I have stayed in Royal Pacific and Portofino Bay... Not HRH or CBBR, but Sapphire Falls seems pretty darn nice in comparison to Royal Pacific.
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I have stayed in Royal Pacific and Portofino Bay... Not HRH or CBBR, but Sapphire Falls seems pretty darn nice in comparison to Royal Pacific.
UNCgolf
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That must just be a personal preference thing. I've also stayed at both and thought Royal Pacific was definitely nicer than Sapphire Falls in both the room quality and the overall hotel look and amenities.
This is a great point.
If WDW does something where everyone buys it, it will defeat the purpose. IMO it needs to be priced as an exclusive.
If less people have it, it will work better. Also, if less people have it, the standby lines should move better. Assuming they get back to full ride capacity down the road.
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Universal *averages* 57,500 guests per day.
Assume they book 90% of those deluxe rooms on average, with an average of 3 guests per room... That's about 6,500 guests with Universal Express Pass.
So if they double that with paid-UEP on an average day... So assume it's 13,000 of their guests with UEP, it's about 20% of their guests are using UEP on an average day.
JoeCamel
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When I stayed at SF 10 nights I would walk over to RPR for breakfast in the Orchid Court. I got hooked the year before when I did 6 nights at RPR. SF does not compare in comfort, amenities or food imo and that was with $300 hotel credit in the bar. CBBR is fun but the north part still what we used to call a motel. It is designed that way
lentesta
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Yeah, this is pretty much exactly it. The best strategy for off-site guests seems to be to head straight for those secondary attractions (e.g., Frontierland), and leave some headliners for last.
nickys
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Which they won’t do, of course. Except for hard-core liners.
It will depend on the park and how close different headliners are to each other.
For example, at Epcot -- the 30 minutes will likely just give you 1 headliner, but also put you in great position for a second.
So if it's a 9:00 am official open at Epcot -- Early Entry starts to let people in shortly before 8:30. By 8:40, you're arriving at Test Track. You're off Test Track by 8:55... at 9:00 am, just as regular guests walk in, you're ahead of them, getting on line at Frozen. You're on a 15 minute wait for Frozen, while a 45 minute line forms behind you.
At MK, with short rides closer together, you can more easily get a 3 ride advantage. By 8:35, you're arriving at Mine Train.. you're off it by 8:47, you go straight to Peter Pan, and you're off Peter Pan by 9:00 a.m. ... and just as other guests are coming in to the park, you're already on your way to a 3rd headliner.
Same as DHS -- You can probably knock out all 3 Toy Story land rides in the first 45 minutes, with Early Entry.
Naplesgolfer
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If we run with your number of 6500 buying express past at average of 159.99. ( averaging for the wild swings in price and the 4 levels of pass) that comes out to over a million a day in revenue. This really solidifies in my mine the fact that the Bob's aren't leaving this money on the table for long at Disney. and Disney can sell far more than 6500 depending on how many free they take away and if they eliminate all extra's after the free ones like we have now. Could be a billion a year in revenue.
There would be direct and indirect revenue -- If used as something included for on-site guests, then it helps them book up their on-site rooms at higher rack rate prices. If used just for deluxe guests, or even just for concierge level guests -- it again incentivizes more people to upgrade at higher prices. And filling an on-site slot adds further revenue in dining, shopping, etc.
WDW has an average of 165,000 visitors per year.
If you monetized express pass to 15% of them --Then that's 24,750 per day. Whether monetized as a direct payment, or it basically lets you charge more for a deluxe room, etc. If you get an average additional revenue of $50 per person... that's about $500 million per year. If you are "selling" Express Passes to 20%, with an average additional revenue of $100 per person -- that's $1.2 billion per year.
So yes.. I think it's fair to say that WDW is currently leaving between $500 million and $1 billion on the table by not monetizing express pass more than they currently are. (FP+ does have some monetization with the 60 day booking window for on-site guests, and concierge guests can purchase additional).
If there is one thing the Mouse hates, it's seeing guests checkout with money still in their wallets...
Daily Magic
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This thread is fascinating and scary to read all at the same time. It makes me worry that Disney will move further and further towards being a rich playground in the future. You can say all you want that you don’t need to buy fast passes or stay on property but if it means offsite guests who don’t buy fast passes get half the experience then it will lead to Disney no longer being a family vacation for many people. The idea of paying for tickets which are already incredibly expensive and then having to possibly pay that same amount again just to enjoy your day at the park is absolutely crazy to me. As a business sure it’ll make Disney money but is that sustainable? Does it scale with inflation? When will enough be enough and consumers won’t take it anymore?
Naplesgolfer
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I have zero inside knowledge, just coming up with a hypothesis. One scenario where it might not be not so bad for the average guest is switching to universal's model. If they monetize 20% of the current fastpass volume and eliminate all others and everyone else is in a fast moving standby line (like universal is now) everyone , including the Bob's may be happier. It will be interesting to see how it changes. I would be very surprised if some program of monetization doesn't happen given the amount of money at stake.
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Jrb1979
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No offense but when I see people post about paying for fastpasses it makes me think many Disney people don't go to other parks much. Outside of Disney, just about every other park has a paid system. In Cedar Fair's case it usually costs more then the ticket to get in.
I personally have no issue with a paid system as long as it's limited to how many can buy it. The less people that buy it the more rides I get on.
Sirwalterraleigh
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Sirwalterraleigh
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Lotta work there...remember when people complained they had to get the tickets from the machines by walking to them???
Yeah...people don’t like that kinda stuff for high cost.
The problem is the balance point between making money and flooding the lines with too many. Some companies don’t do well with “enough” concepts.
Their goal is to get the most amount of people at the highest tolerable price for the most amount of products.
Somebody told me that once.
nickys
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That’s exactly what people did during EMH or EMM. Knock out as many rides as possible during those early hours, then take a rest, grab a bite to eat and continue.
The guests who got up for EMH knew what they were getting up for. It’s not for everyone, but those that always do EMH or rope drop do this every day. They know exactly what they plan to ride and where to head next.
SourcererMark79
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- In the Parks
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Extra Early Magic Minutes. $3.99 for the first minute and $1.99 each additional minute.
Miss Cleo made it work in the 1980s!!
disneygeek90
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I tend to think it's quite low. Gringotts was posted at 120 mins yesterday around 5pm. I used my express pass after 4 included with my AP, waited 10 mins.
Sirwalterraleigh
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I would agree. There isn’t nearly as much interest for paying double the ticket price as praetorians on Disney sites make themselves believe there is.