jt04
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and vice versa. Seriously, the lack of critical thinking skills and the epidemic of group think is as astounding as it is troubling.
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Tour buses collide at EPCOT toll plaza..
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and vice versa. Seriously, the lack of critical thinking skills and the epidemic of group think is as astounding as it is troubling.
miles1
Active Member
Not to imply that anyone involved in this was lucky, but this could have been a lot worse. The low number of people on the bus indicates that everyone was probably seated. I shudder when I think about would have happened had it been a typically packed Disney bus with 10 or 15 standees.
If the driver has made an error, its something that can't be reversed. We should be thankful that eventually everyone will come out of this OK and Disney will undoubtedly take measures to make sure it doesn't happen again.
If the driver has made an error, its something that can't be reversed. We should be thankful that eventually everyone will come out of this OK and Disney will undoubtedly take measures to make sure it doesn't happen again.
HMF
Well-Known Member
Of course and our incompetent justice system will let them get away with it.
brkgnews
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Kamikaze
Well-Known Member
Even if you completely rule out layout of the WDW Resort and cost as problems, you still aren't hitting the major one.
A monorail is a terribly inefficient way of moving the guest flow that Disney sees.
Can you imagine the line at closing for the monorail to go back from MK to your group of resorts?
During the day, sure, it would be great. But for peak transport times? Not even close to being efficient.
bjlc57
Well-Known Member
Well I was there...
my wife and I were at Epcot waiting for the bus..when the accident happened.. we saw the medvac copter land.. we were right on the other side of the hill..
one.. you don't leave a bus in a driving lane.. broken down or not.. you pull off the road..
two.. it seem that the driver didn't have much of a chance to stop ..or didn't realize that the bus was STOPPED.. who stops and leaves a bus in a driving lane?
there is a lot of fault to go around here.. lets not hang one guy until you know the whole story..
my wife and I were at Epcot waiting for the bus..when the accident happened.. we saw the medvac copter land.. we were right on the other side of the hill..
one.. you don't leave a bus in a driving lane.. broken down or not.. you pull off the road..
two.. it seem that the driver didn't have much of a chance to stop ..or didn't realize that the bus was STOPPED.. who stops and leaves a bus in a driving lane?
there is a lot of fault to go around here.. lets not hang one guy until you know the whole story..
Ziggie
Member
Link to the 911 call...
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...s-911-call-disney-bus-crash,0,4103872.mp3file
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...s-911-call-disney-bus-crash,0,4103872.mp3file
raven
Well-Known Member
At that location there isn't a shoulder on the side of the road. The ground slopes downward away from the road making it difficult for a bus to keep upright if it were to pull off. Also in this area are the plastic sticks they place on the side of the road and in between lanes to keep vehicles in their lane. They are spotty in that area but they are only 10' apart making it impossible for a bus to leave the road.
Just for future reference, if you are ever on property and have an emergency and need to call 911, ask to be transfered to Disney's Reedy Creek. They will understand the area you are in much easier and will be able to respond faster due to being directly on property.
castlecake2.0
Well-Known Member
I was going to say too that if you ever need 911 a Cast Member can call Reedy Creek directly from any 'house phone' in the park instead of a guest using a cell phone that would go to Orange County...
Ziggie
Member
protiius
Member
Not again! I hope the repercussions for both the passengers and TDO are minimal. The Disney transportation system has taken such a beating lately that the safety record must've been drastically affected, considering that pre-2009 there hadn't been a single bus/monorail crash on property (correct me if I'm wrong).
LudwigVonDrake
Well-Known Member
I was curious if anyone knows whether Disney mandates their drivers to take annual safety refresher classes? Here in NY, First Student makes their drivers take 2 two hour refresher courses a year (January and August). If they don't take them you will be not be allowed to drive. I think it would be a good idea for Disney to adopt something similar (if they don't do it already).
WDWExplorer
Banned
update... a 5 year old boy that was on the bus fractured his pelvis in 2 places:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...urt-disney-bus-crash-20100326,0,2580032.story
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...urt-disney-bus-crash-20100326,0,2580032.story
Ziggie
Member
How awful
Did everyone see this part...
Investigators say the Disney bus driver never braked.
StinkyLeslie
New Member
If the bus were stopped in the traffic lane without its hazards on or the drivers foot on the brake, you could come up on it pretty quickly before you noticed that it was completely stopped especially in congested traffic conditions. Without flashers or lit tail lights it can be hard to judge a vehicles intentions. I've had similar issues in NJ with our ever widening roadways and shrinking shoulders and on the NJ Turnpike and Garden State Parkway where we have enormous toll plazas (15+ Lanes).
luckyeye13
New Member
Yes, you are wrong on the bus accident count. The difference is that there wasn't a news headline made of every single bus accident that happened until the monorail crash. I remember one time, when I was working as a Modified Work Coordinator, I got a call from the Disney legal people because they needed to speak with a Cast Member who had been on our program recently. Apparently, they had some questions to ask him because he had been involved in an accident with a WDW bus. (The way that the person on the phone made it sound, the accident was the fault of our former CM.) Back in 2007, such incidents didn't yet appear in the local news, so I wouldn't have even known about it had Disney legal not called up my area by mistake, instead of the CM's regular area. Also, according to another CM that we had on the program, the training that her husband, a WDW bus driver, received told them not to swerve if a collision with a small vehicle was imminent because, while neither scenario is desirable, it is less of a tragedy for the four or five people in the car to be potentially killed than it is for the up to 73 people (the Guest capacity plus the driver) to face the same fate if the bus flips over (which could happen due to the center of gravity on a bus). (I actually witnessed the same thing happen to an SUV that was behind me once after I stopped suddenly due to the driver ahead of me also stopping suddenly when a deer decided that it had to cross the road right at that moment. For some reason, the driver behind me didn't notice until the last moment, even though she had plenty of room to stop, and turned to avoid hitting my car and ended up flipping her SUV on its side! Luckily, she was okay, even if her SUV wasn't.) So be sure to think about that the next time that you think about cutting a bus off because I am sure that this training is not unique to Disney!
Even with the monorail system, there have been collisions between trains and work equipment, but they did not lead to fatalities. Although WDW is a fantasy world, it is still located in the real world, which means that, unfortunately, bad things will still happen.
erstwo
Well-Known Member
How awful
Did everyone see this part...
Investigators say the Disney bus driver never braked.
If that is true, if he never braked, it makes me think Disney buses are pretty safe. Obviously not "buckled into a seat" safe. But to rear end another vehicle at full speed, without braking at all, and to have no loss of life, is pretty amazing.
Not withstanding the higher power I believe obviously had a hand in this
, I would consider this something that speaks positively about the buses Disney uses. (not saying anything about the drivers until we know more.)
Tom
Beta Return
If that is true, if he never braked, it makes me think Disney buses are pretty safe. Obviously not "buckled into a seat" safe. But to rear end another vehicle at full speed, without braking at all, and to have no loss of life, is pretty amazing.
Not withstanding the higher power I believe obviously had a hand in this
Excellent point.
No matter how bad this seems, it could have always been worse - someone could have died. A ruined vacation is merely an inconvenience, when you could be going to a funeral.
Ziggie
Member
If that is true, if he never braked, it makes me think Disney buses are pretty safe. Obviously not "buckled into a seat" safe. But to rear end another vehicle at full speed, without braking at all, and to have no loss of life, is pretty amazing.
Not withstanding the higher power I believe obviously had a hand in this
I wonder how fast the Disney bus was going? (just curious...)