cjkeating
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I've been picked out as a two on both Space and TSMM before.
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News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom
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The problem is this, Iger has mentioned several times that overcrowding is an issue with guest satisfaction. And before the pandemic, the Magic Kingdom was certainly overcrowded. So in order to raise people's appreciation for Magic Kingdom, the overcrowding needs to be dealt with.
Putting more E tickets in Magic Kingdom right now will only exacerbate the overcrowding problem. So, if Disney wants people to think that the Magic Kingdom is the best park, it needs to deal with the overcrowding.
The stick approach is to keep raising prices, or to put in an attendance cap like we have now during the pandemic. The carrot approach is to put more attractions and e-tickets in the other three parks to draw people out of the Magic Kingdom.
CastAStone
5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
Or to build a new resort in Iowa.
UpAllNight
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Disney seems to aim high (not always getting it right mind) or not at all with additions these days. I cant ever see them create rides like Pinocchio, Alice in Wonderland, Roger Rabbit, but it’s these rides which really elevate Disneyland as an experience above MK. They’re not headliners but the quantity of them really adds to the day.
MK is many lower level rides short of Disneyland, but let’s not forget Disneyland also has Star Tours, Indiana Jones, Rise of the Resistance, Smugglers Run, and the new Mickey ride is on the way, so it’s also a number of E ticket attractions up (let’s not debate if they’re all E’s again, it’s my interpretation only!)
I’m really not offended by Tron...a coaster next to a coaster. As an overall resort, Disneyworld is still a few short of what I would expect it to have. I think Animal Kingdom could benefit from another high quality coaster.
I think Tron will be a very welcome addition to MK.
MK is many lower level rides short of Disneyland, but let’s not forget Disneyland also has Star Tours, Indiana Jones, Rise of the Resistance, Smugglers Run, and the new Mickey ride is on the way, so it’s also a number of E ticket attractions up (let’s not debate if they’re all E’s again, it’s my interpretation only!)
I’m really not offended by Tron...a coaster next to a coaster. As an overall resort, Disneyworld is still a few short of what I would expect it to have. I think Animal Kingdom could benefit from another high quality coaster.
I think Tron will be a very welcome addition to MK.
SilentWindODoom
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Well, I specifically was speaking on final landscaping and how it will grow in a year or two, but jeez you were doing similar work to what I did recently a year and more ago. Are you doing that in Sketchup? It's quite nice. I can't say that it would have saved time to have come across that, though, because it would have necessitated reading the previous 320 or so pages it probably would have been a net loss for time. I just popped into the last page at the time I first checked in and found things a bit doom and gloom.
The fact of the matter is that Magic Kingdom is the crown jewel of the Vacation Kingdom of the world. They really could let it go to pot and still rake in the most international guests on strength of brand for the next quarter century. I do feel that it can't remain stagnant and hope they continue to refresh and fix things, and I find this may help balance the two mountains and Pirates on the other side of the park, but they're slammed and they don't need to draw guests to MK. They need to spread the wealth.
And I personally absolutely love the World Showcase, but with a low attraction count it's not going to appeal to everyone. I wish more held it in as high esteem as you when the Brazil thread was going and so many people were attraction or death about it.
Marc Davis Fan
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Right, that's true.
In a perfect world, they could add lands to MK (like they did at DL), which would increase park capacity and improve crowd flow. But of course, we shouldn't expect anything at the budget-level of a land to be considered anytime soon...
Indeed.
It's also good to remember that MK has to live as part of a four park complex. WDW is intended to be a week long vacation with guests visiting all the parks. The other Disney parks around the world only have one or two parks, and so, they cram all the rides into those one or two parks. WDW purposefully spreads the rides out.
The problem is that guests vote with their feet and the majority of those feet wind up in MK. One, because it's the most family friendly. And, two, it has the most rides... 27 compared to the nine rides in each of the other three (give or take one or two now and then).
DLR has about the same number of rides as WDW, but they're packed into two parks (~39 in DL, ~20 in CA).
This means that in WDW, the other three parks were meant to be attractive because of their other non-ride attractions:
- For Epcot, a permanent world's fair with national expos;
- for DAK, a zoo;
- for DHS, a studios tour experience and live shows.
This is why, if I were King of Theme Parks, I'd be constantly adding more rides to 'the other three' until they're able to drain people from MK before upgrading MK with more attractions.
doctornick
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I certainly agree that DL is overall better than MK bolstered by more E tickets and a bunch more C ticket type rides. However one thing that often gets overlooked or ignored is that MK has a bunch more shows than DL - Country Bears, HoP, Philharmagic, Laugh Floor, Carousel of Progress - that help to complete that park. They tend to fill the role that the FL dark rides do in DL.
UNCgolf
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Animal Kingdom has far more capacity than you see listed on the MDE app. The two animal trails and the pathways around Discovery Island alone should count as major additional attractions. I think it's the park that needs additions the least at the moment -- that doesn't mean it doesn't need them, of course, just that EPCOT and DHS need them more.
EPCOT gets similar help from the World Showcase pavilions, where people can spend hours just wandering around and exploring. It's not at the level of Animal Kingdom, though, and Animal Kingdom has multiple headliner rides that dwarf any attraction in EPCOT outside of Spaceship Earth. When Disney butchered Future World, they didn't just decrease ride quality and capacity, they also eliminated multiple areas that helped give guests something to do -- most of the original pavilions had shows and other activities beyond the ride itself, and of course Communicore/Innoventions also had plenty to see in the early days.
That's why, despite all the recent additions, DHS is still dragging behind the other parks. Beyond the fact that those additions were mostly replacements for older attractions instead of actually adding capacity, the park has very little to do outside the actual attractions themselves. Galaxy's Edge is really the only place someone can spend time just exploring, but there's nowhere near enough there to turn DHS into a full day park. If you're not in line for an attraction, riding/viewing an attraction, or eating, there's basically nothing to do.
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A problem is joe public wants ridez nowerdays.
UNCgolf
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Or at least that's what Disney believes.
Marc Davis Fan
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Yep, and Disney has to take some of the blame for this, having marketed themselves using images of Fantasyland rides for so many decades that, to much of the public, "Disney World" is thought to be a family amusement park with a castle.
That's the marketing which always worked in the short term, but at the expense of long-term perceptions of what makes Disney significant and special.
Honestly, if you tell the average person that Disney is about the unique experience of being believably transported to other times and places, a substantial percentage will say "I never thought of it that way."
We took first timers a few years ago. They’d only been to amusement parks previously. I had to go to great lengths to explain some of Orlando’s best attractions travel at less than 5mph and don’t go upside down.
wannabeBelle
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So this!!! I live within an easy drive of a bunch of pretty impressive amusement parks and havent been to any of them in years. The things that make Disney special for me arent the rides exclusively. The atmosphere, the entertainment, and the great Cast Members who really bring the Magic to life. The rides are nice and all, but there is just so much more to it!!! Marie
Brer Panther
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They could also add more smaller, D- or C-Ticket attractions to the Magic Kingdom to help with capacity. I think.
doctornick
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They can always build some capacity adding attractions to MK while also adding larger E tickets to the other parks
(Y’know like the Main St Theater...)
I would guess that that's a two-edged sword. While adding ride capacity without drawing in crowds specifically for that new ride, it would, OTOH, reinforce that MK is the park with "all the rides."