We have seen it driving in our Uber!! Super neat!
For the love of God go spend your money on Awakening if it's there... The cheapest seats are worth every penny. Sit towards the back instead of towards the front.
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Vegas is like Epcot
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For the love of God go spend your money on Awakening if it's there... The cheapest seats are worth every penny. Sit towards the back instead of towards the front.
DisneyHead123
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Interesting (to me) note - while Vegas’s system is crueler, it’s actually more beneficial for someone like me who hates gambling. The high rollers, or possibility of them, subsidizes hotel rooms for everyone else. Disney is the exact opposite. Big spenders drive up prices.
Club Cooloholic
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True, but if you didn't feel VIP at Disney for not buying a dessert party package, you sure ain't gonna feel special in Vegas compared to the whales.
Omega Mart was not as great as I thought it would be. I was expecting more places to explore based on videos but it's really just two large rooms with interactive exhibits that aren't as interactive as I thought they'd be.
The idea is super duper neat though!! Just wish it was bigger.
The idea is super duper neat though!! Just wish it was bigger.
DisneyHead123
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I don’t know - the actual experience of those people seems just as “out of sight out of mind” as the people staying in the Cinderella suite at Disney, while being able to afford a swanky hotel room is still pretty cool. As a female what I dislike about Vegas is all the perfect, tanned, bleached, silicone bodies on display. I like rocking my Mom Uniform (black leggings, athletic shoes and a tunic top + the signature Mom Messy Bun) and feeling right at home at Disney.
All body shapes when I go to Vegas. The ones who take care of themselves through hard work at the gym or under the knife or both is their life their choice. I myself was obese , high cholesterol and sugar numbers, scared me straight and I decided to make lifestyle changes . Not easy and still isn't but its a choice I made for the better but still like to eat food from all over.
DisneyHead123
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I don’t mean dislike as in I dislike them personally, I just prefer casual environments where I don’t feel like I’m mentally comparing myself to super models all the time.
Tony the Tigger
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Vegas and Disney have both ebbed and flowed over the years when it came to food/service/theming, etc.
I almost moved there in the early 2000’s. For 4 years, I spent October/November through January in Vegas. It was super cheap to stay, a lot of fun, close enough to L.A; and good for business.
I made the decision to move and asked a friend to find an apartment complex for me while I was driving from FL. I got as far as Oklahoma City. Wilma hit back home, and I had to go back to take care of things. Never turned back around to move.
Probably better because I would have kept drinking at the clubs until all hours of the morning…there are no “ugly lights” at 2am!
I almost moved there in the early 2000’s. For 4 years, I spent October/November through January in Vegas. It was super cheap to stay, a lot of fun, close enough to L.A; and good for business.
I made the decision to move and asked a friend to find an apartment complex for me while I was driving from FL. I got as far as Oklahoma City. Wilma hit back home, and I had to go back to take care of things. Never turned back around to move.
Probably better because I would have kept drinking at the clubs until all hours of the morning…there are no “ugly lights” at 2am!
Vegas Disney Fan
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Probably better because I would have kept drinking at the clubs until all hours of the morning…there are no “ugly lights” at 2am!
I worried about the party atmosphere also but I learned really quickly after moving here that it wasn’t fun going out and then having to wake up and go to work in the morning with a hangover. That didn’t keep me from living it up on my weekends though.
I know a lot of people who weren’t able keep their partying (or gambling) in check though and most ended up broke and returned to where they came from within a year or two, with every vice available 24 hours a day it is a risky place to live.
If you can keep the vices in check though it’s a really fun place to live.
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Do you need a park reservation or a casino hopper option to visit another Casino?
networkpro
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- In the Parks
- Yes
Just a healthy dose of scepticism, timeshare sales and prostitute repellent.
THEMEPARKPIONEER
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I think they need a fountain like Bellagio outside of Imagination in that pond out front, now that would be awesome.
WoundedDreamer
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This is an interesting conversation. It reminds me of an astute commentary I read from Joe Rohde on Las Vegas. He pointed out that Las Vegas and theme parks have important similarities, but also striking differences.
In Las Vegas the elements of the city are in competition with each other. Each part of Las Vegas is trying to catch your attention so you spend money and time at their venue. It's a clash of corporate titans trying to appeal to your attention. By contrast, well designed theme parks are designed to reinforce other parts of the experience. For example, Cinderella Castle is not in competition with Main Street USA. The two are designed to harmonize. Cinderella Castle would be a worse experience without Main Street USA and Main Street USA would be a worse experience without Cinderella Castle. A personal favorite example of this concept is the Matterhorn and Sleeping Beauty Castle. The two look like they're made to be together. Because they were! (Well, Matterhorn came later but still
).
At the same time it would be foolhardy to dismiss the artistry and sophistication of casinos and other Vegas venues. Rohde himself expressed his admiration for Vegas. The art of grabbing attention and appealing to the senses is no trivial thing. It's easy to scoff at the casino, but it would be doing a disservice to the craft. They know exactly what they're doing and have mastered their vocation. And as the OP has noted, Vegas has remarkable and awe-inspiring sites, sounds, and tastes. It really is extraordinary!
It's not my cup of tea. I much prefer the curated theme park experience. However, I am not about to mock or belittle another form of spatial entertainment. To each their own!
On Epcot vs. Vegas I would make this observation. As originally developed, Epcot (or should I say EPCOT Center) was designed to blend together. Every pavilion was different, but each was part of a grander whole. Nothing makes this more clear than at night when all the pavilions of the nations light up in one grand vista! World Showcase and all of Epcot were one narrative. They were designed to help make people optimistic about the future and feel engaged in human story. By contrast, Vegas has no narrative or purpose. The parts of the whole are disjointed and completely unrelated.
In recent times, both Imagineering and management have lost the discipline and competence to maintain a story across the park. What connects Guardians of the Galaxy, the Moana fountain thing, and the rat ride? Epcot is becoming less and less coherent. So in a way Epcot is becoming more like Vegas. Not optimal. Not because Vegas is bad, but because Epcot was distinct and special.
Anyway, I'd like to thank the OP for the interesting prompt. Cheers!
In Las Vegas the elements of the city are in competition with each other. Each part of Las Vegas is trying to catch your attention so you spend money and time at their venue. It's a clash of corporate titans trying to appeal to your attention. By contrast, well designed theme parks are designed to reinforce other parts of the experience. For example, Cinderella Castle is not in competition with Main Street USA. The two are designed to harmonize. Cinderella Castle would be a worse experience without Main Street USA and Main Street USA would be a worse experience without Cinderella Castle. A personal favorite example of this concept is the Matterhorn and Sleeping Beauty Castle. The two look like they're made to be together. Because they were! (Well, Matterhorn came later but still
).At the same time it would be foolhardy to dismiss the artistry and sophistication of casinos and other Vegas venues. Rohde himself expressed his admiration for Vegas. The art of grabbing attention and appealing to the senses is no trivial thing. It's easy to scoff at the casino, but it would be doing a disservice to the craft. They know exactly what they're doing and have mastered their vocation. And as the OP has noted, Vegas has remarkable and awe-inspiring sites, sounds, and tastes. It really is extraordinary!
It's not my cup of tea. I much prefer the curated theme park experience. However, I am not about to mock or belittle another form of spatial entertainment. To each their own!
On Epcot vs. Vegas I would make this observation. As originally developed, Epcot (or should I say EPCOT Center) was designed to blend together. Every pavilion was different, but each was part of a grander whole. Nothing makes this more clear than at night when all the pavilions of the nations light up in one grand vista! World Showcase and all of Epcot were one narrative. They were designed to help make people optimistic about the future and feel engaged in human story. By contrast, Vegas has no narrative or purpose. The parts of the whole are disjointed and completely unrelated.
In recent times, both Imagineering and management have lost the discipline and competence to maintain a story across the park. What connects Guardians of the Galaxy, the Moana fountain thing, and the rat ride? Epcot is becoming less and less coherent. So in a way Epcot is becoming more like Vegas. Not optimal. Not because Vegas is bad, but because Epcot was distinct and special.
Anyway, I'd like to thank the OP for the interesting prompt. Cheers!
Sir_Cliff
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In terms of experience, I think it's more or less a case of each to their own and some will enjoy one more or as much as the other.
In terms of theming, I find the Vegas experience not all that comparable to Disney. Disney theming at its best is a lot more human-scale and aims to provoke emotions that are more on that personal level (e.g. nostalgia, happiness, discovery, etc.). I find is more about being grand and dazzling or impressing visitors. In other words, I don't think, for example, the Italy pavilion and the Venetian resort or even most of Disney's themed resorts and the Venetian are really going for the same thing.
EDIT: I see a more detailed comparison of the two was just posted while I was typing this!
In terms of theming, I find the Vegas experience not all that comparable to Disney. Disney theming at its best is a lot more human-scale and aims to provoke emotions that are more on that personal level (e.g. nostalgia, happiness, discovery, etc.). I find is more about being grand and dazzling or impressing visitors. In other words, I don't think, for example, the Italy pavilion and the Venetian resort or even most of Disney's themed resorts and the Venetian are really going for the same thing.
EDIT: I see a more detailed comparison of the two was just posted while I was typing this!
Club Cooloholic
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Yeah, try getting a seat at the club and you can quickly feel not VIP unless you're a whale or ready to pay 2k for bottle service.
SaucyBoy
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I was just about to ask if you were seeing any Cirque while you were out there. I hope O is one of the shows you're seeing ( I have a feeling that's the $600 one). Truthfully, that's the only reason I ever want to visit Las Vegas. It's like the Holy Land for Cirque du Soleil fans, lol. Now that I've checked off seeing a brand new big top show in Montreal (ECHO), Vegas is next on my bucket list. Enjoy and please write a review somewhere!!
I heavily considered O. But I love doing what other people haven't done, and everyone I know has seen O. I know it has rave reviews, but I opted for Ka ($336) and Love ($600-ish)
Ka was absolutely well worth the money. That show was spectacular. Here's hoping The Beatles will do the same.
Side note-- after seeing these productions, I now understand why people are a bit critical of Drawn to Life... However... For someone (like me originally) who has never seen a Cirque show in their life, it's still spectacular, and it can still be appreciated as an amazing show. Like old school Pixar... The "worst Cirque show" is still an extremely high bar, I'd say.
phillip9698
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There is a funny irony that I notice when Disney fans branch off to Vegas. They usually go down the route of "Vegas is what Disney used to be. Disney needs to recapture their magic and sense of grandeur". What those people don't realize is current Vegas is in the same stage as current Disney. They never saw what was offered previously so they don't know what has been downgraded.
As far as actual theming and guest interactivity goes Vegas has cut that drastically. Almost everything that is being built, updated, and kept up is for catering to the whale and exuding an air of luxury intended to do nothing but convince adults to part with more money. The theme is now "expensive". That's it, whatever it is it just needs to look expensive. They never saw Luxor, Excalibur, Treasure Island, Caesars Palace, etc... when the theming and guest experience were the priority. Today those are the mediocre to bad properties with no plans to return them to their prior splendor.
As far as actual theming and guest interactivity goes Vegas has cut that drastically. Almost everything that is being built, updated, and kept up is for catering to the whale and exuding an air of luxury intended to do nothing but convince adults to part with more money. The theme is now "expensive". That's it, whatever it is it just needs to look expensive. They never saw Luxor, Excalibur, Treasure Island, Caesars Palace, etc... when the theming and guest experience were the priority. Today those are the mediocre to bad properties with no plans to return them to their prior splendor.
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Vegas Disney Fan
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Ka is mostly spectacle (aerials, technology), Love is mostly art (dance and music)… I think O is the perfect combination of spectacle and art which is why it’s so good.
Personally I prefer the spectacle of a show like Ka, my Gf prefers the art of a show like Love, probably why O is our favorite, it falls in the middle so we both love It.