Transformative Multi-Year Expansion Announced for WDS Paris

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
After reflecting on the D23 announcements and various reactions over the last two weeks, I feel a bit disenchanted. I have been hoping for a Splash Mountain type ride to come to DLP since the 90s and am a fan of the Lion King movie & musical as well. So in theory I should be over the moon.

Disney Adventure World totally fits into the trend of IP-driven lands, shaped heavily by marketing that focuses on giving people what they think they want - nothing less and nothing much more. But in doing so, it misses that element of surprise & wonder that made Disney so magical. I think Joe Rohde said something like that it’s not about giving people what they ask for, but surprising them with something beyond their expectations.

Looking at our pre-D23 poll the announcements were completely in line with what most members expected. Yet that’s where - my personal - feeling of fatigue might be coming from. Disney may be playing it too safe by mainly relying on popular franchises and using a very formulaic approach. The „how did Disney do that“ has shifted to a „I see what you did there“ - lacking major ambition, sophistication and level of design quality that made the first DLP park outstanding.

Meanwhile, despite also relying on IPs, Universal’s Epic Universe is capturing that spirit of wonder with its innovative world-building, and that’s where my excitement has been shifting to. Just one of those lands from Epic - in terms of ambition, innovation & scale - would have made the WDS expansion worthwhile. The Lion King definitely looks like a step up in terms of scale and probably investment as well - those animatronics are not cheap. While I am looking forward to ride it, I am still very cautious what to expect in the end.
I think - even allowing for the plus points the physical expansion and lake offers - also having one D ticket and one spinner as the sum total addition for this multi year project at opening is a real low point. Scrapping GE is already biting them on the rear. I’ve said elsewhere about the boy / girl / space / princess balance and it’s abundantly clear here. Opening day should absolutely have offered Frozenland and GE - preferably with more than one attraction per “land” - with LK already coming along and a forth hi quality, unique offering waiting in the wings. But profits.
 

nickys

Premium Member
I think - even allowing for the plus points the physical expansion and lake offers - also having one D ticket and one spinner as the sum total addition for this multi year project at opening is a real low point. Scrapping GE is already biting them on the rear. I’ve said elsewhere about the boy / girl / space / princess balance and it’s abundantly clear here. Opening day should absolutely have offered Frozenland and GE - preferably with more than one attraction per “land” - with LK already coming along and a forth hi quality, unique offering waiting in the wings. But profits.
Do you think there’s truth in the idea that they panicked when they saw the relative lack-lustre reception that GE got when it opened in the US?
 

nickys

Premium Member
Perhaps the land coming after LK might be a unique version of Avatar to WDSP/DAW. Avatar was extremely popular in France and it would be a missed opportunity to not bring it to the park.
I mean, why not? But the next movie is coming out this year, correct?
And since LK hasn’t even broken ground yet, any Avatar themed land would be 6/7 years away. Maybe hey could theme it not to Fire & Ice but whatever #4 is going to be.
 

nickys

Premium Member
I don’t. It was purely a cost decision.
The like was for your reply.

So do you think they are regretting the decision? Or is it a case that the rumoured Star Wars expansion would be a cheaper option as a compromise?

Always with the caveat of “if you can say” of course. 😊
 

cjkeating

Well-Known Member
It runs satisfactorily now (minus canons) plus they have 5 years of operational knowledge now
Does it?

During my visits last August and this February off the top of my head I had the following issues...

No finale Kylo at all including on one occasion the 'ceiling' was down but no B mode Kylo
Kylo broken on the bridge
And/or Hux broken on the bridge
No lightsaber on one ride
Guns don't lower on the AT-AT

We also had a completely out of sync escape pod scene which was hilarious.

Erm... I think that was it. To be fair the probe droid was working which it hadn't been on my trips prior to this.

I've had a couple of friends visit since and they have reported similar but varied issues. But of course it will have its good and bad days but from my last two experiences show quality seemed to have fallen off a cliff.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Does it?

During my visits last August and this February off the top of my head I had the following issues...

No finale Kylo at all including on one occasion the 'ceiling' was down but no B mode Kylo
Kylo broken on the bridge
And/or Hux broken on the bridge
No lightsaber on one ride
Guns don't lower on the AT-AT

We also had a completely out of sync escape pod scene which was hilarious.

Erm... I think that was it. To be fair the probe droid was working which it hadn't been on my trips prior to this.

I've had a couple of friends visit since and they have reported similar but varied issues. But of course it will have its good and bad days but from my last two experiences show quality seemed to have fallen off a cliff.
I’d call those show issues and would be annoyed if they existed the following day. Any attraction can have them and that’s mainly down to maintenance. But operationally it does. IIRC 91% uptime on average (which is considered good)
 

Indy_UK

Well-Known Member
I think once Lion King ‘land’ is done at Adventure world that’s going to be it for quite a few years. I actually dont think they’re going to entertain the Avatar land for the foreseeable
 

Toni25

Well-Known Member
I think once Lion King ‘land’ is done at Adventure world that’s going to be it for quite a few years. I actually dont think they’re going to entertain the Avatar land for the foreseeable
Yeah, I think the same. Definitely nothing else coming until after 2030.
I don't even believe Lion King will open until either 2028 or 2029 so...might actually be no additions until 2035.
 

Loose Pebble

Active Member
I think once Lion King ‘land’ is done at Adventure world that’s going to be it for quite a few years. I actually dont think they’re going to entertain the Avatar land for the foreseeable
Lion King closes the loop around the bay right? Because Avatar was going to be in a side plot? If they are doing that I could definitely see them saying they're done for a while. And then maybe we can finally get something new for Disneyland park
 

Haymarket

Well-Known Member
Does that mean there will be two dead ends on the bay until they add the third miniland? That would be disappointing.
Supposedly it'll look something like this. No dead ends, but huge gaps.

Looks like two more expansion pads (one between Lion King and Frozen, and the other between Frozen and the current Cars attraction).

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Jordan dby

Well-Known Member
isn't there supposed to be a parade route that starts between lion king and frozen?

the right side of the lake looks barren, backing onto the backside of Cars road trip, but assuming that ride stays there is only really space for a path leading onto an expansion plot on either side. neither will change the aesthetics around the actual lake much i dont think.
 

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