Two Spirited Quickees...Imagination closing

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doctornick

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djlaosc said:
Another thought...

  1. The Great Movie Ride (difficult access while they remove the hat)
  2. Star Tours - The Adventures Continue
  3. Toy Story Midway Mania
  4. The Legend of Captain Jack Sparrow
  5. Walt Disney: One Man's Dream
  6. Voyage of the Little Mermaid (also rumoured to be replaced)
  7. The Magic of Disney Animation
  8. Disney Junior - Live on Stage!
  9. Rock 'n' Roller Coaster Starring Aerosmith
  10. The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror
  11. Fantasmic! (is it on every night?)


...Fastpass+ is going to be fun at DHS in 2015... ;)
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Yeah, I don't see how they are going to even effectively have FP+ in DHS when they roll it out. I mean, unless they just plan/expect the park to have attendance plummet such that people will be asking for FP+. Though to be fair, regarding the above list, I think by the time that 2015 rolls around, they'd actually have a replacement for BatB in the Theater of the Stars.

They should have been building something in Soundstage 1 and Sounds Dangerous a year ago. I don't understand why they'd be dragging their feet on that stuff given the dire need for attractions in that park.
 
Travel Junkie

Travel Junkie

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Pixiedustmaker said:
Al Lutz kinda slammed WDW fans by saying that WDW doesn't get the good attractions, the fans out east only get what they deserve. As I remember, he got some very negative comments on Miceage after that. He is implying that it is the westcoast annual passholders, like him, and his friends, who were 'rewarded' with Carsland and other recent additions because they have complained for years about standards at DLR, some picked up by major newspapers.

Well, I think a fuller picture is that DCA was bringing down the resort financially, and was being ridiculed by more people than just Miceage et al. No way that DCA 1.0 could hold a candle to today's DHS. So, Disney built Carsland on an expansion pad, and did a cosmetic refurb of Sunshine Plaza which turned it into BVS, and added one low capacity ride. Paradise Pier is still there, albeit with a fresh coat of paint, though some of the carny attractions are gone, it is still a 45 minute wait for a turn in the ferris wheel.

Supposedly, Disney learned a lesson with Carsland, and that was that you build heavily themed lands, instead of just dropping down an attraction that doesn't fit in its land. I can't see how on earth 1/2 or even 3/4 of Carsland would be placemaking, if there is no Cadillac Mountain range, then it ain't Radiator Springs. Gotta build all the character's shops/establishments too. This isn't like a Star Wars addition were nobody has a good idea what it will look like, this is a recreation from a specific film, Cars, and Carsland has to be true to that.

DHS is a hard nut to crack, the Hollywood theme is everywhere, but I kinda think Disney learned their lesson, and they're not going to try little stand-alone projects.

Look at Avatarland, that is placemaking. NFL also attempted to produce a unified land theme, (though there are sub-lands and I don't think this worked very successfuly from a thematic standpoint.)
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Trying not to start a east coast west coast war, but there is some validity to Lutz's comments about WDW. I don't agree with him saying that they get what they deserve, but TDO has a history of not updating attractions as often as they should and cutting corners and raising prices anywhere they can. Yet the people still come in droves. That would not fly out west with such a huge local and AP presence. Epcot would never remain virtually unchanged for 25 years if it were at DLR. The locals would stop going, forcing Disney's hand. DCA was crumbling financially because the audience refused to spend money there. People have a history of going to WDW no matter what it does, so there is less of a desire to re-invest because they don't have to. DLR visitors have a history of taking their business across the street so to speak when things get stale or corners begin to get cut.

I bet if you flip flopped DCA 1.0 and DHS's locations, DHS would have been a financial failure while DCA 1.0 would have gotten DHS type numbers. I'm not saying that DCA 1.0 was better than DHS, but DHS even in its current form would not be a success when you have Disneyland across the plaza. While not all of current DCA is equal to Disneyland, parts of it do, which is why you are seeing the huge attendance gains and closer to a 50/50 split between the parks. Current DHS has no lands that can compare to Disneyland.

Until very recently, families spent a week at Disney and rarely if ever left property. They would go to whatever theme park was on Disney property because they were taking a Disney vacation, not an Orlando vacation. Universal has begun to change that view, which is why we are talking about a DHS makeover to begin with. The days of DHS and AK riding the coattails of MK are coming to an end. It sounds like Disney realizes this.
 
George

George

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baymenxpac said:
indeed. the lights are donezo. and truthfully? that's fine, provided they don't skimp on christmas decorations elsewhere in the parks this year.

as far as imagination....i might just throw a party if we actually get something to replace the atrocity that's there now.
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Christmas decorations have been skimped on to a greater and greater degree with each passing holiday season. I figure in 5 years there will be one garland on Main Street and the G-Flo gingerbread house which will still exist because upper management is unaware of it.
 
unkadug

unkadug

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George said:
Christmas decorations have been skimped on to a greater and greater degree with each passing holiday season. I figure in 5 years there will be one garland on Main Street and the G-Flo gingerbread house which will still exist because upper management is unaware of it.
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And the old Christmas warehouses will be used to store all those old FastPass machines and their unused tickets.
 
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Pixiedustmaker

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Virtual Insanity said:
TDO has a history of not updating attractions as often as they should and cutting corners and raising prices anywhere they can. Yet the people still come in droves. That would not fly out west with such a huge local and AP presence.

. . .

DLR visitors have a history of taking their business across the street so to speak when things get stale or corners begin to get cut.
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There was a time when upkeep at Disneyland wasn't very good, probably about two decades ago. Look what you have today: the Alice in Wonderland queue has had a "temporary-permanent" scaffolding on for years . . . but it is true DLR has a large local/AP presence.

Virtual Insanity said:
I bet if you flip flopped DCA 1.0 and DHS's locations, DHS would have been a financial failure while DCA 1.0 would have gotten DHS type numbers. I'm not saying that DCA 1.0 was better than DHS, but DHS even in its current form would not be a success when you have Disneyland across the plaza.
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I would respectfully disagree . . . it is *so* easy to get a park hopper and spend time in DCA if you're already going to Disneyland. DHS is a much longer walk from Epcot, most tourists take the bus I would guess. So, I don't think that DHS's isolation helps it much, though it obviously is on property.

Virtual Insanity said:
Until very recently, families spent a week at Disney and rarely if ever left property. They would go to whatever theme park was on Disney property because they were taking a Disney vacation, not an Orlando vacation. Universal has begun to change that view, which is why we are talking about a DHS makeover to begin with. The days of DHS and AK riding the coattails of MK are coming to an end. It sounds like Disney realizes this.
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Attendance is up at WDW, 2.2% but not as much as the average increase in theme park attendance in U.S., which I think is closer to 3% (though obviously Carsland boosts that number for reason not due to the improving economy).

The view in Orlando has been that a rising tide lifts all boats, more tourists to Universal means more potential customers who might spend some time at WDW, doesn't seem to have killed business at all at WDW. WDW just hit an all time attendance record last Easter . . . sorry, but I haven't seen anything official, news or otherwise, that would indicate that WDW is being hurt by Uni, (though Burbank may ponder the future market in Orlando, they've put the majority of their cash in major theme park investments into Hong Kong/Shanghai, where Disney had to invest a ton of cash . . .), and with NFL and Avatarland, hard to argue that WDW is being neglected . . .
 
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Admiral01

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DisneyExpert said:
What's with all the Phineas and Ferb hate? Have half of you even ever seen the show? I'm 26 and I think it's one of the funniest, most imaginative, and cleverly written television shows I've seen in a long time. It's certainly Disney Channel's only redeeming value at this point. While I might not necessarily agree with putting the show into the Imagination pavilion, I can certainly see how they would be a great fit.

The show is still in the middle of its fourth season, with a feature film slated to hit theatres next year. I really doubt they're going anywhere anytime soon...
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It isn't hate for the characters, rather it is hatred for anyone thinking that P&F fit in the Imagination Pavilion in EPCOT's Future World. Being the "redeeming value" of the Disney Channel doesn't exactly make it sound that great, nor does that make it a good fit for a long term entertainment solution to a theme park. That said, It does seem to be a cute show that my little cousins like. It does NOT fit, however, in the Imagination Pavilion or anywhere else at EPCOT.
 
Thrill

Thrill

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Virtual Insanity said:
Trying not to start a east coast west coast war, but there is some validity to Lutz's comments about WDW. I don't agree with him saying that they get what they deserve, but TDO has a history of not updating attractions as often as they should and cutting corners and raising prices anywhere they can. Yet the people still come in droves. That would not fly out west with such a huge local and AP presence. Epcot would never remain virtually unchanged for 25 years if it were at DLR. The locals would stop going, forcing Disney's hand. DCA was crumbling financially because the audience refused to spend money there. People have a history of going to WDW no matter what it does, so there is less of a desire to re-invest because they don't have to. DLR visitors have a history of taking their business across the street so to speak when things get stale or corners begin to get cut.
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Except it almost did.

From what I understand, the period from the late 90's pretty much right up until the 50th was a dark time for Disneyland. Maintenance suffered, DCA happened, etc. They managed to bring Disneyland up to par for the 50th, and waited a few more years before DCA's expansion really picked up.

So even if WDW had the same visitor structure, we're more or less where Disneyland was a little more than a decade ago.
 
sloppy.joey

sloppy.joey

Active Member
George said:
Christmas decorations have been skimped on to a greater and greater degree with each passing holiday season. I figure in 5 years there will be one garland on Main Street and the G-Flo gingerbread house which will still exist because upper management is unaware of it.
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Actually they said they were working on decorations for new fantasyland so i can't wait to see that this year! :)
 
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pheneix

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El Grupo said:
I appreciate the benefit of recycling facilities. Really no reason to start from scratch if an existing building or attraction can be appropriately repurposed.

However, it is a bit concerning to know that the Avatar would be a larger project when Star Wars is, IMO, by far the more valuable, recognizable and marketable franchise. The Avatar attraction(s) may represent some of the best work ever by WDI. But, SW, like Potter, has a built-in audience that is just waiting to immerse themselves in a land and buy merchandise galore. The product will probably be a bigger draw.

Just seems that Disney would be throwing equal or greater resources at a SW area alone, with more being set aside for the rest of DHS.

Just my $.02.
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I don't disagree with any particular point. Avatar was conceptualized and developed in a time before the Lucasfilm deal. What is done is done and they committed their capital to Avatar well before Star Wars came into the picture. Much in the same way Orlando was conned into dropping $2 billion into NextGen when Disney's two biggest IP deals (Marvel and Star Wars) were yet to be announced.

Maybe some day, somewhere, a Disney park will do Star Wars justice. There is always Japan.
 
Californian Elitist

Californian Elitist

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Thrill said:
Except it almost did.

From what I understand, the period from the late 90's pretty much right up until the 50th was a dark time for Disneyland. Maintenance suffered, DCA happened, etc. They managed to bring Disneyland up to par for the 50th, and waited a few more years before DCA's expansion really picked up.

So even if WDW had the same visitor structure, we're more or less where Disneyland was a little more than a decade ago.
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Virtual was referring to this time, now.

The nineties for the park was a result of very poor leadership. DL fans have always been demanding, though (can be annoying, sometimes). Ever heard of the Light Magic incident?
 
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Pixiedustmaker

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raven24 said:
Virtual was referring to this time, now.

The nineties for the park was a result of very poor leadership. DL fans have always been demanding, though (can be annoying, sometimes). Ever heard of the Light Magic incident?
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Do you know who the ringleaders were who cattle called everybody to storm City Hall?
 

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