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Transformative Multi-Year Expansion Announced for WDS Paris
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cjkeating
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It is a lot on paper and compared to what any normal theme park would spend but for Disney it was about as cheap as they come.
It is very much Disney "temporary" in that it will stay until they need the land for something else. After Frozen there are three expansion pads before this land would be required unless they choose to use this before then. So in the Disney timeline it could last until 2040.
Whilst it is cheap capacity now as the park (hopefully) gets busier this capacity will never not be needed.
cjkeating
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I don't really get why everyone is so nervous about future expansion at WDSP... the park has literally been under constant expansion since the day it opened. The only real reason why its expansion slowed was because it was during one of its verging on bankruptcy phases then the TWDC takeover phase and then then COVID pause which all makes the progress slower than it should have been.
It wouldn't surprise me if after Frozen they get in a 5 year major expansion cycle at WDSP (to help bridge the anniversary celebration gap years) supplemented by other placemaking improvements in WDSP and hopefully some select thematically appropriate ride investment in Disneyland Park.
It wouldn't surprise me if after Frozen they get in a 5 year major expansion cycle at WDSP (to help bridge the anniversary celebration gap years) supplemented by other placemaking improvements in WDSP and hopefully some select thematically appropriate ride investment in Disneyland Park.
SaveDinosaur
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Disney should have gone the Fantasy Springs route and opened three areas at once for the 2024 Olympics, that way they would have great capacity for the new influx of tourists that will come for the event and new lucrative opportunities, like more dining and spending across the resort, while leaving a time gap for Disneyland Park to receive something new in the near future...
Unfortunately, Iger probably wanted massive marketing pushes generated by opening one area per year...
Unfortunately, Iger probably wanted massive marketing pushes generated by opening one area per year...
cjkeating
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Olympics don't create the tourism boost that you would expect, at least not during the Olympics. I speak from experience from London 2012 when the city was dead because regular tourists didn't come (because all the hotels were fully booked or expensive) and locals where possible went on holiday out of London to avoid the Olympic chaos and workers worked from home where possible. Also the majority of the people who attend the Olympics are from the country they are hosted in, so their vacation time is used to visit the Olympic games. Yes there might be some crossover attending other tourist venues but it would be limited. So maybe a day trip to DLP but this will be at the cost of them not doing a 2/3/4 night stay.
The tourism boost comes afterwards, the Olympics is to an extent a 2 week tourism promotion for the city and country. I'm very much expecting DLP to have a soft 2024 Summer and I hope they have looked at previous Olympic trends to realise this themselves so a 2025 opening for Frozen could work well for them as it will give people who saw Paris 2024 a reason to visit in 2025.
SaveDinosaur
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Well, I actually live in Rio de Janeiro and the city was packed for the Olympics, to this day I have never seen so many tourists here, but maybe that is because we aren't a major tourist city like London. Anyway, I just think that with 2024 being a big year for Paris and Disney having more faith in DLP, they should have done like TDL and built three areas at once.
I think it also helped that they actually run public transport at its actual capacity all day every day (and without works/major downtime by some miracle) and basically cancelled everything else that London usually does (especially in the summer) to make it feel empty
. I think DLP's extra uptake in 2024 might depend on how the ticketing for the Pairs Olympics shakes out with these packages, if there are a lot of people with a day or two between events, I can see them heading to DLP for something different or because Paris itself operating as it usually would.
theodau
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A lot of people are talking about the Olympics but what do you expect from it?
Disneyland Paris is already located in the most visited city in the world AND in the most visited country in the world. However, DLP is not the most visited Disney resort... This proves that the relationship between tourism and park attendance is not that simple.
The Olympics won't make a lot of changes...
Disneyland Paris needs more cutting-edge attractions or even a new park to make it a real multiday destination, not a single day in a much larger trip to France.
Disneyland Paris is already located in the most visited city in the world AND in the most visited country in the world. However, DLP is not the most visited Disney resort... This proves that the relationship between tourism and park attendance is not that simple.
The Olympics won't make a lot of changes...
Disneyland Paris needs more cutting-edge attractions or even a new park to make it a real multiday destination, not a single day in a much larger trip to France.
It isn’t. But it has the most visited theme park in Europe
Hotel occupancy levels say it already is. Not to say it couldn’t attract more mind.
cjkeating
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Whilst maybe not happening at the speed everyone would like I think the current medium term plan will easily get another day out of visitors.
> New lands, night show and extended park operations in Walt Disney Studios Park
> Rebuilt and expanded Disney Village so its a place people will want to spend time
> Continued investment in new, seasonal and limited time entertainment in Disneyland Park
And with a longer term plan to get a new hotel built on the vacant lake pad.
The last thing the resort needs is another park right now, let's revisit that thought in 10 years.
Robbiem
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London 2012 was badly managed. Organisers were so scared of overload that they ran a big campaign encouraging people not to travel for the games. I remember the build up was crazy busy then when the games started no one without a games ticket went into town. As the games went on it got more busy and people flooded into the public events like the triathlon and the marathon. That level stayed for the time between the Olympics and the paras and then the olympics themselves. It was certainly a special time to be in the city.
Can’t really say if more people visited afterwards I didn’t notice but I get your point about the games being a big travel promo.
I think its interesting that we will have three games in a row in cities with disney parks, Tokyo was obviously not comparable with covid but I wonder if Disney will use Paris to see what they should / shouldn’t do in LA in 2028
EPCOTCenterLover
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I flew into London during the games for business. It was a mess.
fradz
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It has been rumored and talked about for a while but it's now confirmed by OutsidEars: No Tiana QSR (budget cut), and this take-away counter the replacement:
Exclusif - Pavillon Est, la dernière brique de la zone Lake Promenade - OutsidEars
Dans le cadre de l’extension des Walt Disney Studios, une toute nouvelle zone centrale verra le jour dans les années à venir. Cette zone Lake Promenade, articulée autour d’un lac conservait une dernière part d’ombre, et nous vous proposons en exclusivité de découvrir la dernière pièce du puzzle...
outsidears.fr
beat me to it!It has been rumored and talked about for a while but it's now confirmed by OutsidEars: No Tiana QSR (budget cut), and this take-away counter the replacement:
Exclusif - Pavillon Est, la dernière brique de la zone Lake Promenade - OutsidEars
Dans le cadre de l’extension des Walt Disney Studios, une toute nouvelle zone centrale verra le jour dans les années à venir. Cette zone Lake Promenade, articulée autour d’un lac conservait une dernière part d’ombre, et nous vous proposons en exclusivité de découvrir la dernière pièce du puzzle...outsidears.fr
I’ve said it before, I welcome the additional physical space. I welcome a proper night show.
But the regular opening offerings are looking a bit lacklustre. C’mon Bob. Open your bonus pocket.
Sir_Cliff
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Definitely.
The park feels like it is coming into its own and getting to the point of being a worthy second gate. Particularly with its popularity apparently picking up, though, it still feels a bit light on attractions, and the addition of the lake and Frozen Ever After doesn't look like it will change that very much. Honestly, even a relatively quick addition of a true Avengers Campus e-ticket and a smaller attraction for Frozen land would do a lot to at least round out the themed lands they already have. It's still kind of amazing they have Marvel to work with and seem so timid about using it in the parks; all signs are Avengers Campus is very popular at the studios, but still very small.
cjkeating
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When you say cut I don't remember ever seeing the Tiana QSR restaurant on any official blueprints that have been released? I feel like it was originally a plan like Alien Swirling Saucers but that all changed when the lake promenade theme was decided on? These kiosks have been on every blue print I remember seeing for a long time.It has been rumored and talked about for a while but it's now confirmed by OutsidEars: No Tiana QSR (budget cut), and this take-away counter the replacement:
Exclusif - Pavillon Est, la dernière brique de la zone Lake Promenade - OutsidEars
Dans le cadre de l’extension des Walt Disney Studios, une toute nouvelle zone centrale verra le jour dans les années à venir. Cette zone Lake Promenade, articulée autour d’un lac conservait une dernière part d’ombre, et nous vous proposons en exclusivité de découvrir la dernière pièce du puzzle...outsidears.fr
I’m still advocating for Rise. It would come with an environment to explore, requisite shops and eateries, but as an experience you get more bang for your buck - a good 20-30 minutes from first merge to exiting. Even without eating, this land could add an hour on the day - or 10% of the parks opening hours. Flight Force should’ve been a warning about doing it cheap.
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