Transformative Multi-Year Expansion Announced for WDS Paris

marni1971

Park History nut
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Yes, the first and only in the park so far.

Now think about how many are in Pirates next door at Parc Disneyland, alone.

Frozen will add more and, if they build it, Rise too.
WDSP had the distinction of the first Disney park with no animatronics and no body of water. You could also see all four edges of the park from one place (you couldn’t see the berms since it had none). Eisner was right he’d built it too cheap. But given the climate and legal obligations back then it was possibly more of a rock and a hard place.
 
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tanc

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Sometimes I miss the old imagineers dearly.
 

Animaniac93-98

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WDSP had the distinction of the first Disney park with no animatronics and no body of water. You could also see all four edges of the park from one place (you couldn’t see the berms since it had none). Eisner was right he’d built it too cheap. But given the climate and legal obligations back then it was possibly more of a rock and a hard place.

When do we get the Avengers Campus Ultimate Tribute? 😁
 

SplashJacket

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I feel like this is what's funny to me - if you had pitched it this way, this is what I would have expected. It's a roller coaster in the dark with some flat projections. Flight Force scores a point for having an extra Bell in the form of the nice Iron Man Animatronic in the queue (is this the first AA in DSP?!?), but Cosmic Rewind makes up for it with the Whistle that is its spinning cars, I guess? I don't know. Seems like both are really doing near the bare minimum here. I'm personally shocked by how low the bar seems to have been for Cosmic Rewind, given how little it does and how much praise it's gotten for it.
Homie 🤣

There’s no way you’ve ridden Guardians if you think the only good element is it’s spinning cars.

RNRC is a mediocre coaster in a box with an interesting enough theme, putting it all together, it’s a good ride.

Guardians, on the other hand, is a fantastic coaster, with fantastic visual and physical elements, in an extremely long form factor. RNRC is a blink and you’ll miss it kinda ride.

I brought two first-timers to Disney a couple weeks ago, and one said Rise was their favorite with Guardians as their second and the other said Guardians as their favorite. They both thought it was easily the best coaster at Disney by a mile.

Guardians isn’t an example of a bunt, it’s a no-doubt home run. It’s a truly fantastic ride.

It doesn’t have an Instagram-worthy reveal like Rise, but the pre-show is very cool (but doesn’t translate well to camera) and the first view into space is mind-blowing (and it doesn’t translate at all to camera). Guardians is not donkey doo doo, despite what you’ve led yourself to believe.

I agree there’s absolutely no reason the Groot and Rocket animatronics aren’t in the pre-show, but not having them doesn’t really detract from the experience, it just would’ve made it that much better.
The biggest issue, to me, is that anyone internally could or would look and say "THIS is what Disney Studios Paris needs". They didn't even gain an attraction - each new one replaced an old one, and one of them is worse?? How on Earth can they still be looking at this park and figuring they can settle for less?
Even if you ignore the substantially, and I mean, substantially, it’s absolutely no comparison, better queue and exterior, at worst, the ride experience is a net-equal, not a net negative. There’s just no way. The coaster itself is still mediocre, and everything else is just lipstick on a pig. Sure, the lipstick changed colors, but even with very minimal projections, it’s easily an improvement (to me, I can understand seeing it as a net-equal, but it’s not like they ruined a masterpiece). It’s disappointing the ride doesn’t look better, but it’s sure as hell not some kind of disaster. It’s an extreme upgrade for the park as a whole.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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Homie 🤣

There’s no way you’ve ridden Guardians if you think the only good element is it’s spinning cars.

RNRC is a mediocre coaster in a box with an interesting enough theme, putting it all together, it’s a good ride.

Guardians, on the other hand, is a fantastic coaster, with fantastic visual and physical elements, in an extremely long form factor. RNRC is a blink and you’ll miss it kinda ride.

I brought two first-timers to Disney a couple weeks ago, and one said Rise was their favorite with Guardians as their second and the other said Guardians as their favorite. They both thought it was easily the best coaster at Disney by a mile.

Guardians isn’t an example of a bunt, it’s a no-doubt home run. It’s a truly fantastic ride.

It doesn’t have an Instagram-worthy reveal like Rise, but the pre-show is very cool (but doesn’t translate well to camera) and the first view into space is mind-blowing (and it doesn’t translate at all to camera). Guardians is not donkey doo doo, despite what you’ve led yourself to believe.

I agree there’s absolutely no reason the Groot and Rocket animatronics aren’t in the pre-show, but not having them doesn’t really detract from the experience, it just would’ve made it that much better.

I have. It simply didn't impress me. It's a threadbare ride experience. Its massive size makes the lack of anything meaningful feel that much more noticeable. It's fun, sure. Roller Coasters are fun and this one has, as I said, a literal unique twist. But really there's no "there" there. Yes, it's fun, but when it comes down to it it's also pretty basic.

Even if you ignore the substantially, and I mean, substantially, it’s absolutely no comparison, better queue and exterior, at worst, the ride experience is a net-equal, not a net negative. There’s just no way. The coaster itself is still mediocre, and everything else is just lipstick on a pig. Sure, the lipstick changed colors, but even with very minimal projections, it’s easily an improvement (to me, I can understand seeing it as a net-equal, but it’s not like they ruined a masterpiece). It’s disappointing the ride doesn’t look better, but it’s sure as hell not some kind of disaster. It’s an extreme upgrade for the park as a whole.

Watch this video and explain to me why it's so impossible that someone could consider the Rock N' Roller Coaster version of the ride superior to what's opening this month:



I'm not saying the new version of the ride is a distaster. I'm also not saying their version of RNR was a masterpiece. I'm saying it took the one thing that was unique and visually appealing about the original onride experience, chucked it, and replaced it with almost nothing. The Exterior is of course better now. The queue is shinier with more to look at. But the visuals on the ride are practically null, and what is there is a dud.

Have you been on the DLP Rock N' Roller Coaster?
 

Sir_Cliff

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Watch this video and explain to me why it's so impossible that someone could consider the Rock N' Roller Coaster version of the ride superior to what's opening this month:



I'm not saying the new version of the ride is a distaster. I'm also not saying their version of RNR was a masterpiece. I'm saying it took the one thing that was unique and visually appealing about the original onride experience, chucked it, and replaced it with almost nothing. The Exterior is of course better now. The queue is shinier with more to look at. But the visuals on the ride are practically null, and what is there is a dud.

Have you been on the DLP Rock N' Roller Coaster?

For me, Rock'n'Roller Coaster was a really tired attraction and this at least refreshes it to something that will probably make people interested in riding it again. The use of concert lighting on the Paris RnRC was ok and fit the theme, but my personal feeling is that its main appeal was that it was relatively simple and arguably worked better than the DHS painted flats of Hollywood landmarks. Either way, it fit the bare bones aesthetic of the original WDSP and wasn't that great.

This version does have more darkness, but I suspect most guests will find the images of the characters more interesting and impressive than the concert lighting. I'm sure it could have been more, but I also think it seems to have done what it need to do in terms of refreshing a tired attraction as a fairly small part of a long and expensive project to raise the quality of the park's offerings. It certainly doesn't seem like a downgrade or a dud compared to the old Aerosmith version judging from the videos.
 
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tanc

Premium Member
I mean the queue is cool but the ride is an oof. This type of stuff honestly concerns me for the future of the Disney owned parks. Who's to say that other projects won't suffer? Cosmic Rewind seems amazing obviously. However, Spiderman, this, and all the new rides coming to the other parks. Plus the massively ambitious retheme Splash.

This ain't it chief, something weird is going on with WDI. I'm not sure Chapek is to blame but I think the departure of Rohde was a sign to me.
 

ToTBellHop

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Yes, I'm kind of surprised people are so down on this just from the videos. Do we have any reports from people who have been on it?
All I’ve read is that the queue is excellent and the ride is what was expected. RnRC with Iron Man and Captain Marvel.

I think some are failing to view this through the appropriation lens—for Disney, this was a relatively quick and inexpensive fix for an area that underperformed. It apparently looks and feels like it belongs in a Disney park, finally, and still leaves money for true additions elsewhere.

I’ve also read that the food is a huge upgrade for the park.

In short, this project dramatically improves many of WDSP’s serious shortcomings.

Would we prefer a $450m new coaster (when RnRC is fine as a coaster) if it meant one of the new areas in the expansion would be canceled?

I wish more care was given to upgrading DHS in a way that frugally improved dated attractions while still allowing for additions elsewhere. The inefficient use of funds at WDW is problematic.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
All I’ve read is that the queue is excellent and the ride is what was expected. RnRC with Iron Man and Captain Marvel.

I think some are failing to view this through the appropriation lens—for Disney, this was a relatively quick and inexpensive fix for an area that underperformed. It apparently looks and feels like it belongs in a Disney park, finally, and still leaves money for true additions elsewhere.

I’ve also read that the food is a huge upgrade for the park.

In short, this project dramatically improves many of WDSP’s serious shortcomings.

Would we prefer a $450m new coaster (when RnRC is fine as a coaster) if it meant one of the new areas in the expansion would be canceled?

I wish more care was given to upgrading DHS in a way that frugally improved dated attractions while still allowing for additions elsewhere. The inefficient use of funds at WDW is problematic.
I think I’d have preferred a few more visuals and more than a ride past some screens in the dark. But I’ll wait until I ride.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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All these people reviewing a dark coaster based upon a YouTube video…
I mean, the ride isn’t even open to the public yet, so I’m not sure what else we’re supposed to go off of at this point. It’s not like there’s nothing that can be perceived from the videos - the side by side comparison I posted above tells a pretty clear story.

When the day comes that I’m actually able to ride Flight Force I’ll be happy to change my tune if the overall experience is more impressive than it seems. But considering I’m only critiquing the ride’s new visuals, which are plainly visible to be few and far between, I don’t think I’m saying anything out of pocket. Combine that with the fact that I’ve ridden the previous version of the ride and it’s not like my opinion is wholly uninformed. The track and physical sensations haven’t changed.
 

SplashJacket

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I have. It simply didn't impress me. It's a threadbare ride experience. Its massive size makes the lack of anything meaningful feel that much more noticeable. It's fun, sure. Roller Coasters are fun and this one has, as I said, a literal unique twist. But really there's no "there" there. Yes, it's fun, but when it comes down to it it's also pretty basic.



Watch this video and explain to me why it's so impossible that someone could consider the Rock N' Roller Coaster version of the ride superior to what's opening this month:



I'm not saying the new version of the ride is a distaster. I'm also not saying their version of RNR was a masterpiece. I'm saying it took the one thing that was unique and visually appealing about the original onride experience, chucked it, and replaced it with almost nothing. The Exterior is of course better now. The queue is shinier with more to look at. But the visuals on the ride are practically null, and what is there is a dud.

Have you been on the DLP Rock N' Roller Coaster?

Yes. I rode Paris’s at least a dozen times. As I’ve stated in previous posts, the on ride experience Flight Force appears very underwhelming, but they by no means slaughtered a masterpiece and replaced it with garbage like they did with Figment. We may get a figment repeat with Splash, or we may get something great, who knows. We know this isn’t that situation. Everything is improved by miles except the actual ride experience, which, to be is a net-equal at worst. Personal preference could say Flight Force is slightly better or slightly worse, but it’s not gonna run in either direction by a mile.

Everything Flight Force adds is a massive win for the park. This part of the expansion is the cheap retheme part. Once they start fumbling Star Wars (which they won’t if they add Rise) and the other ground-up construction we can complain.
Yes, I'm kind of surprised people are so down on this just from the videos. Do we have any reports from people who have been on it?
I agree, Cosmic Rewind looks like donkey doo doo from videos. Looks like utter garbage. In contrast, Rise looks like the masterpiece it is, even if it’s that much better in person.

The lack of positive translation to video is honestly a bit of an issue in the modern social media age, but I digress, the actual ride is amazing. The visual and scenic value is incredible coupled with the ride’s motion makes for an all around fantastic experience.

Flight Force will always have been limited by RNRC’s original layout, which, to me, was mediocre, so it doesn’t have that going for it. It needed visuals to enhance the experience. What it replaced was fine and it seems to be fine now, but everything as a whole is a massive net-gain.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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Yes. I rode Paris’s at least a dozen times. As I’ve stated in previous posts, the on ride experience Flight Force appears very underwhelming, but they by no means slaughtered a masterpiece and replaced it with garbage like they did with Figment. We may get a figment repeat with Splash, or we may get something great, who knows. We know this isn’t that situation. Everything is improved by miles except the actual ride experience, which, to be is a net-equal at worst. Personal preference could say Flight Force is slightly better or slightly worse, but it’s not gonna run in either direction by a mile.

Everything Flight Force adds is a massive win for the park. This part of the expansion is the cheap retheme part. Once they start fumbling Star Wars (which they won’t if they add Rise) and the other ground-up construction we can complain.

I agree, Cosmic Rewind looks like donkey doo doo from videos. Looks like utter garbage. In contrast, Rise looks like the masterpiece it is, even if it’s that much better in person.

The lack of positive translation to video is honestly a bit of an issue in the modern social media age, but I digress, the actual ride is amazing. The visual and scenic value is incredible coupled with the ride’s motion makes for an all around fantastic experience.

Flight Force will always have been limited by RNRC’s original layout, which, to me, was mediocre, so it doesn’t have that going for it. It needed visuals to enhance the experience. What it replaced was fine and it seems to be fine now, but everything as a whole is a massive net-gain.
I don't know why you keep saying RNR was no masterpiece when I've freely admitted that several times. I'm not pretending that it was. But an overall downgrade to an attraction experience can still be unfortunate even if it wasn't the pinaccle of Imagineering.

They made the ride experience worse when the goal should have been to make it better. Given how low the bar was, it should have been relatively easy to do that. Instead, 75% of the ride is now just pitch black. I see no need to give them a pass on that.
 

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