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Transformative Multi-Year Expansion Announced for WDS Paris
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TheDisneyParksfanC8
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100% agree. Mission breakout is the only good rethemed Marvel ride. But overall Disney has been skimping on quality lately and it shows with things like Flight Force.
gerarar
Premium Member
Was kinda sad I was gonna miss the opening date of Avengers Campus, and likewise Flight Force, by a week.
But doesn't seem like I'm missing much (which is a shame) seeing it as a reskinned RNRC. The preshow AA looks pretty cool tho.
We regular guests can still walk through the land (I believe), which I'm pretty hyped for in a couple days!
But doesn't seem like I'm missing much (which is a shame) seeing it as a reskinned RNRC. The preshow AA looks pretty cool tho.
We regular guests can still walk through the land (I believe), which I'm pretty hyped for in a couple days!
Even though Flight Force might seem underwhelming on youtube vids, I imagine its hard to really get the way the screens look on camera, kinda like how all the GotG coaster vids look like crap, but people overwhelmingly seem to love the ride. Regardless, DSP is about to get 2 attractions added to the lineup of only like 3 or 4. DSP needs so much more but this is a big step in the right diretion for what is clearly the worst Disney park at the moment...by a mile imo.
I think it sums up the Chapek era so far? A lot of promise, cool ideas, but with the budget cuts deliver something pretty underwhelming and without care (Like the guardian's scene, would it really have cost that much to have created new imagery for that scene that fits Paris? )
The best thing I think we have seen from the "press" weekend is the drones. I watched a ride thru of flight force and it just felt ..dull? How did they not even grab a track from the Iron Man soundtracks for this? There seem to be even just moments of darkness compared to RnRC.
A slight improvement visually and maybe food-wise? But I don't think it improves anything drastically so far (a lot of the good points about California Campus were the stunt shows and characters though, so we shall see how they go unless they restrict those so people pay €15 euro for their "animated" photo)
The best thing I think we have seen from the "press" weekend is the drones. I watched a ride thru of flight force and it just felt ..dull? How did they not even grab a track from the Iron Man soundtracks for this? There seem to be even just moments of darkness compared to RnRC.
A slight improvement visually and maybe food-wise? But I don't think it improves anything drastically so far (a lot of the good points about California Campus were the stunt shows and characters though, so we shall see how they go unless they restrict those so people pay €15 euro for their "animated" photo)
Sir_Cliff
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Maybe it's just me, but I'm kind of surprised that people were expecting much more than what we got. I've also honestly been surprised about all the extra hours for Avengers Campus as there really isn't that much there.
I don't recall there ever being a suggestion from insiders or Disney that the re-themed Rock'n'Roller Coaster was supposed to be anything more than just that. They weren't pitching it as Paris' Cosmic Rewind, for example. We also already knew the details of the Spiderman attraction. I guess I'm just not sure what people thought this was going to be?
One thing I will say is that I think it is more than a slight improvement visually. That whole area of the park looked terrible. At least this now looks like a land in a Disney theme park.
I don't recall there ever being a suggestion from insiders or Disney that the re-themed Rock'n'Roller Coaster was supposed to be anything more than just that. They weren't pitching it as Paris' Cosmic Rewind, for example. We also already knew the details of the Spiderman attraction. I guess I'm just not sure what people thought this was going to be?
One thing I will say is that I think it is more than a slight improvement visually. That whole area of the park looked terrible. At least this now looks like a land in a Disney theme park.
Absimilliard
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I have a different take on this park and Avenger's Campus than most.
I missed the Campus by a month and a half and my visit early june was still good at the Studios anyway. Walt Disney Studios problem has not been its attractions since 2008: it was the underutilized dining facilities in Backlot and the lack of restroom facilities that dragged the park down and made the park maximum capacity the lowest of any Disney parks worldwide.
Blockbuster Cafe never pulled its weight in guests served daily and the stuntmen diner same whenever they opened it. Now with a much nicer environment around Backlot and the new Stark Factory (ex Blockbuster Cafe) and rethemed diner along with outdoor food stalls boosting where guests will eat, its a massive gain.
If we circle back to attractions, Armageddon was a blight due to its braindead preshow (thanks Thierry Coup...) Armageddon was so reviled by guests it pushed the park's guest satisfaction scores down whenever it was open. Spiderman just by being average and servicing 800 pph is massive gain. Flight Force is a mixed score: much better queue and preshow, downgraded main show. The worrying thing is Disney's choice in not fully replacing the ride vehicle shells and restraints, which already lead to roughness complaints.
If you remember a few years back, Space Mountain at DLP saw Disney purchasing 36 new fiberglass shells and the MK-1212 vest restraint hardware from Vekoma. The indestructible chassis installed in 2000-2001 remained and they bolted the new shells and installed the new restraints. They redid the stations to have electrical restraints releases and the ride popularity sky rocketed due to the fact it turned much more comfortable.
For Rock n Roller Coaster/Flight Force, they instead purchased 5 new fiberglass shells for the front cars and 5 new fiberglass shells for the back cars. They repainted the 20 middle car shells and installed the old Disney Vekoma hard shoulder restraints hardware on the 5 trains. The ride is not getting newer and I am hearing a lot of rough ride comments.
If we look at the Walt Disney Studios on July 20, we have: two dark rides (Web Slingers and Ratatouille), a family coaster (Crush Coaster), two thrill coasters (Flight Force and RC Racer), @ thrill ride (TOT), a filler attraction (Cars Route 66) and 4 flat rides (Cars 4 wheel rally, Parachute Drop, Slinky Dog and Flying Carpets). Its a good line-up with more mechanical attractions than DHS in Florida.
I missed the Campus by a month and a half and my visit early june was still good at the Studios anyway. Walt Disney Studios problem has not been its attractions since 2008: it was the underutilized dining facilities in Backlot and the lack of restroom facilities that dragged the park down and made the park maximum capacity the lowest of any Disney parks worldwide.
Blockbuster Cafe never pulled its weight in guests served daily and the stuntmen diner same whenever they opened it. Now with a much nicer environment around Backlot and the new Stark Factory (ex Blockbuster Cafe) and rethemed diner along with outdoor food stalls boosting where guests will eat, its a massive gain.
If we circle back to attractions, Armageddon was a blight due to its braindead preshow (thanks Thierry Coup...) Armageddon was so reviled by guests it pushed the park's guest satisfaction scores down whenever it was open. Spiderman just by being average and servicing 800 pph is massive gain. Flight Force is a mixed score: much better queue and preshow, downgraded main show. The worrying thing is Disney's choice in not fully replacing the ride vehicle shells and restraints, which already lead to roughness complaints.
If you remember a few years back, Space Mountain at DLP saw Disney purchasing 36 new fiberglass shells and the MK-1212 vest restraint hardware from Vekoma. The indestructible chassis installed in 2000-2001 remained and they bolted the new shells and installed the new restraints. They redid the stations to have electrical restraints releases and the ride popularity sky rocketed due to the fact it turned much more comfortable.
For Rock n Roller Coaster/Flight Force, they instead purchased 5 new fiberglass shells for the front cars and 5 new fiberglass shells for the back cars. They repainted the 20 middle car shells and installed the old Disney Vekoma hard shoulder restraints hardware on the 5 trains. The ride is not getting newer and I am hearing a lot of rough ride comments.
If we look at the Walt Disney Studios on July 20, we have: two dark rides (Web Slingers and Ratatouille), a family coaster (Crush Coaster), two thrill coasters (Flight Force and RC Racer), @ thrill ride (TOT), a filler attraction (Cars Route 66) and 4 flat rides (Cars 4 wheel rally, Parachute Drop, Slinky Dog and Flying Carpets). Its a good line-up with more mechanical attractions than DHS in Florida.
The E? It’s something WDSP still needs and would offer the park a different experience.
I have it the chassis were also replaced with the 1212, not just the restraints.
yensidtlaw1969
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I feel like this is what's funny to me - if you had pitched it this way, this is what I would have expected. It's a roller coaster in the dark with some flat projections. Flight Force scores a point for having an extra Bell in the form of the nice Iron Man Animatronic in the queue (is this the first AA in DSP?!?), but Cosmic Rewind makes up for it with the Whistle that is its spinning cars, I guess? I don't know. Seems like both are really doing near the bare minimum here. I'm personally shocked by how low the bar seems to have been for Cosmic Rewind, given how little it does and how much praise it's gotten for it.
Either I'm misremembering, or things really went another way here, but I seem to recall somewhere seeing a photo of a Foamcore Model in WDI that was determined to be for the DSP RNR revamp - the coaster track had Skyscraper scenery at angles all around it, as giving the impression you were flying between buildings. Even if they had just done that it would have taken this ride to a new level.
The biggest issue, to me, is that anyone internally could or would look and say "THIS is what Disney Studios Paris needs". They didn't even gain an attraction - each new one replaced an old one, and one of them is worse?? How on Earth can they still be looking at this park and figuring they can settle for less?
With just a little more money, Flight Force could have reinvigorated the whole park. Who's letting them get away with this, and why would they want to??
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Absimilliard
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Axles and fiberglass shells were replaced at Space Mountain when the MK-1212 were put on. This was the second time the axles were replaced on a large scale, as in 2001, the chassis were finished replacing and then, all the axles were redone to compensate for the heavier chassis.
The indestructible chassis run on 5 coasters:
- Space Mountain at DLP
- Rock n Roller Coaster in Florida
- Avengers Assemble: Flight Force in Paris
- Xpress Platform 13 at Walibi Holland
-Goudurix at Parc Asterix
They are all rides that put a lot of stress on their trains and that Vekoma creation helped them long term.
Indy_UK
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I think maybe I am being an optimist but I think it looks great. The area looks very nice and clean and while im sure they could have done more, on paper it looks better than what's in California. For me the constant addition of characters in the land like in CA is what will make this for me.
They have a fair bit of land there and I think like i've said previously, they just need the Avengers E-Ticket and it will be perfect. When you add the Art of Marvel hotel into the mix, it's a great overall Experience for Kids.
Im actually even fine for the Paris Version of Galaxy's Edge to either get delayed further or be replaced by something else and have AC and Arendale beefed up. I just want experiences I don't get in WDW
They have a fair bit of land there and I think like i've said previously, they just need the Avengers E-Ticket and it will be perfect. When you add the Art of Marvel hotel into the mix, it's a great overall Experience for Kids.
Im actually even fine for the Paris Version of Galaxy's Edge to either get delayed further or be replaced by something else and have AC and Arendale beefed up. I just want experiences I don't get in WDW
ToTBellHop
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The in-ride soundtrack is the Avengers theme and it’s an Avengers ride.
UNCgolf
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People love GotG because of the actual physical thrill and the soundtrack, though, not because of the projections.
This ride has the same physical thrill as the old RnRC, and the projections are much worse than on CR.
cjkeating
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I'm not sure how many people in the thread have been to WDSP but as a couple of others have stated this is EXACTLY what the park needed. Yeah maybe FF could be better but other than that I think the land has ticked the boxes.
Whilst it might not seem like an addition it has plussed everything and will create far improved utilisation of the space/capacity.
RNRC frequently had a 5 minute wait - FF will not.
Armageddon was frequently closed and when it was open was unpopular - Web Adventure will not be.
The old buffet was regarded as the worst on property - PYM Kitchen is not.
Blockbuster Cafe was nearly always closed - Stark Factory looks to have the most solid counter service menu at DLP.
The Super Diner and one of the two food trucks appear to have welcome new food offerings for DLP.
The meet and greet building is the best/next level for DLP.
The shop has the most consistent offering on property and has thematic integrity.
The daytime entertainment in the area (which I am told is here for the long term) looks to be great in a resort that lacks streetmosphere.
Let's not forget since 1992 the only area that has come close to matching the quality of the original park is Place de Remy which was the parks previous expansion. In many ways I see this as the next step. PdR had a dark ride, restaurant and shop, AC has this times 2.5 and I think is a great sign of what is coming with the lake and in Frozen.
Whilst it might not seem like an addition it has plussed everything and will create far improved utilisation of the space/capacity.
RNRC frequently had a 5 minute wait - FF will not.
Armageddon was frequently closed and when it was open was unpopular - Web Adventure will not be.
The old buffet was regarded as the worst on property - PYM Kitchen is not.
Blockbuster Cafe was nearly always closed - Stark Factory looks to have the most solid counter service menu at DLP.
The Super Diner and one of the two food trucks appear to have welcome new food offerings for DLP.
The meet and greet building is the best/next level for DLP.
The shop has the most consistent offering on property and has thematic integrity.
The daytime entertainment in the area (which I am told is here for the long term) looks to be great in a resort that lacks streetmosphere.
Let's not forget since 1992 the only area that has come close to matching the quality of the original park is Place de Remy which was the parks previous expansion. In many ways I see this as the next step. PdR had a dark ride, restaurant and shop, AC has this times 2.5 and I think is a great sign of what is coming with the lake and in Frozen.
ToTBellHop
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Absolutely. This is an upgrade for the resort and, especially, WDSP. And FF didn’t cost half a billion Euro so they can still afford to build other new rides.
TheLewisHK
Active Member
It is a promising start for the studios for sure, and regardless of whether Flight Force is underwhelming, it will still be well received by the European public - I have always felt DLP caters more towards thrill seekers than its sister resorts, so it'll be enjoyed.
My only gripe here is the land should have been bigger. The Moteurs stage should have been ploughed to create another hub at the end, because right now it still has the issue that Backlot had in that it is mostly just a cul-de-sack. An additional dark ride would have been an incredibly welcome addition too, as now we are still at the same attraction count as we were 4 years ago.
Still, it's a step in the right direction. Finally.
My only gripe here is the land should have been bigger. The Moteurs stage should have been ploughed to create another hub at the end, because right now it still has the issue that Backlot had in that it is mostly just a cul-de-sack. An additional dark ride would have been an incredibly welcome addition too, as now we are still at the same attraction count as we were 4 years ago.
Still, it's a step in the right direction. Finally.
Animaniac93-98
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Yes, the first and only in the park so far.
Now think about how many are in Pirates next door at Parc Disneyland, alone.
Frozen will add more and, if they build it, Rise too.
Animaniac93-98
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It's weird how AC gets so many of the small things right, like this, but drops the ball on the actual rides.