You personally, do not like to plan ahead, but I do. I don't consider myself to be "trained" or led by Disney because of this. You call it lack of flexibility, I call it finally being able to get on rides that I had to skip for years. The thing with FP+ is that it is completely optional. You did not have to book those 3 ahead of time. You could just book what was available when you go to the park, just like the old paper method.

The real problem is, non resort guests typically cannot get the popular FP's at the 30 day window, resort guests usually take all of them at the 60 day window. So non resort guests have to wait in those long lines for the popular rides and it makes them upset that they have to wait longer because FP+ guests are making the lines longer..........It's a real benefit to resort guests and a real detriment to non resort guests

 

[jaklgreen]

The real problem is, non resort guests typically cannot get the popular FP's at the 30 day window, resort guests usually take all of them at the 60 day window. So non resort guests have to wait in those long lines for the popular rides and it makes them upset that they have to wait longer because FP+ guests are making the lines longer..........It's a real benefit to resort guests and a real detriment to non resort guests

And how is that a problem? Shouldn't those people forking over more money to stay with Disney have some perks? Almost all places have "loyalty" rewards that the average person does not get.

 

[TTLUTS]

And how is that a problem? Shouldn't those people forking over more money to stay with Disney have some perks? Almost all places have "loyalty" rewards that the average person does not get.

Not sure how you are interpreting what I said.......The real problem is referring to the real problem with the way FP+ functions.......It benefits some and not others.............

I have no problem with it since Im the once a year resort guest that benefits from it.

But i would say the vast majority of the people that are on this forum have a problem with it since most are local AP holders and fall into the other bucket, those who cannot get popular FP's at the 30 day window..

I wonder if the people that hate FP+, if their opinion would change, if they could have the same access at the 60 day window and got some of the popular rides..............

So getting a FP+ would be like a lottery system, much like ROTR BG's

 

[TTLUTS]

And how is that a problem? Shouldn't those people forking over more money to stay with Disney have some perks? Almost all places have "loyalty" rewards that the average person does not get.

And i think Disney's occupancy rates will decline/not come back if they don't reinstitute EMH and FP+..................And as i stated in an earlier post, i think everyone should want EMH and FP+ to come back as soon as possible. I think it will help book hotels and get revenue back in to the parks and help rehire cast members and return the other aspects of the parks quicker (fireworks, shows, etc.) as well as contribute to the bigger projects that are either currently going on (TRON, GOG) or future projects that got put on hold (Spaceship Earth, Reflections)

 

[lazyboy97o]

Not sure how you are interpreting what I said.......The real problem is referring to the real problem with the way FP+ functions.......It benefits some and not others.............

I have no problem with it since Im the once a year resort guest that benefits from it.

But i would say the vast majority of the people that are on this forum have a problem with it since most are local AP holders and fall into the other bucket, those who cannot get popular FP's at the 30 day window..

I wonder if the people that hate FP+, if their opinion would change, if they could have the same access at the 60 day window and got some of the popular rides..............

So getting a FP+ would be like a lottery system, much like ROTR BG's

Many people dislike it because they understand it is a way of increasing crowding while stagnating capacity.

 

[TTLUTS]

Many people dislike it because they understand it is a way of increasing crowding while stagnating capacity.

By definition capacity doesn't change unless you add or remove people..........so if yo have 54,000 people in MK, it's still 54,000.........Crowds can change as you can shift people around in the park and it can be more crowed in one spot vs another, exactly what FP+ does

 

[nickys]

But i would say the vast majority of the people that are on this forum have a problem with it since most are local AP holders.

Could you explain how you arrived at this conclusion? Did you ask the only person who could possibly know, namely @wdwmagic ? I have a hunch you might be incorrect about this.

 

[nickys]

By definition capacity doesn't change unless you add or remove people..........so if yo have 54,000 people in MK, it's still 54,000.........Crowds can change as you can shift people around in the park and it can be more crowed in one spot vs another, exactly what FP+ does

I think @lazyboy97o meant ride capacity, not park capcity.