Trespassing third parties

[King Panda 77]

DAS has been around longer and im also referring to their disability accommodations. Heck i recall them handing us a return time on a business looking card with the ride on it.

 

[rtmachine]

I thought Disney said in the last year or 2 that those caught abusing or lying about their Das needs would get a lifetime ban...is that still a thing?

 

[DisneyHead123]

Regarding vloggers… I imagine Disney’s relationship with them has to be far more complicated than 3rd party tour guides. They probably give far more to Disney than they take, in the form of free advertising and social media buzz. I would think the only real downside from Disney’s perspective is that they might annoy park goers.

 

[Splash4eva]

Guess it was lol

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

If society refuses to acknowledge and punish those who abuse accommodations for the disabled, it only emboldens and encourages those abusers to new heights of deceit and depravity.

I mean if you want to hang out by soda fountain and yell out everytime someone grabs an extra tea bag or refills more than 1 cup per pour by my guest. The last thing I want to do is try to guess if someone has a “real” disability or not - especially when many such disabilities are not visible.

I would think the only real downside from Disney’s perspective is that they might annoy park goers.

I go to the parks a lot and I’ve never been annoyed by a vlogger. They are usually super chill and know the cast members well. If you’re bothered by someone talking into a camera are you also bothered by friends family talking to each other? I don’t get the complaint.

 

[DisneyCane]

Buildings are not trademarks and trademarks do not grant the same sort of protections as copyrights which are at issue with music.

There is a legal reason, not sure if trademark or copyright or something else, that the NY NY Hotel and Casino in Vegas does not have exact scale replicas of the buildings in the NY skyline.

 

[DisneyCane]

I reject the unspoken opinion that the vast majority of DAS users are scammers.

I don't think it is a vast majority but I suspect it is a significant enough percentage to make a difference to the length of the LL queue and, by extension, the standby wait time. There are a lot of entitled people around, especially in the US and they get more entitled when they are spending what it costs to go to WDW.

 

[Splash4eva]

I don't think it is a vast majority but I suspect it is a significant enough percentage to make a difference to the length of the LL queue and, by extension, the standby wait time. There are a lot of entitled people around, especially in the US and they get more entitled when they are spending what it costs to go to WDW.

So we are now gonna blame DAS for Disney’s years of neglect and lack of capacity. This is definitely a new line of defense

 

[lewisc]

I don't think it is a vast majority but I suspect it is a significant enough percentage to make a difference to the length of the LL queue and, by extension, the standby wait time. There are a lot of entitled people around, especially in the US and they get more entitled when they are spending what it costs to go to WDW.

We don't know to what extent DAS users lengthen the LL queue vs reducing the number of G+.slots being offered.

 

[lazyboy97o]

There is a legal reason, not sure if trademark or copyright or something else, that the NY NY Hotel and Casino in Vegas does not have exact scale replicas of the buildings in the NY skyline.

Because it’s expensive and was not important to the postmodern ideas of the time. The buildings depicted at New York New York predate the Architectural Works Copyright Protection Act of 1990 which finally extended copyright protection to the actual form of the building itself.

Music copyright just isn’t comparable. There are all sorts of established agreements and regulations that define usage including things like automatic licenses. And because there are issues with figuring out how much you can claim ownership of a work clearly based on another (like a lot of Disney parks) that’s why you’ll see musicians give things like a songwriting credit to another artist who was not directly involved.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Do we already have a thread on this? See the article here.

I can see both sides though. But enforcement can't just be so arbitrary all of a sudden, can it? Does this indicate something happened that they've now categorized the risk? Or is TDO gonna try and compete in this space?

So what was really happening here? Guides were getting themselves DAS, and then adding the people paying them to their party so they could use DAS to essentially work as a human fastpass for their tour groups? The article seems to hint around the edges that there was some kind of DAS abuse but it's not specific.

 

[DisneyCane]

Because it’s expensive and was not important to the postmodern ideas of the time. The buildings depicted at New York New York predate the Architectural Works Copyright Protection Act of 1990 which finally extended copyright protection to the actual form of the building itself.

Music copyright just isn’t comparable. There are all sorts of established agreements and regulations that define usage including things like automatic licenses. And because there are issues with figuring out how much you can claim ownership of a work clearly based on another (like a lot of Disney parks) that’s why you’ll see musicians give things like a songwriting credit to another artist who was not directly involved.

The hotel doesn't pre-date the act. I remember it specifically being discussed by one of the architects on some travel channel (or similar) show many years ago that they specifically and purposefully made sure not to have scale replicas of actual buildings for legal reasons.

I agree that music is very different. Disney doesn't sell videos of views of Main Street facades for revenue but they do get revenue from the streaming or radio play of the music that plays in the parks. I could see a legal argument made that if the facades appear on a commercial video, revenue is gained by their inclusion and therefore the owner of the IP of the facades is entitled to at least part of the revenue.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The hotel doesn't pre-date the act. I remember it specifically being discussed by one of the architects on some travel channel (or similar) show many years ago that they specifically and purposefully made sure not to have scale replicas of actual buildings for legal reasons.

I agree that music is very different. Disney doesn't sell videos of views of Main Street facades for revenue but they do get revenue from the streaming or radio play of the music that plays in the parks. I could see a legal argument made that if the facades appear on a commercial video, revenue is gained by their inclusion and therefore the owner of the IP of the facades is entitled to at least part of the revenue.

Do you really dislike streamers that much?

 

[HauntedPirate]

We don't know to what extent DAS users lengthen the LL queue vs reducing the number of G+.slots being offered.

Are you are denying the various counts that Touring Plans has done or claiming they are fabricated? Because there have been numbers posted in this thread by Len about at least one significant MK ride. I tend to trust TP & Len because they've been at this a long time and know what they are doing and talking about when it comes to rides and numbers.

 

[HauntedPirate]

I agree that music is very different. Disney doesn't sell videos of views of Main Street facades for revenue but they do get revenue from the streaming or radio play of the music that plays in the parks. I could see a legal argument made that if the facades appear on a commercial video, revenue is gained by their inclusion and therefore the owner of the IP of the facades is entitled to at least part of the revenue.

Yeah, no. If that were the case, Disney would have CM's on every walkway monitoring for streamers and would be escorting them out of the parks and they would have ceased to exist years ago. Disney Legal isn't a bunch of nitwits sitting in a basement somewhere.

 

[Ayla]

Are you are denying the various counts that Touring Plans has done or claiming they are fabricated? Because there have been numbers posted in this thread by Len about at least one significant MK ride. I tend to trust TP & Len because they've been at this a long time and know what they are doing and talking about when it comes to rides and numbers.

Yep. Data doesn't lie.

 

[DisneyCane]

Do you really dislike streamers that much?

I don't really care about them either way. The discussion started about people playing eagles music next to streamers and I just wondered if Disney could use the facades to prevent the streamers from monetizing in their parks.

 

[larryz]

I mean if you want to hang out by soda fountain and yell out everytime someone grabs an extra tea bag or refills more than 1 cup per pour by my guest. The last thing I want to do is try to guess if someone has a “real” disability or not - especially when many such disabilities are not visible.

Why did you try to change the argument from abusing disability accommodations to stealing extra drinks? Those two topics are totally unrelated.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The hotel doesn't pre-date the act. I remember it specifically being discussed by one of the architects on some travel channel (or similar) show many years ago that they specifically and purposefully made sure not to have scale replicas of actual buildings for legal reasons.

I agree that music is very different. Disney doesn't sell videos of views of Main Street facades for revenue but they do get revenue from the streaming or radio play of the music that plays in the parks. I could see a legal argument made that if the facades appear on a commercial video, revenue is gained by their inclusion and therefore the owner of the IP of the facades is entitled to at least part of the revenue.

The buildings the hotel mimics predate the law. Copyright was not retroactively applied to existing buildings. Most of Main Street also predates the law and thus isn’t covered. The law also specifically allows pictorial representations of buildings that are visible from a public place.

 

[HauntedPirate]

I don't really care about them either way. The discussion started about people playing eagles music next to streamers and I just wondered if Disney could use the facades to prevent the streamers from monetizing in their parks.

But they aren't monetizing their streams in that they don't charge for them. Sure, there are donations, but there is no monetary barrier to viewing their streams.