Trespassing third parties

[Purduevian]

There is a reason Epic Universe is not going to be a virtual queue park. Virtual queues are actually inefficient and require a lot of excess capacity to properly function. Making virtual queues work would require not only for Disney to continue requiring reservations, they’d also have to significantly limit their availability.

I'm not talking VQ like GotG or Tron. Those have major issues of flooding people back into the main park, filling shops, QS, and other ride lines.

More of a free roaming holding pen that can take ~1 hours worth of standby guests and allow them to relax, use the bathroom, and potentially even shop/have a snack while in an enclosed area. If the line is longer than the holding pen can take, there would be a line to get into the holding pen, just like dumbo has. However, once your number/color is called, you should be in the ride vehicle or preshow within 5 minutes. It doesn't have to even all be inside, HM could have a park/lawn area similar to ToT with benches and shade structures.

 

[Splash4eva]

People wanna complain about DAS then when you come up with viable solutions people still complain and say its unfair and possible illegal. See the trend lets just complain and keep going and going…. There is and ALWAYS will be one answer to solve this all. Disney needs to add capacity. Add entertainment Add more things to do. Its that simple!

 

[Touchdown]

Those are general rules that apply to all persons. They are not a rule that only applies to those seeking accommodation.

I would argue that 90%+ of visitors to WDW don’t reride an attraction on the same day. It’s not unreasonable.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I'm not talking VQ like GotG or Tron. Those have major issues of flooding people back into the main park, filling shops, QS, and other ride lines.

More of a free roaming holding pen that can take ~1 hours worth of standby guests and allow them to relax, use the bathroom, and potentially even shop/have a snack while in an enclosed area. If the line is longer than the holding pen can take, there would be a line to get into the holding pen, just like dumbo has. However, once your number/color is called, you should be in the ride vehicle or preshow within 5 minutes. It doesn't have to even all be inside, HM could have a park/lawn area similar to ToT with benches and shade structures.

That’s still an incredibly inefficient use of space. A typically queue allocates 5 SF - 7 SF per person. At a minimum you’re talking about tripling the square footage per person. You’d have to find that space somewhere, which likely means eating into the park which has a worse impact (because of that higher square footage allotment) than just putting that person into the park.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I would argue that 90%+ of visitors to WDW don’t reride an attraction on the same day. It’s not unreasonable.

That doesn’t really matter. You’re removing an option otherwise offered to the general public. That’s not an accommodation, it’s a denial of access.

 

[lewisc]

That’s still an incredibly inefficient use of space. A typically queue allocates 5 SF - 7 SF per person. At a minimum you’re talking about tripling the square footage per person. You’d have to find that space somewhere, which likely means eating into the park which has a worse impact (because of that higher square footage allotment) than just putting that person into the park.

The question is how much revenue would the snacks and souvenir sales generate.

 

[lewisc]

This doesn't fix the problem Disney is trying to address here, though. The person selling their DAS spots could just make it clear they can only go on a ride once a day.

Disney fixed the problem. No more private guides. The discussion has evolved to a general DAS discussion.

That doesn’t really matter. You’re removing an option otherwise offered to the general public. That’s not an accommodation, it’s a denial of access.

Reasonable accommodation is required. Guests get one G+ or ILL line skip per attraction. Is it reasonable to limit DAS to one line skip per attraction?

That's a question for legal. Alternatively put some chairs in a closet backstage and make that the DAS waiting area.

 

[flynnibus]

Reasonable accommodation is required. Guests get one G+ or ILL line skip per attraction. Is it reasonable to limit DAS to one line skip per attraction?

That's a question for legal. Alternatively put some chairs in a closet backstage and make that the DAS waiting area.

Court already ruled that demanding unlimited returns to the attraction was not a reasonable accommodation (in the last DAS lawsuit). So limits are on the table.

The lawsuit was demanding a number of unlimited return passes and Disney argued that disrupts their operations and showed data to prove the volume of users did impact others... and the judge sided with Disney on that claim.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Reasonable accommodation is required. Guests get one G+ or ILL line skip per attraction. Is it reasonable to limit DAS to one line skip per attraction?

That's a question for legal. Alternatively put some chairs in a closet backstage and make that the DAS waiting area.

Where did I say anything about line skipping?

Chairs backstage would be an even bigger problem.

 

[Splash4eva]

Court already ruled that demanding unlimited returns to the attraction was not a reasonable accommodation (in the last DAS lawsuit). So limits are on the table.

The lawsuit was demanding a number of unlimited return passes and Disney argued that disrupts their operations and showed data to prove the volume of users did impact others... and the judge sided with Disney on that claim.

So then why dont Disney ease up some more and limit DAS to one ride one time per day like they do with Genie. Again as a DAS user i have no issue with that if it means lower wait times across the board like people swear it will because in theory now when i go to check into another ride my return time will be less. Seems like a win win for everyone.

 

[lazyboy97o]

So then why dont Disney ease up some more and limit DAS to one ride one time per day like they do with Genie. Again as a DAS user i have no issue with that if it means lower wait times across the board like people swear it will because in theory now when i go to check into another ride my return time will be less. Seems like a win win for everyone.

Genie+ is an additional, up charge offering with its own rules. DAS is an accommodation for general admission. Unless everyone is restricted to one ride per attraction then you’re not going to be allowed to limit those with disabilities to one ride. That is a blatant denial of access.

 

[Touchdown]

Genie+ is an additional, up charge offering with its own rules. DAS is an accommodation for general admission. Unless everyone is restricted to one ride per attraction then you’re not going to be allowed to limit those with disabilities to one ride. That is a blatant denial of access.

Again as mentioned above, the courts already decided it wasn’t a denial.

 

[flynnibus]

Again as mentioned above, the courts already decided it wasn’t a denial.

No, the court didn't rule on the point raised here (limiting DAS from using another attraction during their hold period)

The plantiff wanted to be able to re-ride a ride without waits or limits because of her child's needs - the court ruled against her for that.

 

[Indy_UK]

DAS is not that much different to standby. You're waiting the same amount of time but you're free to do other stuff during that time instead of having to physically wait in the line.

So you can't really cap DAS per ride

 

[LuvtheGoof]

DAS is not that much different to standby. You're waiting the same amount of time but you're free to do other stuff during that time instead of having to physically wait in the line.

So you can't really cap DAS per ride

Except that the person in the standby line is stuck there, while the person with DAS is free to visit a show or another attraction while waiting for their time. A definite advantage for the DAS user over a regular guest.

 

[Indy_UK]

Except that the person in the standby line is stuck there, while the person with DAS is free to visit a show or another attraction while waiting for their time. A definite advantage for the DAS user over a regular guest.

It is an 'advantage' but Disney can't control what those DAS users do while 'Waiting' Chances are they may be able to scoot into a nearby show or grab some food, they're not going to be able to go and do Big ticket rides.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Again as mentioned above, the courts already decided it wasn’t a denial.

No, they did not. They ruled that making people wait like everyone else was still reasonable.

No, the court didn't rule on the point raised here (limiting DAS from using another attraction during their hold period)

That’s not what I’m talking about. The other proposal raised is limiting DAS accommodations to once per attraction per day. So someone who used DAS to ride Pirates of the Caribbean would not be allowed to use DAS for a second ride on Pirates of the Caribbean.

 

[lewisc]

It is an 'advantage' but Disney can't control what those DAS users do while 'Waiting' Chances are they may be able to scoot into a nearby show or grab some food, they're not going to be able to go and do Big ticket rides.

You're kidding?
The current wait for SDD is 120 minutes. Enough time for a big ticket ride.

Disney could have waiting place for DAS giests

 

[Doberge]

On limits to DAS per attraction, I don't see any compelling reason to limit DAS to once daily on every attraction. Many are such low hanging fruit, like it makes no sense to limit Under the Sea. It matters most on low efficiency rides (Peter Pan) and highly popular rides, both which result in longer waits.

While "reasonable person" is not the standard, applications of the Disability Act to theme parks has inserted gray areas, like this one, that I think a reasonable person argument can at least be persuasive to a judge. Anyway, that argument is that there is a wait time threshold that a reasonable person is not going to wait in the same line for the same attraction more than once per day.

Disney could identify rides with an average wait time over whatever threshold (60 minutes? 90 minutes? and say anything under has unlimited DAS rides and anything over is limited to once per day, or maybe once per day until an hour before park close and then no restriction.

 

[Ayla]

DAS is not that much different to standby. You're waiting the same amount of time but you're free to do other stuff during that time instead of having to physically wait in the line.

So you can't really cap DAS per ride

Oh geez, not this bs excuse again...