I agree. The argument that they should have been given a warning first is weak and ignores the fact that the warning was included in the terms and conditions of their admission when they purchased their passes. These companies knew they were violating Disney's rules and that's all that matters.
Seems like easy due diligence to check that you’re not breaking any rules and if you know that you are, you can’t act surprised when those rules are enforced
I'm sure Disney was within its rights. One guide has been doing this for 12 years, another since 1996. They were known to CM. They didn't collect money on Disney property. AFAIK Disney didn't say anything. They thought Disney was sort of OK
This is just not true. There is no data whatsoever to back up the assertion that lightning lanes are longer now at WDW then they were using fastpass. Disney won the last lawsuit (and deserved to). ADA requires a reasonable accommodation but when that accommodation makes it so that the park experience is degraded for everyone else, that accommodation is unreasonable.
How else would they do it? Send deputies to their homes?
DAS started in 2013, replacing the Guest Assistance Card system.
"Free Speech" is a restriction on what the government can do. If WDW wanted to they could absolutely trespass Len Testa tomorrow, for any reason they wanted, or no reason at all, including anything that he has said. That said, clearly these private tours interfere with Disney's business (and it seems like a lot of them were cheating the DAS system if you read into that article) in a way that business like touringplans are not.
That’s why I continue to say this is tricky. It’s not because I lack intelligence or comprehension skills, it’s because it is, in fact, tricky and we don’t have all the facts.
Not sure the Treehouse is.
I don’t think they do - in California there is often long line for DAS in fantasyland attractions because the narrow switchbacks can’t accommodate any wheelchairs.Not sure the Treehouse is.
Obviously all new queues have to be, but to what extent do they have to retrofit queues to be ADA compliant?
Thank you for this analysis. Also, if anyone is interested, the briefs from the 2014 lawsuit contain a huge amount of data analysis if I recall, and Disney's own data was basically that (at the time) DAS was a **huge** proportion of the people using the fastpass lines, likely at an even higher percentage than what Len counted. It's part of the reason they had to abandon the original DAS system of basically unlimited fastpass entry and move to a return time model. The current model appears pretty broken as well.
Call or send an e-mail “we are going to begin enforcing this rule, if you arrive with guests other than friends / family you will be trespassed - thank you for your understanding and cooperation.”
There are 300 homes total in Golden Oak. I can't find reliable information on how many Club 33 members there are, but I'm going to bet it's not very many. There's no way they are having any kind noticeable impact on the lightning lanes. It's all DAS.
Because the article linked in the OP strongly suggests it.
The only fact that matters is that they were engaged in unauthorized activity. You keep getting gruff because you keep trying to muddy it and claim that’s not some widely understood issue.
It's not tricky. It's spelled out in the terms of admission. That they claim to have spoken with some unspecified WDW employees is irrelevant unless they provide a name and title. The CM working the tapstile at the gate or attraction isn't authorized to grant such exemptions to the rules and many are unlikely to know better so they don't tell them know either out of fear of being wrong and getting in trouble or out of apathy. If they had gone through proper channels then they would have a letter or email verifying that they had been authorized to engage in the prohibited activity. The only reason to ask someone in a low-level position in a situation like this is because you don't want to invite attention from someone high enough to stop you.
So what's to stop them from then claiming, "These are my friends," or "This is family visiting from out of town," when stopped at the gate and then the argument shifts to, "Disney can't prove that they're NOT friends!"
