Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Nope..I pulled the standard rate for a day in late April off the 2021 rack chart. Not DVC.
It doesn’t sound right to me either...I really hope it’s not
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Rumor Version of MaxPass coming to WDW in May?
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Nope..I pulled the standard rate for a day in late April off the 2021 rack chart. Not DVC.
It doesn’t sound right to me either...I really hope it’s not
UNCgolf
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Yep. Adds up quickly if you're staying for a few days. There's no universe in which the Polynesian is worth $150 more per night than the Royal Pacific, even if you think the Polynesian is actually a better hotel (as I said, I think it's worse). I don't see any way someone could argue it's $150 per night better.
The rack rate for some of the "better" rooms like pool view is pushing $1k per night, and lagoon view has sailed right on past $1k a night.
Purduevian
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Agree to Disagree. If you get there like 15 minutes before resort rope drop, you should be able to have under a 5-10 minute wait on basically anything. After that attraction, you should still have at least 10 minutes to get in line for another E ticket before the general public gets in, I don't think that line would be more than ~20 minutes. People don't like to get up early and underestimate how long it takes to get from a resort to MK.
nickys
Premium Member
Not true at all. During EMM, for example it was easily possible to do 5 or 6 rides in that hour. Some people would die 7dmt 3 or 4 times and go over to PP for 2 or 3 rides before regular guests were allowed through the stand-by line.
During EMH it was possible to get through at least 3 or 4 rides easily. And that had all the resort guests who were rope dropping. The new system has them spread over 4 parks.
The regular guests won’t be allowed through until after 30 minutes, so 40 until they hit the lines. And they will immediately be behind a full line of resort guests. At best they’ll have 20-30 minutes for their first ride and there’s a knock-on effect as more and more guests come in to the park. By then canny resort guests will have moved on to the 2nd tier of rides where they’ll be walking on whilst others queue for the most popular ones. Which is what @lentesta was saying about the cumulative extra wait time for offsite guests.
Naplesgolfer
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I checked for a possible day over 4th of July week . weekend day 309.99
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nickys
Premium Member
Poly isn’t open yet.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Poly isn’t open yet.
But the rates are set.
So the comparison still stands $744 x 30% deduct x 1.13 tax...
That’s why the room selector was wonky...but it doesn’t change the price discrepancy. They have never/will be really lowered a rack rate. Not once.
People came to Disney before FP+.. before FP.. a paid express pass isn't going to scare off the masses. They don't get scared off from Universal.
As to the 30 minutes, I think I'm understating it. Earlier in this thread, Len Testa (touringplans) stated that the effect of Early Entry will cause off-site guests to have to wait an additional 1-2 hours in lines over the course of the day (the effect of walking into a park that is already filled with guests). So saving 1-2 hours in line, at every park, every day -- That's a pretty big benefit. Arguably, it's a much better benefit than the only morning EMH... which was just typically once per week at any park. And since it was generally only 1 park per day, that park would just get higher attendance. Now, on-site guests get a half hour, at every park, every single day. That's a 1-3 headliner advantage over regular entry guests. (For example, at Magic Kingdom, one could probably do Mine Train, Peter Pan, and then get in a short line for a third headliner, right before official open. At DHS, do Slinky Dog, TSM, and get in a short line for Falcon before park open)
Early Entry could be rolled out in a less advantageous way, but no matter how they roll it out, it will put offsite guests at a big disadvantage compared to on-site rope droppers.
Been a couple years since I stayed at Universal.... But Portofino Bay / HRH and Royal Pacific always cost $100-$200 more per night than Cabana Bay or Sapphire Falls, on my past trips.
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
Fastpasses will be monetized at WDW. It’s not a matter of if, it’s a matter of when.. I am guessing they will include some kind of “free but worthless” Fastpass. It will be interesting to watch.#FakeNews. Disney will NEVER monetize FastPass, remember? Bunches of pixie dusters said so.
I'm not seeing how MaxPass (booking FastPasses on your phone) translates at WDW, where you've been able to do that for many, many moons. Taking this with a healthy dose of salt for now.
I guess they are expecting a few people that weekend
We're going the weekend before Thanksgiving and the EP rates are $139-$169pp and likely to go up as we get closer. Sure makes our $400/ night club room for 5 people at Royal Pacific look like genius planning...
I’ve been saying that for years. Maybe even a decade.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
We’re gonna have to wait and see. I can’t debate perfect scenarios. There’s a good reason why it doesn’t hold up to large sample size.
Splash mountain is I believe 11 minutes total? That is about 20 to get from the queue entry, through the snake, onto the ride; off and out.
If you’re the only one. You gotta get there, and maybe you could shave a few minutes off by entering warp??
I suppose you can go from sprint, onto mine train, onto Peter Pan, back onto mine train in 30? And maybe you have 10 minutes for the gate crowd to catch up after?
And that is simply time and distance...it doesn’t factor how many are there at all. The dispersion of crowd is irrelevant.
What fun....I think designing a missile might be easier.
I get what they’re doing...nearly eliminating it to solidify schedules and reduce/control labor and ops costs. The customers get...in most cases...one shot at something big.
That’s the deal...it can be debated for effect...but that is the deal.
Nobody better have to go pee or want a churro...you’re sunk then.
Naplesgolfer
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But when you consider they give a express pass to everyone in the room, ( I assume 4 is the max in most room categories) It is a very good value. I think these will increase in the future.
Between the 3 hotels that receive included express pass there are 2400 rooms. If we assumed a average of 3 per room that is 7200 people over two parks with express pass included in their room plus a unknown limited number that are sold. ( they do run out)
Anyone know the average universal daily attendance in both parks? It would be interesting to know the percentage of guests with express pass vs standby.
UNCgolf
Well-Known Member
They're also nicer hotels, though. It's a bit like a Disney deluxe costing more than a Disney moderate (although not exactly the same thing; the Universal ones are probably closer to each other in overall quality). Sapphire Falls is a solid hotel (and I believe Universal considers it a mid-tier that's below the three that get Express Pass but above Cabana Bay), but it's a step down from the Royal Pacific. I'd expect Royal Pacific to cost $100 more per night regardless.
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
What percentage of the people by express pass?
That’s the unknown. I’m firmly on the side that if Disney tried to operate the same way...it could be a nightmare. A lot of yous on here are equating it to a more a “plug and play” scenario for them.
I think expectations for the two places are way different...on a variety of fronts. That’s the X factor.
But I’ve given my ideas...they’re just that. We don’t know what or how anything will be rolled out. No one does. Only slappy behind his name tag. The rest are not privy...all decisions are soft until announced.
Can’t wait for that sprint to flight of passage
I have 2 rooms booked at Royal Pacific in November and the max is 5. It's an insanely good deal. 3 days of EP for 10 people (5 in each room) and a decent hotel room for 2 nights.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
That is a good point.
I guess we can calculate a rough number...and then compare that to the daily crowds at wdw...where near EVERYONE was fastpass using before the shutdown. Because you have no choice.
Lots of intrigue with this.
JoeCamel
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But they are worth $200 a night more than CBBR. CBBR is a value hotel, I have stayed in all but PFR and the new super values, the deluxe are worth it.
I honestly have no idea. I can say it's a minority -- under 50%. Totally just based on my observation from 3 past Universal trips, I'd guess 10-15%, but that's totally non-scientific. Just from observation.
But it's pretty easy to adjust the percentage of people that use it: Either cap the number you sell, or just find the pricing level that creates the right level of demand. Obviously, if it was a $20 add-on, tons of people will buy it, if it's a $150 per person per day add-on, far fewer people will buy it.