Tomorrowland-New D & E Ticket and Aesthetic overhaul

[Mem11]

It smacks of being rude because the tone and context you are using it in is rude. I understand that you dont agree with what he does but calling him by his name is just basic common manners. I mean it takes less time to write Iger than it does to write the Weatherman.

You really need to chill, Mr. Iger is a big boy and I'm sure he can take being referred to by his former occupation. By the way, calling someone by their last name only can be condescending in itself, and besides I did capitalize the "W" and Weatherman & Radar seem to work so well :wave: ...

You do seem to have a knack for attacking the messenger and ignoring the message. So I guess Mr. Iger's stated goal of little to no original ideas in the parks is something you approve of??? I await your answer(attack) with bated breath...

 

[Mem11]

100% Agree. :sohappy:
I think this shows short-term thinking instead of investing in the long term. Just look at how timeless HM, SM, BTM, PotC, and most other original MK attractions are. THESE are Disney's signature attractions, the ones everyone thinks about when WDW is mentioned. My vote is for more of these original attractions - starting from scratch and building an entirely immersive environment/story without any preconcieved expectations.

Unfortunately the powers in charge don't seem to see the value in this. They figure if they build an attraction based on one of their properties, more people will become aware of said property and buy a whole lot of merchandise associated with it and or the beloved established property will entice more people into the parks - a win win, Disney can't lose .

I'd be just as disappointed if they said there would be no more attractions based on any Disney properties. There has always been a mix in the parks, but lately it seems to have been skewed to one side. Someone said in another thread that the Fan's can be their own worst enemies - I agree. Whenever a new Disney/Pixar movies comes out Disney boards throughout the world light up with ideas on how said movie could be turned into an attraction. Disney management sees this and says, see we're just giving them what they want.

Hopefully someday we'll see some more original ideas from WDI pop up in the parks... Maybe even in my lifetime.

 

[RSoxNo1]

So you're saying the last original idea was EE, which was announced almost 9 years ago under a different CEO???

I may be wrong, but I believe when Iger took over in 2005 he pretty much said most if not all new attractions would be based on the vast Disney library of properties.

Let's see since 2005 what new original ideas for attractions have been announced or built... New Fantasyland - Nope; Toy Story Mania - Nope; The Seas With Nemo & Friends - Nope; Carsland - Nope; Avatarland - Nope; Star Tours 2.0 - Nope; and my favorite Gran Fiesta Tour Starring The Three Caballeros - Nope...

Not that there is anything wrong with these additions - it's good to get something, but it doesn't appear "new original ideas" from Imagineering are on the Weatherman's radar screen. Which is a shame, as it appears the company has lost confidence in or just doesn't care to let WDI work it's magic.

Disney attractions have been based on both original concepts and existing entities since 1955. I also think that character infusion has a time and a place. I don't always think that an original land is better than a land based off an existing entity, but a reasonable argument can be made that the most cohesive lands in WDW are those that are original, or more specifically "destination based" (Africa, Asia, World Showcase, Liberty Square).

What I think is happening is that the layers of suits between the creative people and the bean counters has a different approach than what happened in years past. Personally, I think Carsland is going to be an impressive land, but I believe that there were other concepts that may have been better thematically. The problem was that they were a harder sell to the executives that feel obligated to look at how to sell the land.

The danger in this thinking is that there are presumably people that think that if they build something innovative it needs to have a franchise attached to it. Mission: SPACE didn't have that franchise tie and I'm sure there are some that think that was part of the problem with it not hitting with guests (nope, it had nothing to do with the deaths). On the contrary, Soarin' doesn't have a franchise tie but is wildly popular.

I think this problem is a function of a lousy marketing department that can't or won't market individual attractions that should be a draw to the demographics that Disney currently struggles with (young adults). Building quality attractions regardless of the commercial tie in should be enough for any marketing department.

Its extremely rude to call Mr. Iger the Weatherman. You can disagree with his decisions but show respect it is not hard.

What do you have against weathermen?

 

[Mem11]

Disney attractions have been based on both original concepts and existing entities since 1955. I also think that character infusion has a time and a place. I don't always think that an original land is better than a land based off an existing entity, but a reasonable argument can be made that the most cohesive lands in WDW are those that are original, or more specifically "destination based" (Africa, Asia, World Showcase, Liberty Square).

We were probably posting at the same time, but if look up you will see that we agree. The only issue I have is that current management has abandoned the idea that a new original attraction/land is a good idea/money maker.

What I think is happening is that the layers of suits between the creative people and the bean counters has a different approach than what happened in years past. Personally, I think Carsland is going to be an impressive land, but I believe that there were other concepts that may have been better thematically. The problem was that they were a harder sell to the executives that feel obligated to look at how to sell the land.

Absolutely, I don't think they have the confidence in themselves or the fans to accept an untried/untested original concept.

The danger in this thinking is that there are presumably people that think that if they build something innovative it needs to have a franchise attached to it. Mission: SPACE didn't have that franchise tie and I'm sure there are some that think that was part of the problem with it not hitting with guests (nope, it had nothing to do with the deaths). On the contrary, Soarin' doesn't have a franchise tie but is wildly popular.

I think this problem is a function of a lousy marketing department that can't or won't market individual attractions that should be a draw to the demographics that Disney currently struggles with (young adults). Building quality attractions regardless of the commercial tie in should be enough for any marketing department.

Great points and probably is the reason I don't think we will see any changes in Disney's approach, until a new management team takes over with different ideas.

 

[Tom]

What do you have against weathermen?

Exactly! One of my friends from college became a weatherman and is on TV in Texas somewhere. He'd take offense if he thought someone was implying "Weatherman" is a derogatory term.

 

[pppapazo]

I love the spaceport theme. When they originally redid Tomorrowland in 95, they made it look retro and futuristic. The real problem with it now, it its just "beat up". Instead of totally retheming it, put in a new ride/attraction where Stitch is, spruce up the place, perhaps add some shade (yes there will be trees in the future).

The two big things that could be done are to add a major attraction between Buzz and COP, and second either update or demolish the speedway, its the most delapadated attraction in the park and serves no excitement to anyone.

I absolutely agree. The exterior and visual theming of the '95 Tomorrowland update was fantastic and continues to hold up, because it's not anchored by any real sense of the future like prior Tomorrowlands. This was especially true when its two new anchor attractions were about alien(encounter)s and robot(timekeeper)s.

What Tomorrowland really needs is some new attractions and to finally expand the theme beyond Rockettower Plaza, specifically replacing the Speedway with something approaching relevance.

 

[El Grupo]

I'd prefer seeing Carousel of Progress moved to Future World. Seems a logical place to me since Epcot has been referred to as a permanent World's Fair and CoP got it's start at the '64 NY World's Fair. Plus, the park and attraction both celebrate innovations.

In addition I'd like to see the Speedway re-themed as a Cars attraction and moved, along with MILF to DHS as part of an expanded Pixar Place.

Then, use all the open space in TL for new attractions that all complemented the land's theme.

Just my $.02.

 

[ScorpionX]

Has an attraction ever been moved from one WDW Park to another before?Would WDW ever consider moving something like Laugh Floor?

Yes, a 3D show called Magic Journeys was moved from EPCOT Center to the Magic Kingdom in 1986.

 

[Captain Neo]

Marni any plans for the peoplemover tracks at Disneyland?

 

[marni1971]

Marni any plans for the peoplemover tracks at Disneyland?

Several. Hopefully one will surface after RSR is done and dusted. And hopefully it's the last plan I heard of.

 

[disney fan 13]

Several. Hopefully one will surface after RSR is done and dusted. And hopefully it's the last plan I heard of.

Are these plans franchise free or are they the type of additions that are more about merchandise sales then anything else?

 

[PhilharMagician]

I am so confused why people think Avatar would be a good fit in tomorrow land. For me only a little part of the movie was based on the futuristic technology of the humans. To me it was a lot more about nature and the way the natives interacted with it. I would think Avatar would be a lot more home in adventureland, but thats also just my opinion.

I have to aggree with some on what you say. Avatar does not fit at all with Tomorrowland. It does not really fit in Magic Kindom at all!

Avatar would fit in AK just as well as Beastly Kingdom would have. The Avatar movie as you said was based on being interactive with nature which is what AK is all about. The tough thing is figuring out how to bring it all to life in front of the guests. Just as with every project that happens, many people say that it will never fit, it won't work, Disney is cheap and they will never go to WDW again. 2 years later they all of the sudden love the change or at least except it. (except for Stitch)

 

[marni1971]

Are these plans franchise free or are they the type of additions that are more about merchandise sales then anything else?

None franchise free but all executed for the good of the park and not the gift shop.

 

[disney fan 13]

None franchise free but all executed for the good of the park and not the gift shop.

Then I am hopeful, ( Though I would love to have a non franchise based Tomorrowland )

 

[misterID]

Several. Hopefully one will surface after RSR is done and dusted. And hopefully it's the last plan I heard of.

Is it the Incredibles overlay or was that always Blue Sky?

It's weird seeing that empty track just sitting there.

 

[marni1971]

Is it the Incredibles overlay or was that always Blue Sky?

It's weird seeing that empty track just sitting there.

That was one Blue - yellow sky proposal.

TDA are taking notice of Potter West. Big time. They're having triplets over it. Everything TDO should have done. As I said when DCA is done (for now) expect Glendales attention to drift next door again.

 

[Pitchforkman]

That was one Blue - yellow sky proposal.

TDA are taking notice of Potter West. Big time. They're having triplets over it. Everything TDO should have done. As I said when DCA is done (for now) expect Glendales attention to drift next door again.

What is a blue/yellow sky proposal?

 

[freediverdude]

I think moving CoP to the space where the Tomorrowland Terrace restaurant is, would be a perfect idea. Just think of it, you would walk in one side coming from Main Street USA, go through the stages of time in the attraction, and exit the attraction on the Tomorrowland side. Talk about a perfect transition theme-wise!

And about the speedway, the speedway lends itself perfectly to a Tron overlay. Think about that, zooming around on Tron cycles on the speedway track, especially lit up in the evening?? People would wait for hours to do that! They would have to install fastpass, lol. And the picture selling potential, OMG. Disney, wake up and smell the money here. So many good opportunities that Disney just wastes!

 

[WDW97]

Well it just feels like all you have to do is whisper Avatar on the boards and even if they painted a piece of poo blue and called it Avatar it would get support here. Don't get me wrong I think Avatar was a cool movie and it might have some good applicability at WDW but sometimes I think we get so hungry for new E-tickets that we would accept anything they threw at us....and they might be right.

Personally for my $0.02 I would love to see Kali River Rapids expanded and redone with an Avatar theme maybe with some hi tech indoor areas of the ride as well if they end up falling through with Avatarland and still want to use the theme somewhere.

I really like this idea or at least that type of ride system just seems great! :animwink:

 

[WDW97]

Can someone repost the link or send it to me?