Universal Epic Universe (South Expansion Complex) - Opens May 22 2025

999th Happy Haunt

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Have it play at night.

Also this might be sacrilege to being a big Nintendo fan, but when it comes to the original DKC trilogy I’ve only ever played the first game :oops:
DKC 2 is definitely worth a play through, it might be even better than the first. 3 is meh, at least compared to 1 and 2.

As for where it could play, I think it might be great load area music for the coaster. A moment of calm before shooting off.
 

JT3000

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Does no one else find it incredibly strange that they're starting to prep the preview center at a time when most details of the park still aren't even officially announced yet? 🤷‍♂️ Unless we're getting a big reveal VERY soon, that's putting the cart before the horse.
 

maxairmike

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Does no one else find it incredibly strange that they're starting to prep the preview center at a time when most details of the park still aren't even officially announced yet? 🤷‍♂️ Unless we're getting a big reveal VERY soon, that's putting the cart before the horse.

I don’t think so. I wouldn’t be surprised if they use the exterior of the store (or construction walls if they’re put up) to tease a big announcement(s) leading up to the opening of the preview center, if that’s actually what is going in that space. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they open a preview center the same day in conjunction with a major reveal, so wanting it ready to go before makes sense so there’s no delay in timing.
 

Disneyhead'71

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Does no one else find it incredibly strange that they're starting to prep the preview center at a time when most details of the park still aren't even officially announced yet? 🤷‍♂️ Unless we're getting a big reveal VERY soon, that's putting the cart before the horse.
They don't want to amp up the hype machine until Summer '24 for two reasons.

Confusion, they don't want people to think it is opening this Summer.

And delay, they don't want people to postpone a '24 trip waiting until '25 to see the new park.

There is rumored to be more info coming around Jan. 21st. But they will really amp up everything in June when the Preview Center opens.
 

Mike S

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DKC 2 is definitely worth a play through, it might be even better than the first. 3 is meh, at least compared to 1 and 2.

As for where it could play, I think it might be great load area music for the coaster. A moment of calm before shooting off.
Queue:


Ride:


Unload:




Stickerbush Symphony to me would be perfect as an outdoor track while walking around the land at night.
 

JT3000

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They don't want to amp up the hype machine until Summer '24 for two reasons.

Confusion, they don't want people to think it is opening this Summer.

And delay, they don't want people to postpone a '24 trip waiting until '25 to see the new park.

There is rumored to be more info coming around Jan. 21st. But they will really amp up everything in June when the Preview Center opens.
I can understand the logic for delaying an announcement (although given how long ago the park itself was announced, I think they're really pushing it and risking a decline in interest) but I don't understand how it's going to take nearly half a year to open the preview center if they're starting now. That shouldn't take any longer to set up than a tribute store. It also wouldn't make sense to just leave the finished product shuttered while waiting for an announcement, as they're no longer making money from that store. I'm still surprised they didn't use the actual tribute store space like they did for IOA, but I guess they want to increase access to it.
 

Andrew25

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Universal has a bizarre "announce as late as we can" policy after the 2009 downturn in attendance because people delayed their trips to 2010 for the opening of Potter. In my opinion, those claims are a tad exaggerated as Universal hadn't built many things before that. Only The Simpsons in 2008 and Mummy in 2005 before that. Mummy was a great addition but started a trend of thrill/motion rides that replaced more family-friendly (no height requirements) options at the park.

Universal's target audience, at that time, was the older crowd as they just couldn't compete with Disney in the children/family market. That's obviously changed now, hoping that Epic starts a trend of going back to basics by creating attractions that are family-friendly.

I don't agree with Universal's current marketing strategies, but they have some severe nightmares that still linger from the openings of USF in 1990, Hogsmeade in 2010, and even Volcano Bay in 2017. IOA opened fine, but partly cause nobody showed up due to the 'Escape' marketing failure.

Universal hasn't had a successful park opening in Orlando. Universal is considering blocking/not selling APs that include Epic for the first few months of its public opening, so it might be a 4th failure. We'll see lol
 

WDWFREAK53

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I can understand the logic for delaying an announcement (although given how long ago the park itself was announced, I think they're really pushing it and risking a decline in interest) but I don't understand how it's going to take nearly half a year to open the preview center if they're starting now. That shouldn't take any longer to set up than a tribute store. It also wouldn't make sense to just leave the finished product shuttered while waiting for an announcement, as they're no longer making money from that store. I'm still surprised they didn't use the actual tribute store space like they did for IOA, but I guess they want to increase access to it.
I'm assuming we will see models and info on the new resorts. I think it's a little more than setting up a tribute store (Again, assumptions and all but this is based on them creating new, more detailed models than one they initially based the park around) Remember, things have changed since that concept art.
Universal has a bizarre "announce as late as we can" policy after the 2009 downturn in attendance because people delayed their trips to 2010 for the opening of Potter. In my opinion, those claims are a tad exaggerated as Universal hadn't built many things before that. Only The Simpsons in 2008 and Mummy in 2005 before that. Mummy was a great addition but started a trend of thrill/motion rides that replaced more family-friendly (no height requirements) options at the park.

Universal's target audience, at that time, was the older crowd as they just couldn't compete with Disney in the children/family market. That's obviously changed now, hoping that Epic starts a trend of going back to basics by creating attractions that are family-friendly.

I don't agree with Universal's current marketing strategies, but they have some severe nightmares that still linger from the openings of USF in 1990, Hogsmeade in 2010, and even Volcano Bay in 2017. IOA opened fine, but partly cause nobody showed up due to the 'Escape' marketing failure.

Universal hasn't had a successful park opening in Orlando. Universal is considering blocking/not selling APs that include Epic for the first few months of its public opening, so it might be a 4th failure. We'll see lol
It'll fail because nobody will go because it'll be too crowded.

This is my take on it. They will sort of soft open to APs/TMs and most likely not the entire park. Then once it's ready to officially open, they'll halt APs due to possibly turning out-of-town guests away to their shiny new park. How is this a bad thing? APs have been paid for...and those are usually locals. You want to make a splash with all of those guests that are travelling home and spreading the word about how incredible this new Universal park is.
 

lazyboy97o

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I can understand the logic for delaying an announcement (although given how long ago the park itself was announced, I think they're really pushing it and risking a decline in interest) but I don't understand how it's going to take nearly half a year to open the preview center if they're starting now. That shouldn't take any longer to set up than a tribute store. It also wouldn't make sense to just leave the finished product shuttered while waiting for an announcement, as they're no longer making money from that store. I'm still surprised they didn't use the actual tribute store space like they did for IOA, but I guess they want to increase access to it.
Changing from a store to a preview center would likely be a change in occupancy from Group M Mercantile to Group A Assembly. Change of occupancy triggers a number of code requirements that would help explain the timeline.
 

Andrew25

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It'll fail because nobody will go because it'll be too crowded.

This is my take on it. They will sort of soft open to APs/TMs and most likely not the entire park. Then once it's ready to officially open, they'll halt APs due to possibly turning out-of-town guests away to their shiny new park. How is this a bad thing? APs have been paid for...and those are usually locals. You want to make a splash with all of those guests that are travelling home and spreading the word about how incredible this new Universal park is.
Crowding is a concern, but I'm not entirely opposed to an AP reservation system for the first few months. I'm just troubled by the idea that Universal might be "silent" on AP sales that include Epic. They can sell APs and blockout them out the entire summer, I'm fine with that, but remaining entirely silent on it is a concern.

Also, Disneyland had the same concerns with SWGE and look at how that turned out. So blocking out ALL APs entirely might be an exaggerated solution.

Changing from a store to a preview center would likely be a change in occupancy from Group M Mercantile to Group A Assembly. Change of occupancy triggers a number of code requirements that would help explain the timeline.
If you don't think Universal will be selling merch here, you crazy lol
 

Disneyhead'71

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All UOAPs already have black out days except the top tier. I expect '25 black out days to be all of June and July. And maybe all of June for the top tier.

That said, I think that will be after a lengthy AP exclusive preview period.
 

Andrew25

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All UOAPs already have black out days except the top tier. I expect '25 black out days to be all of June and July. And maybe all of June for the top tier.

That said, I think that will be after a lengthy AP exclusive preview period.

The top two (Preferred and Premier) don't have blockouts. I'm fully expecting blockouts, but I'm worried about the lack of information Universal is known for. They love announcing things late in advance.
 

WDWFREAK53

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All UOAPs already have black out days except the top tier. I expect '25 black out days to be all of June and July. And maybe all of June for the top tier.

That said, I think that will be after a lengthy AP exclusive preview period.
But don't the APs list which parks are included? I would imagine that Epic Universe isn't going to be included in the 2024 AP list. (Unless they allow an upgrade once the park opens). (And I say 2024 because if you purchase an AP late 2024, Epic Universe would be open before it expires)
 

donsullivan

Premium Member
But don't the APs list which parks are included? I would imagine that Epic Universe isn't going to be included in the 2024 AP list. (Unless they allow an upgrade once the park opens). (And I say 2024 because if you purchase an AP late 2024, Epic Universe would be open before it expires)
They will most certainly need to develop a new AP that includes 3 dry parks vs the current 2 that folks have today. In order for an AP to work at Epic, you’d likely need to upgrade to that new 3 park (or 4 if you include VB) ticket to be able to use it at Epic once it opens.
 

Disneyhead'71

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The top two (Preferred and Premier) don't have blockouts. I'm fully expecting blockouts, but I'm worried about the lack of information Universal is known for. They love announcing things late in advance.
I think the latest they could announce how they are going to handle it is May of this year. Because passes bought in June will certainly be effected.
 

Andrew25

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I think the latest they could announce how they are going to handle it is May of this year. Because passes bought in June will certainly be effected.
That's why, we're still a year out from Epic... but the 2025 vacation planning period is opening up in the next few months.

I've seen some things to suggest that their current plan is to provide as little information as possible, kind of how Universal determines Frequent Fear pricing each year for HHN depending on how 1-day sales/bookings are going.

Seems like Universal is following Disney's route of complicating things by not even including Epic Universe with multi-day ticket sales.

Mind you, this is a company that changes its decisions daily so hopeful they don't go down that route.

They will most certainly need to develop a new AP that includes 3 dry parks vs the current 2 that folks have today. In order for an AP to work at Epic, you’d likely need to upgrade to that new 3 park (or 4 if you include VB) ticket to be able to use it at Epic once it opens.
Yup - but that's if Universal releases new APs along the park's opening (or before).

Would be odd to have people renew in June for a 3 dry or 4-park pass and then find out your blocked out the entire summer lol
 

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