Tour buses collide at EPCOT toll plaza..

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
Yes. Thank you. I don't mind speculation based on evidence that is seen. It's the automatic "bus crashed... must have been a cell phone" that I don't like. Same thing happened in the early bit of the monorail crash speculation.

(Although, "Thread Monitor" does sound like a wonderful title to have under my username :lookaroun)

No problem. Not much you can do about the occassional troll.......:)
 

Tigger#1

Active Member
I would love for the entire resort to have been serviced by the monorail system but with the layout of the parks and resorts I don't believe it is possible.
Not unlike the high speed rail service we are suposed to get that no one will ride.
 

RiversideBunny

New Member
Brings a song to mind-

Every day I get in the queue (Too much, the Magic Bus)
To get on the bus that takes me to you (Too much, the Magic Bus)
I'm so nervous, I just sit and smile (Too much, the Magic Bus)
Your house is only another mile (Too much, the Magic Bus)
Thank you, driver, for getting me here (Too much, the Magic Bus)
You'll be an inspector, have no fear (Too much, the Magic Bus)
I don't want to cause no fuss (Too much, the Magic Bus)
But can I buy your Magic Bus? (Too much, the Magic Bus)
Nooooooooo!

:)
 

Ziggie

Member
I believe he was giving the driver the presumption of innocence in this thread, not telling anyone to neither think nor speculate.....

Ok then, my bad. All is forgiven :kiss:

Yes. Thank you. I don't mind speculation based on evidence that is seen. It's the automatic "bus crashed... must have been a cell phone" that I don't like. Same thing happened in the early bit of the monorail crash speculation.

(Although, "Thread Monitor" does sound like a wonderful title to have under my username :lookaroun)

No, I don't automatically think it was a cell phone (just for the record). My fear is that if it was something like that, then it would make me feel even sadder.

No problem. Not much you can do about the occassional troll.......:)

Excuse me? I've been here 2 years longer than you have :ROFLOL:
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
Ok then, my bad. All is forgiven :kiss:



No, I don't automatically think it was a cell phone (just for the record). My fear is that if it was something like that, then it would make me feel even sadder.



Excuse me? I've been here 2 years longer than you have :ROFLOL:

And yet you've posted all of 135 times in that stretch......
 

BrerFrog

Active Member
Brings a song to mind-

Every day I get in the queue (Too much, the Magic Bus)
To get on the bus that takes me to you (Too much, the Magic Bus)
I'm so nervous, I just sit and smile (Too much, the Magic Bus)
Your house is only another mile (Too much, the Magic Bus)
Thank you, driver, for getting me here (Too much, the Magic Bus)
You'll be an inspector, have no fear (Too much, the Magic Bus)
I don't want to cause no fuss (Too much, the Magic Bus)
But can I buy your Magic Bus? (Too much, the Magic Bus)
Nooooooooo!

:)

The Who reference! +1 :sohappy:
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
Your point? What's that got to do with anything?

Five years, 138 posts, and you automatically make assumptions as to the posts of others. If you were more active on these boards perhaps you would not assume the worst about what others write....
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
I agree.

The call for next the generation of transport comes from a lack of understanding regarding the reality of how quests move about the property.

In one sense the property is like a city with rush hours. In the morning, you move a large group of people to the parks. In the evening you return them home. Realisticly, that amounts to about 3 horus in the morning and 2 hours at night. It is also a consistent observation of all resorts and parks for those time periods. Rail based vehicles would work but the wait times would increase because you can't easily increase the number of trains on a certain route.

The bigger problem, however, is that mini rush hours pop up at resorts and parks unpredictably during the day. Rail is not flexible enough to handle these situations even with their increased capacity.

In addition, if rail were instituted, there would be one stop at each resort out of both financial and operational concerns. People would certianly hate that. It is also likely that one train would not just service one resort but would serve several. Imagine the train that leaves Magic Kingdom serving WIlderness Lodge, Fort WIlderness, Port Orleans Riverside and French Quarter, Old Key West , Saratoga Springs and Downtown Disney. That could be quite a trip for a guest who just wants to get home at Saratoga Springs. Not to mention, once they arrive at the resort, in order to get to their section, they would then either walk or take an internal bus making several stops to get clsoer to their rooms.

Busses provide a flexible, cost effective solution to the realities of moving the people around the property. It may not be the most magical but there is no magic in hiking half a mile to your resort with a couple of sleepy toddlers in tow.

Actually I have thought through a lot of scenarios and a mix of relatively inexpensive systems could revolutionize transport at Disney. The idea would not be to eliminate busses but rather to create efficiencies. For instance the light rail you describe is not how to approach it as it's not efficient. So far starters Disney could add a covered pedestrian walk, with moving sidewalks from Wilderness Lodge to the TTC. Very similar and even shorter than the Uni parking to CW configuration. Now we have a way from the WL to the MK and Epcot via monorail.

And we have a segment to build on.
 

raven

Well-Known Member
Managers drove to those locations and found the bus drivers sleeping/taking unauthorized breaks. The drivers were fired on the spot.

-Rob

I wish we had those managers in our department. 75% of the CMs would be gone.

PURELY SPECULATION:

Given this photo...

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I wonder if perhaps the WDW bus driver was trying to keep an eye on the "merge point" to his left; and thus didn't quite notice a stopped bus in front of him. I've seen plenty of cars jet across multiple lanes from that curved ramp on the left to get over toward the right-hand tollbooths; I certainly keep an eye to my left when I drive through that part of property. People will do stupid stuff, and do it quickly, to try to avoid a line at the ticket plaza. So it would stand to reason that perhaps the driver looked ahead and saw a bus in the right lane (which is where they always wind up); supposedly its flashers were on, but thus far I've heard nothing to indicate it had out those hazard triangles that CDL vehicles are supposed to put out when they're disabled. So it's possible the WDW driver glanced ahead and saw a bus in the lane where buses normally are... didn't think much of it... and started concentrating a bit more on passenger vehicles zooming in from the left.

Again, PURE SPECULATION on my part.

Bus drivers are trained well. There is still no excuse to take your eyes off the road in front of you. They know the route well and could've slowed down well in advance for such things. I still believe it was simply a case of stupidity.

Last night I mentioned the wreck to a fellow CM. She said just 2 days ago she was tailgated by a Disney Bus trying to get into her lane to get off on a ramp. The bus got within 2 feet of her car trying to push her faster. She put her arm out the window and flipped him off. She said "I hope they had guests on board to see that and how ignorant he was." :lol:
 

Ziggie

Member
When we go, we always have a car with us, so we don't ride the bus very often. I do remember though, a few months ago, buses passing us at a fast clip. It was remarkable enough that I asked my husband if the speed limits were changed because of how fast they were moving.

Also, I think buses, while serving a very useful purpose, are no longer as efficient as they once were.
 

niteobsrvr

Well-Known Member
I wish we had those managers in our department. 75% of the CMs would be gone.



Bus drivers are trained well. There is still no excuse to take your eyes off the road in front of you. They know the route well and could've slowed down well in advance for such things. I still believe it was simply a case of stupidity.

Last night I mentioned the wreck to a fellow CM. She said just 2 days ago she was tailgated by a Disney Bus trying to get into her lane to get off on a ramp. The bus got within 2 feet of her car trying to push her faster. She put her arm out the window and flipped him off. She said "I hope they had guests on board to see that and how ignorant he was." :lol:

cast members are, by far, the last group of people on disney property who should be complaining about bus drivers. Consider that orange county sherriff's office runs their speed traps on propert at the exact times of day that cast are either coming to work or leaving in large numbers. They have been doing this for several years now and they are not lacking in people to stop for violating traffic rules.

Yes, some of the bus drivers would benefit from refresher drivers training but so could some of the cast.
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
Yes. Thank you. I don't mind speculation based on evidence that is seen. It's the automatic "bus crashed... must have been a cell phone" that I don't like. Same thing happened in the early bit of the monorail crash speculation.

(Although, "Thread Monitor" does sound like a wonderful title to have under my username :lookaroun)
Amazing' how know one ever blames the people at the top..
 

mickey2008.1

Well-Known Member
ok, i have read the whole thread, and yet i see no where that anybody states any facts other than the pictures. Lets look at our own cities, here in cleveland, tis kind of thing happens everymonth,maybe not the rearending, but the accident of public transportation, and just because its disney we expect more. I expect the same from any public transaportation anywhere. It happens everywhere, even in wdw, it cannot be helped. The best training and all protocols, it can and will happen. Just because its disney does not mean it is perfect. Alot of things can happen anywhere anytime. If it was a plane going to disney, are we still going to balme upper management at disney? Accept it, it happens to all of us. What if it was you driving the bus? Is everyone perfect: answer= NO!
 

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