News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

[lazyboy97o]

Martin has already posted past plans that show the pond filled in. Like they have done elsewhere. They shift wetlands, ponds and waterways all the time.

Not that I think trees will be the eventual solution. But it could very well be a stop gap. See the Galaxy's Edge berm for the latest of Imagineering's answers to such problems.

You don’t need to prove to me that you don’t know a thing about construction.

 

[RSoxNo1]

For me it’s not how much more thrilling Velocicoaster is than Tron. It’s how much it is better integrated into its space than
Tron.

When they first announced Velocicoaster, I thought it would look incredibly out of place next to the welcome center and that a rollercoaster in the Jurassic park section would stick out like a sore thumb. But not only does it not distract from the welcome center, it actually frames it incredibly well and brings attention to a previously ignored building:
View attachment 559628Not to mention how well themed the raptor paddock blends in with the land:
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Tron, while the canopy I have no doubt will be incredibly beautiful, has no regard for the space around it. The canopy will be obscured from much of Tomorrowland, while the show building will have its whole @ss sticking out when viewed from Storybook Circus with no effort from Disney to hide it:
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Universal took time and effort to design and integrate Velocicoaster. Disney copied Tron from Shanghai and plopped it down in a plot without much regard for sight lines. And it’s taking more than twice as long to build as Velocicoaster. As much as I know I’ll enjoy Tron when it opens, the lack of attention to detail from Disney is completely unacceptable.

How would it look with a 5 story lighting rig and 4 breaching metal whales in front of it?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

How would it look with a 5 story lighting rig and 4 breaching metal whales in front of it?

Get this guy an Instagram account and an imagineering badge!!!!

 

[marni1971]

Martin has already posted past plans that show the pond filled in.

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[jt04]

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Perhaps it was someone else. Wasn't there at least consideration of using the area beyond the Fantasyland train station as an expansion area filling in the pond? I could have sworn you posted drawings and talked about it even recently. Perhaps it was Lee. Or another insider.

 

[jt04]

Get this guy an Instagram account and an imagineering badge!!!!

He is the magical forums' best Armchair Imagineer if we don't count me.

 

[mergatroid]

It’s the sort of thing that would have made more sense when the tracks were ripped up so you could bring in larger trees and equipment. It’s also a rather narrow patch of land that you’d probably want to be more sizable to better accommodate larger trees.

Cheers Lazyboy

 

[marni1971]

Perhaps it was someone else. Wasn't there at least consideration of using the area beyond the Fantasyland train station as an expansion area filling in the pond? I could have sworn you posted drawings and talked about it even recently. Perhaps it was Lee. Or another insider.

I talked about a 1980-ish plan to build south of Space Mountain. Perhaps that was it.

 

[jt04]

I talked about a 1980-ish plan to build south of Space Mountain. Perhaps that was it.

Yes, that's right. And I'm pretty sure someone else showed a diagram where they would have filled in north of Tron. Possibly from early days. Seems entirely possible if they wanted to build there. Similar to Splash and Space Mountain.

 

[danlb_2000]

Yes, that's right. And I'm pretty sure someone else showed a diagram where they would have filled in north of Tron. Possibly from early days. Seems entirely possible if they wanted to build there. Similar to Splash and Space Mountain.

Considering that they just reconfigured all the drainage in that area for Tron, it's not likely that there are any plans for expansion in that area in the near future.

 

[jt04]

Considering that they just reconfigured all the drainage in that area for Tron, it's not likely that there are any plans for expansion in that area in the near future.

Agreed 100%

After further research some random observations....

It is amazing how close the pond is to the train station. But A Lot of land potentially available.
Dumbo created more problems for Tomorrwland expansion than TRON. IMO. It is as if someone was drawing a line in the sand with that structure.

I would favor removing the speedway for the right concept. Something to take Tomorrowland to the next level. The speedway concept could easily be reimagined at another park. (Cars?)

There are huge areas on either side of Space Mountain. Not to mention the area behind CoP. Room for a couple decades worth of potential upgrades.

And I'm not even counting Stitch, laugh floor, and buzz spaces.

 

[matt9112]

Considering that they just reconfigured all the drainage in that area for Tron, it's not likely that there are any plans for expansion in that area in the near future.

I dont see alot of capx in the future. But thats just imho i think people are going to be clamoring to get back to normal so there will be no reason to spend cash as TWDC.

 

[Ripken10]

I talked about a 1980-ish plan to build south of Space Mountain. Perhaps that was it.

UNCgolf said:
I missed the parking lot to the south -- don't see any other spot, though! Looks like there are existing buildings everywhere else other than south of Space Mountain if they could fill in that pond (I would assume they couldn't, but who knows).

It looks like there could be room for two things in that parking lot area, though.

marni1971 said:
Ideally Buzz would be rethemed to something better and of higher quality (or just higher quality) and a new build would go in the car park. Capacity and all that. But with the SGE mess we know that won’t happen.

I’ve trotted this out before too from 1980:
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[jt04]

I dont see alot of capx in the future. But thats just imho i think people are going to be clamoring to get back to normal so there will be no reason to spend cash as TWDC.

My fear is that the reservation system will morph into a sort of 'engineered demand' which would make investments less of a requirement...potentially. In theory. But perhaps Epic Universe will force more investment.

My theory is they have to add new compelling content regularly or risk decline.

 

[matt9112]

My fear is that the reservation system will morph into a sort of 'engineered demand' which would make investments less of a requirement...potentially. In theory. But perhaps Epic Universe will force more investment.

My theory is they have to add new compelling content regularly or risk decline.

There's no doubt universal has gotten so much better at competing but there still so much smaller in scale and cant milk nostalgia as much. I hooe epic universe also forces disney to start to invest more.

 

[jt04]

Thanks @Ripken10 Now I remember. It was a post where @marni1971 was asked about a very old drawing and he replied he thought it might have been for an original Poppins ride. I believe it was outside the tracks. Good to have that resolved

 

[marni1971]

Thanks @Ripken10 Now I remember. It was a post where @marni1971 was asked about a very old drawing and he replied he thought it might have been for an original Poppins ride. I believe it was outside the tracks. Good to have that resolved

Poppins was inside the tracks, not outside. The outside the tracks south of SM was unknown. A 1992 variant was inside the tracks.

Now it’s resolved.

 

[jt04]

Poppins was inside the tracks, not outside. The outside the tracks south of SM was unknown. A 1992 variant was inside the tracks.

Now it’s resolved.

Do you have that drawing? It would be nice to have a version with labels for posterity.

 

[marni1971]

Do you have that drawing? It would be nice to have a version with labels for posterity.

Both are unlabelled sadly.

Even TWDA doesn’t know what the building next to 20K was.

 

[larryz]

Poppins was inside the tracks, not outside. The outside the tracks south of SM was unknown. A 1992 variant was inside the tracks.

Now it’s resolved.

If by "resolved" you mean "moved to Epcot then cancelled," yeah...