Tour buses collide at EPCOT toll plaza..

[Master Yoda]

I would be a little more forgiving if I did not have the Monorail incident, the first bus incident and the Pirate Stage Show incident to see that something is horribly wrong.

The monorail crash was a perfect storm of errors. IMHO complacency caused the monorail crash. Trying to lump the pirate stage show accident into this is an unbelievable stretch as it was for the most part a slip and fall incident. It would have been just as probable for me to trip over my own two feet and take a fatal header into a wall.

 

[Tom]

The monorail crash was a perfect storm of errors. IMHO complacency caused the monorail crash. Trying to lump the pirate stage show accident into this is an unbelievable stretch as it was for the most part a slip and fall incident. It would have been just as probable for me to trip over my own two feet and take a fatal header into a wall.

Right!

Monorail crash was definitely a RARE circumstance, resulting in a chain reaction of coincidences and the culmination of many separate errors.

Pirate and Indy Stunt Show accidents were definitely mis-steps. Not from a lack of training....more from a lack of "luck" in those given moments in time.

Bus crash was an accident resulting from a distraction or lapse in judgement.

Richard, it's like arguing with a wall.

 

[jakeman]

I would be a little more forgiving if I did not have the Monorail incident, the first bus incident and the Pirate Stage Show incident to see that something is horribly wrong.

You didn't answer the question.

Do you have evidence other than your own assumption that training budgets have been cut?

 

[lazyboy97o]

I am not blaming the driver as much as I am TDO.

TDO hired him' TDO was responsible for training him they obviously did not do a good job' It is TDO's fault.

As it should be. It's a two way street. TDO cuts training budgets, that leads to poorly trained Bus Drivers. poorly trained Bus Drivers leads to accidents. accidents lead to accountability. Accountability has to be divided between both TDO and the driver.

I would be a little more forgiving if I did not have the Monorail incident, the first bus incident and the Pirate Stage Show incident to see that something is horribly wrong.

If you know how to train drivers so as to prevent all future accidents you are the most desired man in the world. I have a feeling you do not. Sorry, but your history of posts show that you just like to go after certain persons and this just shows a desire to go after Team Disney Orlando. Dragging the Pirate stunt accident into this just further demonstrates this, as it was deemed a true accident. Mentioning one recent bus accident also ignored all past accidents that have occurred over the years.

 

[HMF]

If you know how to train drivers so as to prevent all future accidents you are the most desired man in the world. I have a feeling you do not. Sorry, but your history of posts show that you just like to go after certain persons and this just shows a desire to go after Team Disney Orlando. Dragging the Pirate stunt accident into this just further demonstrates this, as it was deemed a true accident. Mentioning one recent bus accident also ignored all past accidents that have occurred over the years.

I never suggested myself for that role. As for my problems with Team Di$ney Orlando you are partially correct that I have problems with them. Some relatively trivial (Space Mountain Refurb)others quite serious (The discussion at hand.) But if there is a possibility that innocent people can get hurt by negligent business practices shouldn't I call them out on it? This is exactly how the Pressler/Harris era at Disneyland ended.

 

[wm49rs]

I never suggested myself for that role. As for my problems with Team Di$ney Orlando you are partially correct that I have problems with them. Some relatively trivial (Space Mountain Refurb)others quite serious (The discussion at hand.) But if there is a possibility that innocent people can get hurt by negligent business practices shouldn't I call them out on it? This is exactly how the Pressler/Harris era at Disneyland ended.

There's a bit of a difference between negligence in an accident, and negligent business practices.....

 

[Master Yoda]

I never suggested myself for that role. As for my problems with Team Di$ney Orlando you are partially correct that I have problems with them. Some relatively trivial (Space Mountain Refurb)others quite serious (The discussion at hand.) But if there is a possibility that innocent people can get hurt by negligent business practices shouldn't I call them out on it? This is exactly how the Pressler/Harris era at Disneyland ended.

That is all well and good but you have not provided one shred of evidence that Disney is guilty of "negligent business practices". What you are doing is no different than someone trying to spread 2012 doomsday paranoia because he "thinks" it is true. What we have seen so far is human error not system or equipment failure. If the bus accident was caused by bad breaks because Disney was pushing back the maintenance schedules then you would have a case but it was caused by simple human error. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[Uncle Lupe]

^
That reminds me that I need to book my trip for next year just in case of 2012.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I never suggested myself for that role. As for my problems with Team Di$ney Orlando you are partially correct that I have problems with them. Some relatively trivial (Space Mountain Refurb)others quite serious (The discussion at hand.) But if there is a possibility that innocent people can get hurt by negligent business practices shouldn't I call them out on it? This is exactly how the Pressler/Harris era at Disneyland ended.

After awhile it starts to look more like a fishing expedition based on third hand accounts rather then serious criticisms.

 

[duffthor]

Are we seriously saying it takes specialized training not to run into a parked bus?

 

[niteobsrvr]

As it should be. It's a two way street. TDO cuts training budgets, that leads to poorly trained Bus Drivers. poorly trained Bus Drivers leads to accidents. accidents lead to accountability. Accountability has to be divided between both TDO and the driver.

You can make the complaint regarding lack of training to drive a bus, but you have no evidence that will back you up.

Let me tell you why.

Bus driver training, 10 to 12 years ago, used to take three weeks which included learning to drive a bus and obtain your commercial drivers license plus route training. This was not particular to Disney as many transit agencies had programs similar to this. You could add one more week if drivers in the training class were also being taught the book portion in order to take the written test required to obtain a commercial driver's license learner's permit. The Disney Organization does not train you to take the tests.

From the Disney Jobs website: A Florida Commercial Driver License (CDL) is not necessary to apply for the Bus Driver role, but will be required if hired into the role. Interested Candidates must have possessed a driver license for at least 7 years to be considered.

Disney training now lasts 6 weeks while most other organizations still train for 4 weeks or less.

Having trained people to drive, I can tell you that this is more than sufficient. In the case of commercial driving, you are mostly teaching the person how to handle the vehicle due to its size. The defensive driving skills, while still taught as a refresher, should have been mastered long ago for most folks.

This is not a training issue. It is an individual circumstance issue.

 

[SOLISIMO]

Does anyone know how many buses Disney operates? How many miles these buses travel each day? The numbers have to be quite high. I believe their transportation system is very safe. Accidents can and do happen, even at the happiest place on earth.

Very valid point, these buses are on the road close to 24/7 so the statistics of it happenning are high. Some people do not seem to realize that. Like my Sheriffs department chooses to be self insure bc we have a high accident rate, same concept, always on the road.

Hope everyone is ok

 

[Ziggie]

Imagine noticing that the bus had stopped as a passenger and seeing your bus continue travelling straight into it...

This.

I would think some of those people might need therapy after seeing something like that.

 

[SOLISIMO]

This.

I would think some of those people might need therapy after seeing something like that.

Yeah, imagine the people standing too plus it being spring break Im sure that bus was packed

 

[techiegsy]

I would think some of those people might need therapy after seeing something like that.

Yes, I could see this worrying people, hopefully only a few saw it...

Yeah, imagine the people standing too plus it being spring break Im sure that bus was packed

Luckily only 7 went to hospital so it can't have been to full...

I never suggested myself for that role. As for my problems with Team Di$ney Orlando you are partially correct that I have problems with them. Some relatively trivial (Space Mountain Refurb)others quite serious (The discussion at hand.) But if there is a possibility that innocent people can get hurt by negligent business practices shouldn't I call them out on it? This is exactly how the Pressler/Harris era at Disneyland ended.

The problem is, is this man truly innocent. Yes Space Mountain is not amazing and they are cutting back, but making assumptions about cut backs in areas you don't know about is stupid. Disney can only train people so far, maybe "Tradition" is cut back which is shame, but this is safety and you can only train for so many eventuality's. I don't think this can lead to blame Disney more than a blaming the driver. Sorry.

Disney training now lasts 6 weeks while most other organizations still train for 4 weeks or less.

^ This.

 

[raven]

Disney bus driver ticketed in crash
Orlando Sentinel

The driver of a Walt Disney Word bus involved in a crash that injured eight people is being ticketed for careless driving, Florida Highway Patrol troopers said today.

Jean Valentin, 42, of Orlando, rear-ended an empty tour bus for Waldorf Astoria Orlando on Epcot Center Drive. The tour bus was stationary in the right-hand lane near the parking toll plaza near Epcot.

The tour bus' emergency lights were flashing, but there were no skid marks or other evidence that Valentin applied his breaks, said FHP spokeswoman Sgt. Kim Montes.

Bus occupants told Troopers that Valentin was not on a cell phone or radio, Montes said. There was no evidence Valentin had a medical condition that could have prompted the accident.

The Disney bus pushed the tour bus forward 39 feet, Montes said.

As I said in an earlier post, a case of driver stupidity. But then I was ridiculed for being a CM and making that statement.

As a "guest" a few years back we were on a bus coming out of Pop Century when the driver decided to try and rush the gate at security leaving the resort. The arm came down but he thought he could make it. He slammed on his breaks to stop from hitting it and everyone standing flew forward and a few guests hit the floor. Several guests, including myself, complained to guest relations after boarding but the driver was see a few days later on another route.

 

[Ziggie]

As I said in an earlier post, a case of driver stupidity. But then I was ridiculed for being a CM and making that statement.

As a "guest" a few years back we were on a bus coming out of Pop Century when the driver decided to try and rush the gate at security leaving the resort. The arm came down but he thought he could make it. He slammed on his breaks to stop from hitting it and everyone standing flew forward and a few guests hit the floor. Several guests, including myself, complained to guest relations after boarding but the driver was see a few days later on another route.

I've seen some wild crazy bus driving too.. in the horrendous August rains. Sorry someone ridiculed you.