Universal Epic Universe (South Expansion Complex) - Opens May 22 2025

JoeCamel

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The info about Helios and Express Pass was great. It was a bit annoying that they kept hinting at the patreon show having better information, but the fact that they tell us anything for free is cause for thanks. So excited for this park and grateful for all who report on it.

I took it as a reminder that their pay site is there is you want more info or info sooner than the podcast. I also could see that keeping up with what you are talking about on which platforms could get confusing after a while! I like how they present info and appreciate they cover multiple platforms with some still being free!
A girl has to eat and Bob keeps raising park prices so a little appreciation for the information/entertainment provided is not out of line. I'm sure the ad budget is pretty bleak
 

Earlie the Pearlie

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I took it as a reminder that their pay site is there is you want more info or info sooner than the podcast. I also could see that keeping up with what you are talking about on which platforms could get confusing after a while! I like how they present info and appreciate they cover multiple platforms with some still being free!
A girl has to eat and Bob keeps raising park prices so a little appreciation for the information/entertainment provided is not out of line. I'm sure the ad budget is pretty bleak
I absolutely agree with both of these. Like I said, I appreciate every bit of information they give us for free. Just to be clear: I do not begrudge them keeping information behind a paywall; it makes perfect sense. I was just annoyed that I would get excited for a certain bit of info and then they would say it was on the patreon podcast. Just me being curmudgeonly 🙂
 

Disstevefan1

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Disstevefan1

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Yes. Let's forget about all the times a new attraction had been in testing for months and then slowly revealed to CMs, DVC, and APers to continue the testing while everyone else whined about it not being open yet even tho "it's working."
Totally agree. Disney is now skipping these steps and just opening. We cant have folks whining.

Folks forget how long Test Track was closed to test and adjust before it was opened to the public.

But then again, that was A LONG time ago. TWDC was a totally different company back then.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Totally agree. Disney is now skipping these steps and just opening. We cant have folks whining.

Folks forget how long Test Track was closed to test and adjust before it was opened to the public.

But then again, that was A LONG time ago. TWDC was a totally different company back then.
JoW was in months-long testing. As were TRON, Rat, and GotG.

So, some lights in the ground weren't tested verses a power washer. And Luminous didn't have months of full testing, because, you just can't have a full fireworks show going off every night a 1 AM for a couple of months.

Where "else" did Disney skip testing?
 

Disstevefan1

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JoW was in months-long testing. As were TRON, Rat, and GotG.

So, some lights in the ground weren't tested verses a power washer. And Luminous didn't have months of full testing, because, you just can't have a full fireworks show going off every night a 1 AM for a couple of months.

Where "else" did Disney skip testing?
You are right, Disney is perfect and always test everything completely.

Personally, I don't buy the pressure washer story. In my opinion what happened with the EPCOT world celebration gardens lights was poor sourcing and poor installation and a rush to complete whatever they were trying to do in building that center piece.

And you are right again, no level of testing was going to correct poor sourcing and poor installation and a rush to complete whatever they were trying to do there.

So, yes, while I do make jokes about testing, the failure of EPCOT world celebration Gardens lights had nothing to do with lack of testing.
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lazyboy97o

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You are right, Disney is perfect and always test everything completely.

Personally, I don't buy the pressure washer story. In my opinion what happened with the EPCOT world celebration gardens lights was poor sourcing and poor installation and a rush to complete whatever they were trying to do in building that center piece.

And you are right again, no level of testing was going to correct poor sourcing and poor installation and a rush to complete whatever they were trying to do there.

So, yes, while I do make jokes about testing, the failure of EPCOT world celebration Gardens lights had nothing to do with lack of testing.
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Why do you just make things up?
 

Disstevefan1

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Why do you just make things up?
Not sure what you mean.

Are opinions labeled as making things up these days?

In my opinion, I don't buy the pressure washer story.

In my opinion what happened with the EPCOT world celebration gardens lights was poor sourcing and poor installation and a rush to complete whatever they were trying to do in building that center piece.

I admit, no level of testing would have prevented this failure.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Not sure what you mean.

Are opinions labeled as making things up these days?

In my opinion, I don't buy the pressure washer story.

In my opinion what happened with the EPCOT world celebration gardens lights was poor sourcing and poor installation and a rush to complete whatever they were trying to do in building that center piece.

I admit, no level of testing would have prevented this failure.
You don’t buy the pressure washer story because it doesn’t match your preconceived “opinion” so based on nothing you’ve made up another cause that does fit what you want.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
You are right, Disney is perfect and always test everything completely.

Personally, I don't buy the pressure washer story. In my opinion what happened with the EPCOT world celebration gardens lights was poor sourcing and poor installation and a rush to complete whatever they were trying to do in building that center piece.

And you are right again, no level of testing was going to correct poor sourcing and poor installation and a rush to complete whatever they were trying to do there.

So, yes, while I do make jokes about testing, the failure of EPCOT world celebration Gardens lights had nothing to do with lack of testing.
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So, you provide just one example, based on.... refusing to believe credible inside info.

OK, that's one. Where else has Disney just not done any testing? Feel free to throw in more baseless opinions lacking any evidence. Oh, no... wait... you're just making a joke. So... sorry, we can't hold you to making a mistake, you were just *joking*. Hahaha.

Sorry for the confusion, didn't know whether to believe you were just giving your opinion or you were just joking.
 

Disstevefan1

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So, you provide just one example, based on.... refusing to believe credible inside info.

OK, that's one. Where else has Disney just not done any testing? Feel free to throw in more baseless opinions lacking any evidence. Oh, no... wait... you're just making a joke. So... sorry, we can't hold you to making a mistake, you were just *joking*. Hahaha.

Sorry for the confusion, didn't know whether to believe you were just giving your opinion or you were just joking.
You are 100 percent right. I will do better in the future to provide confirmed sources for my (opinions?) and yes, when bad things happen sometimes it is better to make jokes.

Let’s just chalk up what happened to the World Celebration garden lights to bad luck.

We cannot fault Disney in any way, even if it was simply poor communication and the area got accidentally pressure washed.

Even in that instance, I wouldn’t blame the person doing the actual pressure washing, I guess their supervisor or manager accidentally forgot to tell them NOT to pressure wash those particular areas, or the contractor accidentally forgot to tell Disney NOT to pressure wash those particular areas.

And you are right, had these lights not got accidentally pressure washed, they would have survived the typical Florida downpours.

It’s sad we will never know.
 

Rich Brownn

Well-Known Member
Totally agree. Disney is now skipping these steps and just opening. We cant have folks whining.

Folks forget how long Test Track was closed to test and adjust before it was opened to the public.

But then again, that was A LONG time ago. TWDC was a totally different company back then.
Universal has more than it share of opening things where testing was incomplete. Heck, nearly the entire park didn't work when USF opened. And then there was Hagrid's. So things happen to both companies
 

Disstevefan1

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Universal has more than it share of opening things where testing was incomplete. Heck, nearly the entire park didn't work when USF opened. And then there was Hagrid's. So things happen to both companies
I visited USF when it opened, I remembered the parking lot was right there where the arch is. We still have our opening year APs when they put your photo on it in our photo albums.

It was a long time ago, i can’t remember if anything was down, I know it was not everything.

But it was a long time ago and I was excited to be there so maybe I am biased in my memory.
 

Earlie the Pearlie

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I visited USF when it opened, I remembered the parking lot was right there where the arch is. We still have our opening year APs when they put your photo on it in our photo albums.

It was a long time ago, i can’t remember if anything was down, I know it was not everything.

But it was a long time ago and I was excited to be there so maybe I am biased in my memory.
“Kongfrontation, Earthquake: The Big One!, and Jaws were down for a large portion of the day. This led to the rides that were working – The Funtastic World of Hanna Barbera and the E.T. Adventure – shouldering massive demand.”
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Disstevefan1

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“Kongfrontation, Earthquake: The Big One!, and Jaws were down for a large portion of the day. This led to the rides that were working – The Funtastic World of Hanna Barbera and the E.T. Adventure – shouldering massive demand.”
From allears.net
I was not there at opening day. I do have fond memories of the original Kong, Jaws, Earthquake, Hanna Barbera. They were excellent.
 

Rich Brownn

Well-Known Member
I visited USF when it opened, I remembered the parking lot was right there where the arch is. We still have our opening year APs when they put your photo on it in our photo albums.

It was a long time ago, i can’t remember if anything was down, I know it was not everything.

But it was a long time ago and I was excited to be there so maybe I am biased in my memory.
When EPCOT opened on Oct 1, by noon every ride except the boat ride in Mexico had broken down (Spaceship Earth nearly injured guests when the cars unlocked on the downward path and swung around nearly throwing everyone out). Disney even had a large table hastily set up for refunds. Of course, the press weren't invited until the "Grand Opening" 3 weeks later :) As for Universal, besides the big 3 rides down, Hanna-Barbera went up and down all day. ET was up but the line was insane. There was a lot of very unhappy guests making scenes. I didn't care because you couldn't walk 10 feet without seeing someone famous.
 

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