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Toy Story Land expansion announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios

BrianLo

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Im obviously beating a dead horse here...but there would be alot less pessimism if TDO hadnt completely cut a third phase/land from the original plans. I think people are disappointed that this is pretty much (at this point in time) half of a very expensive and long promised upgrade to a park that needs so much more!!!
I obviously agree that this is not enough. In the grand scheme of things the old, old rumours was this major project ran through 2021 and that was pretty much it for the entirety of WDW. Maybe loose change for one MK and a single Epcot project.

While the third phase is long-dead, the projects we are getting through 2021/2 are technically much more than expected from just the DHS proposal alone. Which was essentially a slightly beefier (in expense only) Toy Story land, Ratatouille/Monster coaster and a much less ambitious Star Wars offering topping out 2021. Some show updates and perhaps some simple budget overlays, definitely nothing as extreme as M&MRR, plus parking garages (definitely no gondola).

The only reason I'm not disgruntled today is that there seems to be several viable 2022/2023 proposals floating around that may wind up at DHS, so really that's sort of equivalent in the end. I can wait a couple extra years for DHS to get something else if it means every other park doesn't have to be neglected.
 
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I obviously agree that this is not enough. In the grand scheme of things the old, old rumours was this major project ran through 2021 and that was pretty much it for the entirety of WDW. Maybe loose change for one MK and a single Epcot project.

While the third phase is long-dead, the projects we are getting through 2021/2 are technically much more than expected from just the DHS proposal alone. Which was essentially a slightly beefier (in expense only) Toy Story land, Ratatouille/Monster coaster and a much less ambitious Star Wars offering topping out 2021. Some show updates and perhaps some simple budget overlays, definitely nothing as extreme as M&MRR, plus parking garages (definitely no gondola).

The only reason I'm not disgruntled today is that there seems to be several viable 2022/2023 proposals floating around that may wind up at DHS, so really that's sort of equivalent in the end. I can wait a couple extra years for DHS to get something else if it means every other park doesn't have to be neglected.
I can wait too if it benefits WDW as a whole!! Delayed gratification is fine by me as long as the payoff is there...I am thoroughly excited about what has already been announced and what is to come (even if that takes the next 10 years)...its been a long time coming...if TDO can "spread the wealth" (and the crowds )with the new offerings whilst rounding out all 4 parks...sign me up!!
 
I obviously agree that this is not enough. In the grand scheme of things the old, old rumours was this major project ran through 2021 and that was pretty much it for the entirety of WDW. Maybe loose change for one MK and a single Epcot project.

While the third phase is long-dead, the projects we are getting through 2021/2 are technically much more than expected from just the DHS proposal alone. Which was essentially a slightly beefier (in expense only) Toy Story land, Ratatouille/Monster coaster and a much less ambitious Star Wars offering topping out 2021. Some show updates and perhaps some simple budget overlays, definitely nothing as extreme as M&MRR, plus parking garages (definitely no gondola).

The only reason I'm not disgruntled today is that there seems to be several viable 2022/2023 proposals floating around that may wind up at DHS, so really that's sort of equivalent in the end. I can wait a couple extra years for DHS to get something else if it means every other park doesn't have to be neglected.
This isn't my memory at all. My understanding is that the MGM makeover we anticipated several years ago consisted of a SWL comparable to the one currently being constructed, but replacing Indy and Echo Lake and extending the park barriers by replacing a significant portion of the parking lot; a Pixar land containing the Monsters door coaster and a modified, possible shortened RSR; and a phase three that was always somewhat nebulous but possibly focused on Indy. I don't recall the precise timing, but a Mickey ride, possibly located in the Animation Courtyard and thus leaving GMR as is (was), has been a part of the plan for a while. We also expected replacements for the incredibly tired VLMM, Indy, and B&B shows. Even the TSL we are getting has been dramatically cut down from earlier proposals, as made most evident by the art work they still, deceptively, use to promote the land.

If my recollection is incorrect, those with better memories can correct me. But that makeover, which we've been anticipating for over a decade, dwarfs the totality of what we are getting now at all four parks.

As for future MGM projects, the only strong rumors I've seen are possible replacements for the aging live shows and layovers to RnRC and ToT. The impression I've gotten from insiders - and again, I might be wrong - is that execs think SWL pretty much fixes the park, which won't need any more attractions for quite a while.
 
Bummer. I was hoping for 36" for Slinky Dog. I suspect my daughter will be quite disappointed because unless she has an unexpected growth spurt, I think she will likely be just a bit too short for Slinky Dog and 7DMT when we go in November.
When I played basketball in high school we all had shoes that made us two inches taller just get her some of those :)
 

DisneyDaver

Well-Known Member
When I played basketball in high school we all had shoes that made us two inches taller just get her some of those :)
I was thinking it means that when my wife sees my daughter's disappointment, my wife will be more likely to cave in to my suggestion that we go back to WDW again the following April :) My wife has agreed to annual WDW visits ... I'm pushing for twice a year :)
 
This isn't my memory at all. My understanding is that the MGM makeover we anticipated several years ago consisted of a SWL comparable to the one currently being constructed, but replacing Indy and Echo Lake and extending the park barriers by replacing a significant portion of the parking lot; a Pixar land containing the Monsters door coaster and a modified, possible shortened RSR; and a phase three that was always somewhat nebulous but possibly focused on Indy. I don't recall the precise timing, but a Mickey ride, possibly located in the Animation Courtyard and thus leaving GMR as is (was), has been a part of the plan for a while. We also expected replacements for the incredibly tired VLMM, Indy, and B&B shows. Even the TSL we are getting has been dramatically cut down from earlier proposals, as made most evident by the art work they still, deceptively, use to promote the land.

If my recollection is incorrect, those with better memories can correct me. But that makeover, which we've been anticipating for over a decade, dwarfs the totality of what we are getting now at all four parks.

As for future MGM projects, the only strong rumors I've seen are possible replacements for the aging live shows and layovers to RnRC and ToT. The impression I've gotten from insiders - and again, I might be wrong - is that execs think SWL pretty much fixes the park, which won't need any more attractions for quite a while.
You are good until the last paragraph. They know the rides under construction aren’t enough and are developing an additional E-ticket. Unfortunately it will (or would—let’s see if it happens) come too late to prevent insane crowds starting Fall 2019.
 

Derrit

Well-Known Member
You are good until the last paragraph. They know the rides under construction aren’t enough and are developing an additional E-ticket. Unfortunately it will (or would—let’s see if it happens) come too late to prevent insane crowds starting Fall 2019.
Anything they do with star wars will cause insane crowds.

What they should be doing is adding a lot more capacity to DHS outside of what we're getting with Toy Story and mickey so the park doesn't close due to capacity with the surge of attendance from SW: GE.
 
Anything they do with star wars will cause insane crowds.

What they should be doing is adding a lot more capacity to DHS outside of what we're getting with Toy Story and mickey so the park doesn't close due to capacity with the surge of attendance from SW: GE.
The new development is not Toy Story or Star Wars or Mickey.
 
Anything they do with star wars will cause insane crowds.

What they should be doing is adding a lot more capacity to DHS outside of what we're getting with Toy Story and mickey so the park doesn't close due to capacity with the surge of attendance from SW: GE.
Are these rides eating up alot of people though? Roller coasters have notorious slow loads.
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
This isn't my memory at all. My understanding is that the MGM makeover we anticipated several years ago consisted of a SWL comparable to the one currently being constructed, but replacing Indy and Echo Lake and extending the park barriers by replacing a significant portion of the parking lot; a Pixar land containing the Monsters door coaster and a modified, possible shortened RSR; and a phase three that was always somewhat nebulous but possibly focused on Indy. I don't recall the precise timing, but a Mickey ride, possibly located in the Animation Courtyard and thus leaving GMR as is (was), has been a part of the plan for a while. We also expected replacements for the incredibly tired VLMM, Indy, and B&B shows. Even the TSL we are getting has been dramatically cut down from earlier proposals, as made most evident by the art work they still, deceptively, use to promote the land.

If my recollection is incorrect, those with better memories can correct me. But that makeover, which we've been anticipating for over a decade, dwarfs the totality of what we are getting now at all four parks.

As for future MGM projects, the only strong rumors I've seen are possible replacements for the aging live shows and layovers to RnRC and ToT. The impression I've gotten from insiders - and again, I might be wrong - is that execs think SWL pretty much fixes the park, which won't need any more attractions for quite a while.
There was an even earlier proposal where there were four phases, as you mentioned. Phase 4 not truly being part of the original proposed budget.

But Toy Story and Star Wars in most iterations were always two of them. Star Wars as phase 3 (echo lake) was to reuse several buildings. I assume that made it a bit of a lesser version, but maybe not. All the projects (RSR/Star Wars/Toy Story/Pixar land with Rat and Monsters Inc/Indy) represent a series of competing projects. I think the presumption that there was ever a chance for all of them was incorrect. The best laid plans (not the blue sky WDI hopes) never included more than 4 totally new build E-tickets.

I think the Monsters Inc doorcoaster died for the third TSMM track. Which we forget is sort of part of this project still.


I guess the question is should Star Wars have stayed a phase 3? That’s a bit of a hard call. I think it makes sense to try and get in the same year as DL, but they need a strong follow up.
 
A newbie to this site (first post), so forgive me if this is the wrong place to ask about Toy Story Land rumors. Here’s my long question about Toy Story Mania.

It was already announced that the FastPass+ for Toy Story Mania will be down (standby only) from April 9th-May 7th. But now that the opening of Toy Story Land isn’t until June 30th I’m wondering about what is going to happen with the entrance for Toy Story Mania in this almost 2 month block following May 7th. Would they really close the ride for that long in a park that already doesn’t have many rides? Would they go back to FastPass+ for the ride after May 7th until the opening of Toy Story Land and only right before the opening close off the old entrance to the ride? Perhaps the ride would only be accessible to APs in some type of soft opening during June (although this would be odd to make the ride no longer available to other guests IMO).

I know it’s likely just speculation at this point but I’m interested in everyone’s thoughts about what they see as likely to happen to the ride during this almost 2 month block between May 7th and June 30th. My fam will be there June 10th-15th (so in a way this is a self-interested rumor request), not sure the ride will be open to all guests just a couple weeks before Toy Story Land opens.
 

marni1971

WDW History nut
Premium Member
You are good until the last paragraph. They know the rides under construction aren’t enough and are developing an additional E-ticket. Unfortunately it will (or would—let’s see if it happens) come too late to prevent insane crowds starting Fall 2019.
More Indy isn’t greenlit for DHS. But they do have a hole now Tron has gone to the MK.
 

matt9112

Well-Known Member
You are good until the last paragraph. They know the rides under construction aren’t enough and are developing an additional E-ticket. Unfortunately it will (or would—let’s see if it happens) come too late to prevent insane crowds starting Fall 2019.
what they need is freaking MASSIVE CAPACITY D tickets....why's everything have to be the hottest ride on the block? solid high capacity people eaters. (theater shows, omni mover ect) and for arguments sake I'm sure you can do high capacity cutting edge if you want.

we need things to do while waiting for fast passes. things you can walk into or minimal wait times. but maybe the average disney guest enjoys 100 minute waits I don't know.
 

lazyboy97o

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what they need is freaking MASSIVE CAPACITY D tickets....why's everything have to be the hottest ride on the block? solid high capacity people eaters. (theater shows, omni mover ect) and for arguments sake I'm sure you can do high capacity cutting edge if you want.
That’s just more of the same problem. The parks need small experiences that don’t generate huge demand but can be discovered.
 
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