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Tour buses collide at EPCOT toll plaza..
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Thanks for the info.
Ziggie
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From WESH:
LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. -- A Disney bus driver was charged on Tuesday following a crash that sent him and seven passengers to area hospitals last week.
Jean Valentin was cited by the Florida Highway Patrol for careless driving in the March 23 crash.
Investigators also said the actions of a second bus driver did contribute to the severity of the collision.
The second bus was driven by a contractor for Mears Transportation. It was apparently stopped in a through lane while the driver was performing a safety check because of a strange noise.
Authorities said Valentin crashed the Disney bus he was driving into the back of the other bus. The crash temporarily blocked access to the Epcot parking lot toll plaza.
Valentin was pinned under the steering wheel of the bus and had to be removed by rescue workers.
"For failure to see the bus stopped, and passengers on the bus did indicate to troopers that they did notice the bus stopped, he has to use due care. He failed to stop and ran into the back of the bus," Florida Highway Patrol Sgt. Kim Montes said.
A representative for Walt Disney World said Valentin was on leave and the factors of the crash are under review.
.... also....
Disney bus driver ticketed in crash
Orlando Sentinel
The driver of a Walt Disney Word bus involved in a crash that injured eight people is being ticketed for careless driving, Florida Highway Patrol troopers said today.
Jean Valentin, 42, of Orlando, rear-ended an empty tour bus for Waldorf Astoria Orlando on Epcot Center Drive. The tour bus was stationary in the right-hand lane near the parking toll plaza near Epcot.
The tour bus' emergency lights were flashing, but there were no skid marks or other evidence that Valentin applied his breaks, said FHP spokeswoman Sgt. Kim Montes.
Bus occupants told Troopers that Valentin was not on a cell phone or radio, Montes said. There was no evidence Valentin had a medical condition that could have prompted the accident.
The Disney bus pushed the tour bus forward 39 feet, Montes said.
Firefighters took about 15 minutes to cut Valentin from the wreckage. He was seriously injured and taken to Orlando Regional Medical Center.
Seven tourists from Arkansas, Ohio, New Mexico, and New York, were taken to Florida Hospital Celebration Health and Dr. P Phillips Hospital.
Troopers determined the driver of the tour bus was stopped improperly. Deborah Martin, 57, of Ocoee had done so to check on a possible mechanical problem.
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Happy to hear there were no cell phones involved.
LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. -- A Disney bus driver was charged on Tuesday following a crash that sent him and seven passengers to area hospitals last week.
Jean Valentin was cited by the Florida Highway Patrol for careless driving in the March 23 crash.
Investigators also said the actions of a second bus driver did contribute to the severity of the collision.
The second bus was driven by a contractor for Mears Transportation. It was apparently stopped in a through lane while the driver was performing a safety check because of a strange noise.
Authorities said Valentin crashed the Disney bus he was driving into the back of the other bus. The crash temporarily blocked access to the Epcot parking lot toll plaza.
Valentin was pinned under the steering wheel of the bus and had to be removed by rescue workers.
"For failure to see the bus stopped, and passengers on the bus did indicate to troopers that they did notice the bus stopped, he has to use due care. He failed to stop and ran into the back of the bus," Florida Highway Patrol Sgt. Kim Montes said.
A representative for Walt Disney World said Valentin was on leave and the factors of the crash are under review.
.... also....
Disney bus driver ticketed in crash
Orlando Sentinel
The driver of a Walt Disney Word bus involved in a crash that injured eight people is being ticketed for careless driving, Florida Highway Patrol troopers said today.
Jean Valentin, 42, of Orlando, rear-ended an empty tour bus for Waldorf Astoria Orlando on Epcot Center Drive. The tour bus was stationary in the right-hand lane near the parking toll plaza near Epcot.
The tour bus' emergency lights were flashing, but there were no skid marks or other evidence that Valentin applied his breaks, said FHP spokeswoman Sgt. Kim Montes.
Bus occupants told Troopers that Valentin was not on a cell phone or radio, Montes said. There was no evidence Valentin had a medical condition that could have prompted the accident.
The Disney bus pushed the tour bus forward 39 feet, Montes said.
Firefighters took about 15 minutes to cut Valentin from the wreckage. He was seriously injured and taken to Orlando Regional Medical Center.
Seven tourists from Arkansas, Ohio, New Mexico, and New York, were taken to Florida Hospital Celebration Health and Dr. P Phillips Hospital.
Troopers determined the driver of the tour bus was stopped improperly. Deborah Martin, 57, of Ocoee had done so to check on a possible mechanical problem.
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Happy to hear there were no cell phones involved.
techiegsy
Member
Imagine noticing that the bus had stopped as a passenger and seeing your bus continue travelling straight into it...
But I am surprised this isn't seen more often considering the amount of travel
Disney buses do and some of the driving you see.
Monorail_Orange
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:brick::brick::brick:
For some reason, this statement simply irritates the tar out of me. Maybe it has something to do with all the posts apportioning blame to the Disney Bus driver in the first place, or perhaps my own post reflecting that in almost every scenario, the Disney driver had the lion's share of fault - with the exception of my medical condition theory (now, obviously not viable).
Regardless of the additional factors involved - in practically every disaster it is a culmination of errors that it at fault - I don't believe anyone ever denied the "Disney side of the equation" in this accident, minus the one explanation that several people felt that would absolve some of Disney's fault- "Gee, how do run into the back of a stationary bus? - well, maybe the driver was incapacitated by a medical condition."
At no time, however, has anyone not thought the "Disney side of the equation was apparent." It was. Painfully so.
So take a deep breath, and Have a Disney Day! :hammer:
HMF
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I am not blaming the driver as much as I am TDO.
Monorail_Orange
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HMF
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I really do not understand how this kind of thing keeps happening yet no higher-up in transportation gets released. Then again I don't understand how 95% of TDO still have their jobs.
Tom
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I'm failing to see how this was MORE Disney's fault than it was the Disney Bus Driver's fault.
The driver is at fault. He drove full speed into the back of a parked bus. The OTHER driver is also at fault for parking her bus in a drive lane, but at least she had her flashers on.
Disney obviously shared a lot of the blame in the monorail accident - we all know that. Between lack of training, failure to follow and implement proper protocol, and other unsafe working conditions, Disney contributed to the fatal accident.
In this case, saying that Disney should have implemented a bigger monorail system 20 years ago and that it would have prevented this accident is just plain silly. What if they HAD built mass transit, and last week one of the mass-transit trains had slammed into another one, or hit a bird and blew up? Then people would be saying, "If they had stuck with buses like I told them to, this accident wouldn't have happened."
This is not TDO's fault. People need to accept a thing called personal responsibility. We know that the driver wasn't suffering from a heart attack, and that he had plenty of time to stop (since passengers saw the situation first). It seems apparent that he was distracted by something, so I guess people will say that Disney was distracting him with the radio, or the logbook, or the GPS machine.
HMF
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TDO hired him' TDO was responsible for training him they obviously did not do a good job' It is TDO's fault.
I have warned you before about bringing logic and reason into a Disney transportation thread. A Disney transportation thread needs already dis-proven hair brained ideas, fake cost estimate data, and knee jerk reactions to what in any other place in the world would be considered at best a bad accident. I will need to to fabricate a feasibility study on resort guests being issued jet packs before you post in this thread again.I'm failing to see how this was MORE Disney's fault than it was the Disney Bus Driver's fault.
The driver is at fault. He drove full speed into the back of a parked bus. The OTHER driver is also at fault for parking her bus in a drive lane, but at least she had her flashers on.
Disney obviously shared a lot of the blame in the monorail accident - we all know that. Between lack of training, failure to follow and implement proper protocol, and other unsafe working conditions, Disney contributed to the fatal accident.
In this case, saying that Disney should have implemented a bigger monorail system 20 years ago and that it would have prevented this accident is just plain silly. What if they HAD built mass transit, and last week one of the mass-transit trains had slammed into another one, or hit a bird and blew up? Then people would be saying, "If they had stuck with buses like I told them to, this accident wouldn't have happened."
This is not TDO's fault. People need to accept a thing called personal responsibility. We know that the driver wasn't suffering from a heart attack, and that he had plenty of time to stop (since passengers saw the situation first). It seems apparent that he was distracted by something, so I guess people will say that Disney was distracting him with the radio, or the logbook, or the GPS machine.
Tom
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Wow. What a.....I'll be nice.....silly thing to say. I didn't see any sarcasm emoticon, so I have to assume you're actually serious.
If YOU screw up and do something stupid one day at your job, is it your employer's fault? No. Hardly. You can't prevent every stupid thing that every person does!
The driver had everything he needed to safely drive that bus. He failed. Unless a Disney covert-ops guy jumped on the bus and blindfolded the driver, Disney did NOT cause this wreck.
I'm sure Disney will be part of the inevitable lawsuits, but that's just because everyone is greedy (especially their TV attorneys).
Good grief.....
Tom
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I have warned you before about bringing logic and reason into a Disney transportation thread. A Disney transportation thread needs already dis-proven hair brained ideas, fake cost estimate data, and knee jerk reactions to what in any other place in the world would be considered at best a bad accident. I will need to to fabricate a feasibility study on resort guests being issued jet packs before you post in this thread again.
Master Yoda....you're right. I'm sorry. I will go sit in the corner and think about what I've done.
Tom
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HMF
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As it should be. It's a two way street. TDO cuts training budgets, that leads to poorly trained Bus Drivers. poorly trained Bus Drivers leads to accidents. accidents lead to accountability. Accountability has to be divided between both TDO and the driver.
Tom
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You keep assuming this is because of "failure of training". I consider myself to be fully trained on the operation of my personal vehicle, but I could still ram the back of a car stopped on the interstate for no reason.
It would be mostly my fault for being distracted and not seeing the parked car. It would be partly their fault for parking their car in an interstate travel lane. But it definitely wouldn't be the DMV's or Driver Ed's fault for not training me on how to specifically avoid this situation.
Everyone is SOOOOO quick to blame Disney for every issue, just because they've had a few black marks in recent history. A little ridiculous.
HMF
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I would be a little more forgiving if I did not have the Monorail incident, the first bus incident and the Pirate Stage Show incident to see that something is horribly wrong.