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They look amazing, but is ToT the icon? Sometimes they use the Chinese Theatre, others ToT...
They look amazing, but is ToT the icon? Sometimes they use the Chinese Theatre, others ToT...
Honestly these new IP style parks make it difficult to have an icon. When there’s nothing really unifying the theme of the whole park it makes it difficult to have an icon that represents the whole park.
Universal parks have never really had icons the way Disney parks did, and it’s probably for that very reason. And it seems like Disney is moving away from the “every park has one icon” thing too. DCA doesn’t really have one. Hollywood Studios switches between the Chinese theater and Tower of Terror. I don’t think it’s something they actively think about or plan for in their designs anymore.
I think they switched. It's been pretty consistently ToT for at least the last few years. I think it's in part because it's much bigger, and roughly on the same scale as the others.They look amazing, but is ToT the icon? Sometimes they use the Chinese Theatre, others ToT...
I think Universal is establishing the Chronos Tower as Epic Universe's icon.Honestly these new IP style parks make it difficult to have an icon. When there’s nothing really unifying the theme of the whole park it makes it difficult to have an icon that represents the whole park.
I think the difference here is that DCA was a full sized park... it was just the themes were mainly questionable and lots of placemaking could fix these errors. WDSP however was a quarter sized park when it opened. After the many piecemeal additions it's now a half sized park. The expansion is making it a three quarter sized park with expansion pads to make it a full sized park. If they had only concentrated on what was still there we'd still have a half sized park with no access to expansion pads.The 2012 DCA 2.0 redo should’ve been the blueprint: taking areas that didn’t evoke a particular theme and changing them so that guests felt transported to another time or place—that old-school Disney Parks vibe. For all their flaws and deviation from their original thematic visions, at least DHS and DCA still accomplish that.
Ultimately it all comes down to money. It would be awesome to have multiple fleshed out lands around the lake but DLP doesn't have an unlimited budget so I don't think there is a simple solution to this?Avengers Campus was a step in the right direction, but these mini-lands with just one attraction don’t do it for me.
I think - even allowing for the plus points the physical expansion and lake offers - also having one D ticket and one spinner as the sum total addition for this multi year project at opening is a real low point. Scrapping GE is already biting them on the rear. I’ve said elsewhere about the boy / girl / space / princess balance and it’s abundantly clear here. Opening day should absolutely have offered Frozenland and GE - preferably with more than one attraction per “land” - with LK already coming along and a forth hi quality, unique offering waiting in the wings. But profits.After reflecting on the D23 announcements and various reactions over the last two weeks, I feel a bit disenchanted. I have been hoping for a Splash Mountain type ride to come to DLP since the 90s and am a fan of the Lion King movie & musical as well. So in theory I should be over the moon.
Disney Adventure World totally fits into the trend of IP-driven lands, shaped heavily by marketing that focuses on giving people what they think they want - nothing less and nothing much more. But in doing so, it misses that element of surprise & wonder that made Disney so magical. I think Joe Rohde said something like that it’s not about giving people what they ask for, but surprising them with something beyond their expectations.
Looking at our pre-D23 poll the announcements were completely in line with what most members expected. Yet that’s where - my personal - feeling of fatigue might be coming from. Disney may be playing it too safe by mainly relying on popular franchises and using a very formulaic approach. The „how did Disney do that“ has shifted to a „I see what you did there“ - lacking major ambition, sophistication and level of design quality that made the first DLP park outstanding.
Meanwhile, despite also relying on IPs, Universal’s Epic Universe is capturing that spirit of wonder with its innovative world-building, and that’s where my excitement has been shifting to. Just one of those lands from Epic - in terms of ambition, innovation & scale - would have made the WDS expansion worthwhile. The Lion King definitely looks like a step up in terms of scale and probably investment as well - those animatronics are not cheap. While I am looking forward to ride it, I am still very cautious what to expect in the end.
Perhaps the land coming after LK might be a unique version of Avatar to WDSP/DAW. Avatar was extremely popular in France and it would be a missed opportunity to not bring it to the park.with LK already coming along and a forth hi quality, unique offering waiting in the wings.
Do you think there’s truth in the idea that they panicked when they saw the relative lack-lustre reception that GE got when it opened in the US?I think - even allowing for the plus points the physical expansion and lake offers - also having one D ticket and one spinner as the sum total addition for this multi year project at opening is a real low point. Scrapping GE is already biting them on the rear. I’ve said elsewhere about the boy / girl / space / princess balance and it’s abundantly clear here. Opening day should absolutely have offered Frozenland and GE - preferably with more than one attraction per “land” - with LK already coming along and a forth hi quality, unique offering waiting in the wings. But profits.
I mean, why not? But the next movie is coming out this year, correct?Perhaps the land coming after LK might be a unique version of Avatar to WDSP/DAW. Avatar was extremely popular in France and it would be a missed opportunity to not bring it to the park.
I don’t. It was purely a cost decision.Do you think there’s truth in the idea that they panicked when they saw the relative lack-lustre reception that GE got when it opened in the US?
The like was for your reply.I don’t. It was purely a cost decision.
I think they panicked when they saw what a nightmare ROTR was to build, operate and maintain. Both US parks don’t have a handle on the latter two points to this day.Do you think there’s truth in the idea that they panicked when they saw the relative lack-lustre reception that GE got when it opened in the US?
It runs satisfactorily now (minus canons) plus they have 5 years of operational knowledge nowI think they panicked when they saw what a nightmare ROTR was to build, operate and maintain. Both US parks don’t have a handle on the latter two points to this day.
Does it?It runs satisfactorily now (minus canons) plus they have 5 years of operational knowledge now
I’d call those show issues and would be annoyed if they existed the following day. Any attraction can have them and that’s mainly down to maintenance. But operationally it does. IIRC 91% uptime on average (which is considered good)Does it?
During my visits last August and this February off the top of my head I had the following issues...
No finale Kylo at all including on one occasion the 'ceiling' was down but no B mode Kylo
Kylo broken on the bridge
And/or Hux broken on the bridge
No lightsaber on one ride
Guns don't lower on the AT-AT
We also had a completely out of sync escape pod scene which was hilarious.
Erm... I think that was it. To be fair the probe droid was working which it hadn't been on my trips prior to this.
I've had a couple of friends visit since and they have reported similar but varied issues. But of course it will have its good and bad days but from my last two experiences show quality seemed to have fallen off a cliff.
Yeah, I think the same. Definitely nothing else coming until after 2030.I think once Lion King ‘land’ is done at Adventure world that’s going to be it for quite a few years. I actually dont think they’re going to entertain the Avatar land for the foreseeable
Lion King closes the loop around the bay right? Because Avatar was going to be in a side plot? If they are doing that I could definitely see them saying they're done for a while. And then maybe we can finally get something new for Disneyland parkI think once Lion King ‘land’ is done at Adventure world that’s going to be it for quite a few years. I actually dont think they’re going to entertain the Avatar land for the foreseeable
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