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Toy Story Playland
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Goofyernmost
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Over the years since the end of the ride tickets, the classification of what is an E title has been left up to each individual to decide. Each individual bases it on their own personal ideas of what it should or shouldn't be. Even Disney is wise enough now not to label the rides with anything other then equality of quality. To me, for example, an E ticket is any ride that is popular and is in demand to be experienced. If that is Dumbo, then so be it. If it is ToT, that works too. If it's Star Tours, well who am I to argue. It really doesn't matter. I do know that when Disney was labeling the attractions it didn't have anything to do with the number of people it would "eat" constantly. It was by what they felt would be a draw. Sadly, based on it's popularity alone, Frozen in Epcot will be an E. It all depends on how we each feel about it. There is no longer any way of officially knowing what an E ticket ride is because it went the way of the dino's. It is currently extinct, doesn't exist and is meaningless.
doctornick
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This is the "It's a Big Land" part of the expansion. Some affordable, quick to build rides to increase capacity in the short term while the bigger, more impressive stuff comes later (much like Cars Land, TSMM, Little Mermaid and the Buena Vista St makeover came afterwards for DCA).
Nobody is arguing that this is some groundbreaking addition.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
3 out of 5 is still 60%. I would include Star Tours in that group so in my book 80% of the rides are e-ticket and TSMM actually gets lines like an E ticket. Forget the E vs D vs C distinction. The point is that 80% to 100% of current rides at DHS are "headliners". We all are assuming Star Wars adds 1 more headliner. The park needs more rides and a better mix.
Mike S
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The term E Ticket is used, as I understand it, to categorize the best examples of theming, scale, and quality of the ride experience. There is a very clear and distinct difference between this........
.............and this.
Even people who don't like Tower of Terror at all could admit that it's on a completely different level than Dumbo.
Goofyernmost
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Now, yes... but that isn't necessarily how it was defined in the beginning. It's still arbitrary now. If you like roller coasters it will be an E. If you don't, no matter how well themed, it will not be an E to you. If you love dark rides they will be an E. If you don't... sorry but no E. Just look at the way the Star Tours was put down as a D. You would be hard pressed to find any attraction that is better themed then that one, yet, it has a screen and an old school simulator so, sorry no E. I know a number of people that wouldn't ride ToT if you put a gun to their head. To them it is not even an A. I do not, at least in my mind, ever classify any attraction via the old letter codes. If I like it and I want to experience it, that to me is my personal top rating.
Disneyhead'71
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I never said anything about E-Tickets. And I am fully aware of the parks capacity issues. After 25 years they have worked their way all the way up to 5 rides. Impressive by no ones standard, I would say. And truly not my problem. I understand that they can bring these types of attractions online quickly and economically in a park dire for things to do. None of those are GOOD reasons to add carnival rides to a Disney Destination Theme Park Resort.
Now before you break out the "Walt used them in Disneyland" rationalization, yes he did. But let's give an honest look at the Disney Co.'s use of flat rides. In 1955 Disneyland opened with the carousel. One month later Dumbo came on line. In 1956 they added the teacups. 11 years later, as part of the 1967 Tomorrowland redo that included Mission to the Moon, the monorail, and the peoplemover, they added the Starjets. So up to 1967 they had 4 Disney attractions utilizing flat ride systems in their line up. Disney didn't add another flat ride into their line up until DCA opened in 2001. During that 37 year gap the Disney Co. opened 3 more destination theme park resorts around the globe that included 8 world class theme parks (would have been 9 had DCA not broken that streak). They taught the world how to develop world class theme parks without ever going back to using flat ride systems.
So, no, it's not OK to add flat rides to Disney Parks. Not DHS, not the MK, and not DCA. My wife had to pick my jaw up off the ground after I laid eyes on Mulholland Madness the first time. In a fleeting instant my faith in Disney was shattered and for the first time the tide of feeling ripped off started rising up my legs. It wasn't until my next trip to WDW that that feeling became a tsunami.
doctornick
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Right. That is what this comes down to. DHS needs (a lot) more rides and a better variety of rides. It's actually kind of interesting to compare DHS to DCA -- the parks share some similarities in terms of theme and have a number of shared attractions. They basically have a similar number and quality of headliner rides (ToT, RNR, GMR, Star Tours vs ToT, RSR, Soarin', GRR, California Screamin'), and DCA has an advantage of second level of rides (TSMM vs TSMM, Sky School, LM, Monsters). DHS has a mild advantage in shows (Muppets, Indy, LMA, VOLTM, BatB, Frozen, Disney Jr vs Muppets, Turtle Talk, Aladdin, Disney Jr, ITTBAB). But where DCA really overshadows DHS is by having a ton of flat rides, with a lot of variety (basically: Bug's Land, most of Paradise Pier, the Cars Land rides) -- that's basically the main difference between one park being "complete" and the other "a half day park".
Put an E-ticket in Star Wars, have 2-3 C-ticket secondary rides in Star Wars or Pixar and then add some flat rides and you basically will have two very comparable parks.
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Goofywilliam
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I dont understand why anyone would complain about Disney adding highly themed flat rides to DHS. Honestly flat rides are great at adding capacity and atmosphere to the parks. I would go as far to say that certain flat rides are as iconic to Disney as many E Tickets. DHS could benefit greatly from these rides and would really have wonderful little Toy Story themed area anchored by Midway Mania. As long as there is a balance between large attraction and smaller ones (which there would be in DHS) I see no problem with the new additions.
Disneyhead'71
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Never mind
Next Big Thing
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I agree with what you are saying as a whole in the rest of your post, but I wanted to address this specifically.
I don't want rides like Muholland Madness or areas like Chester & Hester. That's crap carnival stuff. (really, we can't say c r a p?)
But if you're telling me we're getting a potential LPS based flat-ride type thing, a clone of Maters, which is a very good for the type of ride it is, and RC Racer, i'm not going to complain too much as long as theming in the actual land itself is good. RC Racer is the only ride that is truly questionable if this rumor were to come to fruition, as it is very carnival-esque, but we'll see. I do really hope that they end up moving Pizza Planet in all of this.
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Goofywilliam
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I agree with you about DCA, its a hot mess (although getting better). The balance is definitely pushed more toward flat rides thanks to the paradise bay and bugs land areas. The kinetics are amazing though...
Goofywilliam
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Hopefully Toy Story land will not be anything like the awful Mulholland Madness and Chester and Hester
. Those are examples of flat rides that look cheap and add absolutely nothing to the atmosphere of the parks.
Disneyhead'71
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At least this will be subtle and blend well with the environment.Hopefully Toy Story land will not be anything like the awful Mulholland Madness and Chester and Hester
have you seen the concept art and actual plans?At least this will be subtle and blend well with the environment.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
When you say blend well do you mean the whole land or the larger rides sticking up in the air. Outside of the RC racer and Parachute rides I don't think the rest of that would be visible outside of Pixar Place. I'm thinking this would go behind the existing TSMM building and the former warehouse for backlot tour. The existing show buildings would block the "toys" from view. All rumors are the parachute is not coming. I still think RC Racer is a bad idea for sight line reasons. I don't want to see those orange tracks sticking up when I'm standing in front of ToT.At least this will be subtle and blend well with the environment.
I know I'm the minority opinion here, but I like the oversized toys themselves. If you replace RC racer and Parachute rides with Woody's Mater clone ride and another Toy Story flat ride the area works for me. It's kinda just an oversized extension of the TSMM queue area. I'm sure they will add in some form of merchandise area and maybe a food place.
RSoxNo1
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There is absolutely nothing on that attraction. It could be a worthwhile thing a la Storybook Land canal boats, but it's not.
flyerjab
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At least this will be subtle and blend well with the environment.
Just like how Suess Landing blends so well with WWOHP up the road.
It is an interesting question though that I have been wondering myself about this complete makeover of DHS to DHA. I was listening to a Len Testa/Jim Hill podcast about this DHS makeover that is coming and they were discussing this very issue regarding mashing of different themes together. I am trying to visualize how you merge a Pixar Place Land with a Star Wars Land and the early Hollywood look of the front of the park with Tower of Terror and throw in RNRC to boot.
I suppose if things are sufficiently spread out it shouldn't be too terrible of an issue. Even in MK you can see Space Mountain from different lands within that park. I just think (and hope) that this rumored Pixar expansion with smaller kid friendly rides could turn out to be nice for this park, but I want to believe that it won't be a cookie-cutter version of both DLP and HKDL. I know Jim even mentioned that there has been discussion about adding a new carousel to this area. That could be a nice addition.