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Toy Story Land expansion announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios

bhg469

Well-Known Member
I don’t see how SWGE makes DAK dead. FoP is consistently with a 3 hour wait and overall is arguably the best park. Even after a few years, I don’t see it happening. If anything, it will bring more tourists to WDW (because that’s what we need). There will be other days people will want to go to different parks. Contrary to popular belief, the world doesn’t revolve around Star Wars.
It will be more than potter level insanity. Sure FoP will still draw but only because it is the new thing to do. And no the world doesn't revolve around star wars but for a few years, it absolutely will seem like it. As far as more tourists? Yes... that is exactly what they want. It doesn't matter that there is no slow season anymore, they want those parks crammed with people every single day with every ride, meal and show pre determined before they get there. Tourists are by far the most important group that they care about.
 

AKL2003

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Im obviously beating a dead horse here...but there would be alot less pessimism if TDO hadnt completely cut a third phase/land from the original plans. I think people are disappointed that this is pretty much (at this point in time) half of a very expensive and long promised upgrade to a park that needs so much more!!!
 

MisterPenguin

Rumormonger
Premium Member
Was anyone thinking that?
They thought that, too, with the GotG coaster.

Can't blame them. When I hear "coaster" I always think high speed and thrills. The fact that BTMR, 7DMT, and EE aren't called "coasters" seems to fit in that they're not really the big thrill ride of a "real coaster" but another creature that happens to make use of a coaster system. But RnRC has "coaster" in the name and it is indeed a bit thrilling.

So... while WDW has been calling Slinky, "Slinky Dog Dash," during construction, however, we kept calling it a "coaster" which brings about misunderstood expectations.

It's not a coaster people... it's a "dash"!!
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
They thought that, too, with the GotG coaster.

Can't blame them. When I hear "coaster" I always think high speed and thrills. The fact that BTMR, 7DMT, and EE aren't called "coasters" seems to fit in that they're not really the big thrill ride of a "real coaster" but another creature that happens to make use of a coaster system. But RnRC has "coaster" in the name and it is indeed a bit thrilling.
Well, maybe the words Toy Coaster covers that little problem. Who knows!
 

Kman101

Well-Known Member
Yes, only one brain cell is required for this :hilarious:
I'm going to hope you mean only one brain cell required for the land ;) lol

Well, I get the need for the rides and I don't have a problem with them. I also get why people are upset this is what we're getting as half of a big makeover that still won't fill the parks needs. What if we got rid of the spinners and tea cups and various other minor rides (and, actually, I'd be just fine with that but I still understand the need to use them in the park to flesh it out, I can put my personal opinion aside).... the parks need to be fleshed out.

I'm not saying you Martin (your post was just a jumping off point), but I'm sorry Toy Story isn't the preferred option. It probably wasn't mine either, but it's here and I'm not going to dislike something on principal, but more power to those who do, nothing wrong with it.
 

andysol

Well-Known Member
I'm not saying you Martin (your post was just a jumping off point), but I'm sorry Toy Story isn't the preferred option. It probably wasn't mine either, but it's here and I'm not going to dislike something on principal, but more power to those who do, nothing wrong with it.
Right. The beauty about kid rides, Bs and Cs- is that they can fit in small spaces. You don’t need 11 acres.

It should have been a true Pixar place area. Monsters inc door coaster, an up or Wall-E dark ride, and an Incredibles simulator. Could’ve fit 3 solid rides w/ fleshed out mini lands in there + TSMM. Instead we get a couple identical spinners and a moderate coaster. 11 acres.

They could have rethemed RNRC to any number of themes and knocked down the sunset showcase building and built a handful of kiddie and spinners over there. Instead, we get a short lived villain party.

Regardless- I don’t want to beat a dead horse. My opinion is known on the matter. It’s over- this has its place, it fills a demographic that was needed, etc. But those who want to complain about the efficiency and maximization of space are well within their right. From now to eternity.
 

rreading

Premium Member
I'm going to hope you mean only one brain cell required for the land ;) lol

Well, I get the need for the rides and I don't have a problem with them. I also get why people are upset this is what we're getting as half of a big makeover that still won't fill the parks needs. What if we got rid of the spinners and tea cups and various other minor rides (and, actually, I'd be just fine with that but I still understand the need to use them in the park to flesh it out, I can put my personal opinion aside).... the parks need to be fleshed out.

I'm not saying you Martin (your post was just a jumping off point), but I'm sorry Toy Story isn't the preferred option. It probably wasn't mine either, but it's here and I'm not going to dislike something on principal, but more power to those who do, nothing wrong with it.
We’re a bit difficult to please.

It kills me that they took out the park’s original people eater rather than update it when the park needs high capacity rides - particularly rides which are distinctive. The Great Movie Ride was a classic. While it’s possible that putting the mouse in the center of the park is a BIG step backwards needed to move forward- they haven’t shown evidence of that.

What does make sense is to convert the useless Pixar place street with it’s lame though popular orphan ride into a very popular region of the park. I have no doubt that this section of DHS will be well received.

Could it be better done? I’m sure we would say that everything over the last 20 years could have been better done (except Disney Springs - which is nicer than a mall has any right to be). Pandora gets close. New Fantasyland could have been better....

I’m looking forward to having it as park of a well fleshed-out park.
 

rreading

Premium Member
Right. The beauty about kid rides, Bs and Cs- is that they can fit in small spaces. You don’t need 11 acres.

It should have been a true Pixar place area. Monsters inc door coaster, an up or Wall-E dark ride, and an Incredibles simulator. Could’ve fit 3 solid rides w/ fleshed out mini lands in there + TSMM. Instead we get a couple identical spinners and a moderate coaster. 11 acres.

They could have rethemed RNRC to any number of themes and knocked down the sunset showcase building and built a handful of kiddie and spinners over there. Instead, we get a short lived villain party.

Regardless- I don’t want to beat a dead horse. My opinion is known on the matter. It’s over- this has its place, it fills a demographic that was needed, etc. But those who want to complain about the efficiency and maximization of space are well within their right. From now to eternity.
My rebuttal - and this point has certainly been made by others - is that Pixar Land would be like Disneyland- a mismash of completely disparate ideas. A Wall-E dark ride doesn’t fit next to Monsters inc any more than than MILF fits near Space Mountain.

I wouldn’t say that I would dislike your suggestion. Just shows that we all have different perspectives.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Right. The beauty about kid rides, Bs and Cs- is that they can fit in small spaces. You don’t need 11 acres.

It should have been a true Pixar place area. Monsters inc door coaster, an up or Wall-E dark ride, and an Incredibles simulator. Could’ve fit 3 solid rides w/ fleshed out mini lands in there + TSMM. Instead we get a couple identical spinners and a moderate coaster. 11 acres.

They could have rethemed RNRC to any number of themes and knocked down the sunset showcase building and built a handful of kiddie and spinners over there. Instead, we get a short lived villain party.

Regardless- I don’t want to beat a dead horse. My opinion is known on the matter. It’s over- this has its place, it fills a demographic that was needed, etc. But those who want to complain about the efficiency and maximization of space are well within their right. From now to eternity.
I don't disagree with you, but, everyone should take a look at DL when it first opened or MK, as far as that goes and it was sadly lacking in sufficient number of things to do. Yet, over the years it expanded, things were added and DL is now like being locked in a closet and even MK has a crowded feel to it. The era of instant gratification hopefully will end soon so people can enjoy what there is and not constantly lament about the things that aren't. Toy Story Land should be interesting to adults, but, seriously it was designed to amuse the whole family from the reasonably young to the morbidly old. It is what it is supposed to be. If the land is a failure, we will know soon enough, but, I truly doubt it will be.
 

Kman101

Well-Known Member
Right. The beauty about kid rides, Bs and Cs- is that they can fit in small spaces. You don’t need 11 acres.

It should have been a true Pixar place area. Monsters inc door coaster, an up or Wall-E dark ride, and an Incredibles simulator. Could’ve fit 3 solid rides w/ fleshed out mini lands in there + TSMM. Instead we get a couple identical spinners and a moderate coaster. 11 acres.

They could have rethemed RNRC to any number of themes and knocked down the sunset showcase building and built a handful of kiddie and spinners over there. Instead, we get a short lived villain party.

Regardless- I don’t want to beat a dead horse. My opinion is known on the matter. It’s over- this has its place, it fills a demographic that was needed, etc. But those who want to complain about the efficiency and maximization of space are well within their right. From now to eternity.
Oh I completely agree with you on this. My personal preference would be Monster's Inc. Door Coaster and moving over Laugh Floor. Still adding Toy Story Land, but also adding Cars Land where Star Wars is going. Push Star Wars past Star Tours into the back area and parking lot. Add an Indiana Jones boat ride to where the stunt show is. Add Mickey and Mickey in a new build, not replacing GMR. Update the GMR. Overhaul Animation Courtyard. Overhaul the dated shows.

Heck I'd have even gone a step further. I wish we had a Toontown in DHS. Roger Rabbit would fit right in.

Sigh.

There's so much more I'd do, but for what we're getting, I don't think TSL is awful. But it should be a small part of a much larger expansion than what we're getting. Star Wars and TSL are great but we need MUCH more.

I don't mind 11 acres on this land because it includes three rides that seem solid (I agree the space could still be used better), even though I don't like Mania very much, but I seem to be outranked on that by the throngs of guests that defend it and rush to experience it. And this is a park that has the benefit of expansion spaces (not a lot but they could more cleverly use some of them if they're willing to really commit to changing the layout) so the large land doesn't bother me as much but I agree in theory that an 11 acre land could offer SO MUCH more. It should have been a true "Pixar Place", I agree. But I think we could have it all. The full TSL land PLUS a true Pixar Place. But that costs $$ :/

And, for better or worse, the focus now seems to be on one-IP themed lands. Thanks, Harry ;)

Look at Shanghai Disneyland. Sure, Fantasyland has different IPs, but Tomorrowland is basically "Tron" (with a side dash of Buzz), Treasure Cove is "Pirates of the Caribbean", Adventure Isle is "Roaring Rapids". Gone are the days of a fully fleshed out land with several experiences tied to the overall theme of the land. Sure those lands do have other things to do but it's very focused on the IP.
 
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marni1971

WDW History nut
Premium Member
I don't disagree with you, but, everyone should take a look at DL when it first opened or MK, as far as that goes and it was sadly lacking in sufficient number of things to do. Yet, over the years it expanded, things were added and DL is now like being locked in a closet and even MK has a crowded feel to it. The era of instant gratification hopefully will end soon so people can enjoy what there is and not constantly lament about the things that aren't. Toy Story Land should be interesting to adults, but, seriously it was designed to amuse the whole family from the reasonably young to the morbidly old. It is what it is supposed to be. If the land is a failure, we will know soon enough, but, I truly doubt it will be.
I think the complaint more is for the space available and the amount it cost we should have gotten more.
 

Kman101

Well-Known Member
We’re a bit difficult to please.

It kills me that they took out the park’s original people eater rather than update it when the park needs high capacity rides - particularly rides which are distinctive. The Great Movie Ride was a classic. While it’s possible that putting the mouse in the center of the park is a BIG step backwards needed to move forward- they haven’t shown evidence of that.

What does make sense is to convert the useless Pixar place street with it’s lame though popular orphan ride into a very popular region of the park. I have no doubt that this section of DHS will be well received.

Could it be better done? I’m sure we would say that everything over the last 20 years could have been better done (except Disney Springs - which is nicer than a mall has any right to be). Pandora gets close. New Fantasyland could have been better....

I’m looking forward to having it as park of a well fleshed-out park.
I totally get why they designed Mickey and Minnie to fit into the GMR space and I'm really looking forward to the ride, I'm hoping it's clever, original, and fun. It sounds like it will be. But it's in the wrong spot. The frustrating thing about this DHS makeover is that they take a few steps forward and then several steps backwards (like many of their decisions, actually). They have to know this park needs more than it's getting. They have to know it made more sense to put Mickey and Minnie elsewhere, but they didn't want to spend the money to update GMR. I wish we had better people making these decisions.

I also think Cars Land was MADE to be at the end of Streets of America, replacing the stunt show and catastrophe canyon. But hey, what do I know?
 
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