News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

[marni1971]

It would have looked ridiculous for the design they were going for with Space Mountain to have only done partial theming.

Originally they did. Then they realised their mistake and corrected it.

Tron is a very different design

It is. One designed to be seen from the front only. Whoever approved this in this location needs to go back to the Baxter Hench school of design.

I love both films. I love both scores. But attraction issues aside, IMHO this is in the wrong place. And it’s all too apparent.

 

[Giss Neric]

I'm just saying there has to be a way to do both. Have a coaster that high thrilling and high intensity with high level theming. The Mummy at Universal does a decent job of it. Outside of making attractions everyone can ride, why can't Disney do something similar?

Also you have to consider sightlines. Ever wonder why Disney coasters are mostly indoors or inside a mountain, it's cause they don't wanna ruin sightlines cause it ruins the immersion. Dollywood is one example of a great theme park like Disney but all you see are rollercoaster tracks everywhere.

But If ever Disney builds a fifth gate, I want it to be a thrill park like Cedar Point of Magic Mountain but well themed.

 

[Giss Neric]

Its probably why I don't go that often any more. Last time I was in Orlando I spent my week at SeaWorld and Busch Gardens as their coasters are more of a draw for me. My thinking is while me body can handle the G-forces right now I will take advantage of getting as much in as I can. I can always do Disney when my child gets to the age she will remember it.

I'm totally you but unfortunately I have a lot in my immediate and extended family who are on the "older" side and can't ride thrill rides so they most likely will want to go to Disney cause they will be contented just by walking around, shopping, eating and watching fireworks. I also have some younger folks but it's either they get motion sickness easily or hates bumpy rough rides.

 

[_caleb]

I'm totally you but unfortunately I have a lot in my immediate and extended family who are on the "older" side and can't ride thrill rides so they most likely will want to go to Disney cause they will be contented just by walking around, shopping, eating and watching fireworks. I also have some younger folks but it's either they get motion sickness easily or hates bumpy rough rides.

Sounds like you know a lot of people who would still go to Disney parks even if they did build a more intense roller coaster.

 

[Josh Damaro Stan (Harvey)]

Tron WILL NOT open fall of 2021. The exterior will be completed to clean up the area (still tons of work to be done). December will end the construction on this project and it will be suspended until October 2021. The outdoor canopies will continue to go up during the winter and into 2021. Depending on how the economy and attendance goes construction will pick back up fall of 2021. Plan on Spring/Summer 2022 for an opening.

Sorry if this Question has been asked before but if Tron is Stopping construction next month and (and not be complete until 2022) does this mean that the Railroad will remain closed until 2022 as well Or will the Railroad still be able to reopen in 2021?

 

[GimpYancIent]

Sorry if this Question has been asked before but if Tron is Stopping construction next month and (and not be complete until 2022) does this mean that the Railroad will remain closed until 2022 as well Or will the Railroad still be able to reopen in 2021?

Nooooooo! If anything the imaginEars need to find a solution to completing the MK train track laying and resume operations.

 

[Josh Damaro Stan (Harvey)]

Nooooooo! If anything the imaginEars need to find a solution to completing the MK train track laying and resume operations.

100% agreed. If They can't relay the tracks in the TRON area then the least they should do is relay the tracks from Main Street to New fantasyland (I think those tracks are being relayed too but I'm not quite sure) and run 1 (or 2) trains in a shuttle system.
Train 1: Fantasyland to Frontierland
(Possible) Train 2: Main Street to Frontierland. If 2 trains can be run in a shuttle then one of the trains (Possibly MS to frontier) would have to wait for the fantasyland train to clear Frontierland Station. If passengers wanted to continue to fantasyland from Main Street (Or vice Versa) then they would have to change at frontierland and wait for the other train.

If a 2 train shuttle system isn't possible then Disney should at least reopen the Railroad on a Frontierland to fantasyland shuttle and reopen the rest of the route once TRON is far enough complete to allow the Railroad to resume Grand Circle Tour Operations again

 

[_caleb]

Maybe they'll go ahead and install the track in those corrugated pipes (the kind they use for train tunnels) so the trains can run during the remainder of construction.

 

[JoeCamel]

Maybe they'll go ahead and install the track in those corrugated pipes (the kind they use for train tunnels) so the trains can run during the remainder of construction.

Take you on a tour of the sewer?

 

[UNCgolf]

Sounds like you know a lot of people who would still go to Disney parks even if they did build a more intense roller coaster.

I can't imagine anyone would quit going to Disney if they built a really intense coaster.

The issue for Disney is what I said above -- it's not going to drive attendance for them (one big coaster isn't enough to compete with a Six Flags, much less somewhere like Cedar Fair) nor is it going to really help with capacity (it would help some, but too many people wouldn't be able to ride). I think absent one of those two things, they're not going to do it because it won't make business sense.

 

[JoeCamel]

I can't imagine anyone would quit going to Disney if they built a really intense coaster.

The issue for Disney is what I said above -- it's not going to drive attendance for them (one big coaster isn't enough to compete with a Six Flags, much less somewhere like Cedar Fair) nor is it going to really help with capacity (it would help some, but too many people wouldn't be able to ride). I think absent one of those two things, they're not going to do it because it won't make business sense.

Right, they will build what they think will give the greatest number of their guests (remember their demo) the greatest satisfaction for the money Disney spends. A hyper is not that ride.

 

[UNCgolf]

Right, they will build what they think will give the greatest number of their guests (remember their demo) the greatest satisfaction for the money Disney spends. A hyper is not that ride.

The only reason they might even consider it is it that building a big, outdoor, intense coaster is much cheaper than the kind of rides they normally build. Assuming they didn't try to theme it heavily, which would be hard to do with that type of coaster anyways.

I just don't see it happening.

 

[tirian]

I actually agree with this! (Look at us, coming together in agreement!) While I know Disney likes to avoid rides that don’t appeal to the entire family, I think WDI could really make something special if they tried something more “intense.”

The problem is that without heavy modification, a coaster doesn’t lend itself very well to theming. The track itself is probably the biggest challenge. How do you hide the track? Disney typically just hides it in a dark building. And if you don’t hide it, you’ve got to theme it as something other than a roller coaster track. Disney’s already done themes that actually use tracks: mine cars, race cars, runaway trains, bobsleds, etc. But those aren’t going to get you something “extreme” with rolls and loops and such. So that leaves heavy modification of the ride system just to hide it enough to tell as story and make it unique.

Plus, the gigacoasters are too tall (can you imagine Disney trying to build a warehouse to house The Intimidator 305?)!

It could work at the Studios or DCA.

 

[tirian]

You can’t do the SFX outdoors that they want to do. Also it can operate in rain.

It would have looked ridiculous for the design they were going for with Space Mountain to have only done partial theming. Tron is a very different design. I just don’t understand why everyone keeps panning this attraction. I have been on it in Shanghai and it is fantastic. I guarantee most people who are criticizing it have not actually experienced it. The sight lines are WORSE in Shanghai and even include enormous power lines. I’m all for good sight lines to the max enter possible INSIDE the theme park. But if worrying about it from OUTSIDE the park prevents a kick posterior attraction from being built, that is not a win.

I wouldn’t use Shanghai as an example of sightlines, scale, placemaking, or placement.

 

[UNCgolf]

It could work at the Studios or DCA.

I don't think it would work at DHS. Definitely not with the original theme, but probably not now either with the themed lands they've pivoted to. They'd certainly have to hide any views of it from inside Galaxy's Edge, and it could limit their ability to build another such land elsewhere in the park.

It'd probably work at DCA, though. They already have a big visible coaster there.

 

[_caleb]

It could work at the Studios or DCA.

Have you seen the Incredicoaster? I'd call that a miss. And let's not forget the two Goofy "coasters." At least Primeval Whirl and California Screaming were "roller coaster" themed roller coasters.

Themed tracks:
Matterhorn: bobsled runs
BTMRRs, Everest: railroad tracks
RSR/TT2.0: highways
7DMT, Indiana Jones (Paris): mine train tracks

Space Mountain, RnR: hide the tracks in indoor darkness

TRON: neither of these!

The coasters that don't use either of these two methods stick out as being beneath the theming standards of a Disney park (in my opinion, which is obviously correct).

 

[doctornick]

Originally they did. Then they realised their mistake and corrected it.

It is. One designed to be seen from the front only. Whoever approved this in this location needs to go back to the Baxter Hench school of design.

That’s the thing I don’t get really. Seems to me that all the “problems” would be solved if they simply would theme the gravity building for Tron. They easily could have come with some futuristic “grid” look that could be harmonious with the rest of TL. And while I’m sure it wouldn’t be cheap, how much more would it really be compared to the current cost?

And it goes for Shanghai as well which also has the building being glaring when not looking straight on.

That being said, I do think the canopy looks cool and will enhance the kinetics of TL

 

[tirian]

Have you seen the Incredicoaster? I'd call that a miss. And let's not forget the two Goofy "coasters." At least Primeval Whirl and California Screaming were "roller coaster" themed roller coasters.

Themed tracks:
Matterhorn: bobsled runs
BTMRRs, Everest: railroad tracks
RSR/TT2.0: highways
7DMT, Indiana Jones (Paris): mine train tracks

Space Mountain, RnR: hide the tracks in indoor darkness

TRON: neither of these!

The coasters that don't use either of these two methods stick out as being beneath the theming standards of a Disney park (in my opinion, which is obviously correct).

You’re forgetting that California Screamin’ worked fairly well in Paradise Pier before being slapped with clumsy, awkwardly placed static figures. A steel coaster like the Hulk could also work at DCA because the overall atmosphere is lousy as soon as you step out of CarsLand.

I’m judging this based on the park’s existing state-of-being, not on ideal Disney standards.

At DHS, the gravity buildings don’t matter.

But do any of these belong in Castle parks? No.

 

[J4546]

shoot, i like pixar pier and think its pretty well themed imo. I also like the soarin/grizzly peak area a lot, as well as cars land. In fact the only part of DCA i find pretty bland is the hollywoodland part in the north east corner of the park.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Dollywood is one example of a great theme park like Disney but all you see are rollercoaster tracks everywhere.

You do?