Tomorrowland-New D & E Ticket and Aesthetic overhaul

[saxamoophone]

I think its better off if tomorrowland underwent the Jules Verne treatment aka Discoveryland and incorporated rides like Journey to the Centre of the Earth and 20k Leagues from Tokyo Disney Sea, yes, 20k has already been in the park, but this is totally different. its not under water so maintenance shouldn't be too much of a nightmare.

Id just love for the land to be more about Discovery and exploration into the sea, the earth, the sky and space.

keep space mountain, update it. keep the astro orbiter. maybe make it 2 or even three level based on different explorations? (sea, air, space?) and build a mysterious island/lagoon area where the speedway currently is.

Or better yet, keep Tomorrowland Tomorrow...

But "Future World" could, should, and easily would be Discoveryland.

What screams future about future world?

Spaceship earth is 90% about the past...
Test Track is the present...
Universe of Energy is 50% about the past, 50% about the present....
The Land is the present...

Mission Space is the only thing set in the "near" future....

 

[RSoxNo1]

I would love to see Disney come up with an original idea like they used to do in the 90's. Do away with the speedway, it just takes up space.

Yeah, I'm sick of those unoriginal ideas that came about in the 2000s like Mission: SPACE, Soarin', and Expedition Everest.

Meh. I gotta chime in as someone with a business degree. At some point, Disney has innovated enough. They can stand to take a back seat while they wait for competitors to catch up to them. Perhaps Universal has done that with HP, and Disney will want to respond to that. (Avatar?) Time will tell.

But doesn't that openly admit you've given up the race despite not winning?

Or that you're content to sit and milk the product for all it's worth, to live off the legacy and not continue to be said legacy?

Or just wait until the PR is so bad you have to act?

I too have a business degree, and since we're talking about classroom experience I took a class on innovation where I used Disney as a focus point.

Disney is no longer the leading ride innovator, if that's not important to them, that's their decision but if it's important to their supporters it will ultimately be important to them.

Forgive the subtle allusion to Moneyball, but the way I look at it, Disney has been at the peak of themed entertainment for quite some time. There was a large layer of crap, between them and their competitors. Now, that layer of crap is much smaller. It's not necessarily because Disney has gotten worse, but the competition has undoubtedly gotten much better.

I just don't know that subject matter matters all that much in a ride. If really well done the source material just fades away.

It matters for merchandising and marketing, but recent history has shown us that Disney is going to screw that up anyways.

 

[misterID]

To be fair, Mission: SPACE is basically Mission To Mars in a centrifuge. And EE is basically Matterhorn 2.0.

 

[jjharvpro]

Some of these ideas are fantastic!! I would be 100% all for Avatar and Wall-E in Tomorrowland, TRON and MILF in Studios, more animals in DAK and some kind of nighttime attraction/show, and Future World refurbs/updates.

 

[Jimmy Thick]

Nothing to see here but more unsubstantiated wishful thinking.



Move along, move along.



Jimmy Thick-No wonder it was deleted.

 

[SyracuseOrange]

I too have a business degree, and since we're talking about classroom experience I took a class on innovation where I used Disney as a focus point.

Disney is no longer the leading ride innovator, if that's not important to them, that's their decision but if it's important to their supporters it will ultimately be important to them.

Forgive the subtle allusion to Moneyball, but the way I look at it, Disney has been at the peak of themed entertainment for quite some time. There was a large layer of crap, between them and their competitors. Now, that layer of crap is much smaller. It's not necessarily because Disney has gotten worse, but the competition has undoubtedly gotten much better.



It matters for merchandising and marketing, but recent history has shown us that Disney is going to screw that up anyways.

And I agree with you.

 

[baymenxpac]

I think you might be especially sensitive to this being from Indianapolis. Not that any football team around here ever put a 16-0 season in jeopardy by doing that...

as a jets fan, thanks for that again. curtis painter still gets a christmas card every year from my house. you did beat us in the AFC title game though.

i don't get disney's thinking. preemptively strike on the west coast, but let florida sit as HP goes into phase 2? not that they're not doing anything, but FLE and the various refurbs obviously are not potter swatters.

 

[HMF]

I think its better off if tomorrowland underwent the Jules Verne treatment aka Discoveryland .

They tried that at Disneyland and look how that turned out.
http://www.yesterland.com/images-tomorrowland/rocketjets_orbitor2004.jpg
http://www.yesterland.com/images-tomorrowland/rocketjets_observatron.jpg
http://www.pacificsites.com/~drhoades/graphics/spacemt.jpg

 

[c-one]

I think the neon kinetic chaos of the current Tomorrowland theme is fine, actually. The problem is that the attractions suck.

 

[MUTZIE77]

I think the neon kinetic chaos of the current Tomorrowland theme is fine, actually. The problem is that the attractions suck.

Agreed

 

[WDWFigment]

I think the neon kinetic chaos of the current Tomorrowland theme is fine, actually. The problem is that the attractions suck.

True dat.

Agreed

Double true!

 

[erasure fan1]

i don't get disney's thinking. preemptively strike on the west coast, but let florida sit as HP goes into phase 2? not that they're not doing anything, but FLE and the various refurbs obviously are not potter swatters.

Exactly. To me its pretty apparent that Disney really doesnt care about Potter. They have made it clear through their actions (or lack their of) that they are confident Potter wont hurt them.


As much as I would love something added to adventureland I think Tomorrowland is in the most need of an update. I would have expanded/updated tomorrowland before fantasyland but that might just be me.

 

[NoChesterHester]

They have always struggled with Tomorrowland because the speed of real industry eventually overtakes them. On that note, when was the last really amazing and forward thinking Science Fiction movie? Sure we have Avatar and some others, but they arent really groundbreaking new tech; just evolving stuff we have or are working on.

Everyone struggles with the medium now.

The rumored concept of an "alien" Tomorrowland could be really sustainable and give them a better unified theme for which to actually plan the area long term. Hard to develop a ten year plan for a land when the plan is to rip it all out and start over again.

 

[Mem11]

Yeah, I'm sick of those unoriginal ideas that came about in the 2000s like Mission: SPACE, Soarin', and Expedition Everest.

So you're saying the last original idea was EE, which was announced almost 9 years ago under a different CEO???

I may be wrong, but I believe when Iger took over in 2005 he pretty much said most if not all new attractions would be based on the vast Disney library of properties.

Let's see since 2005 what new original ideas for attractions have been announced or built... New Fantasyland - Nope; Toy Story Mania - Nope; The Seas With Nemo & Friends - Nope; Carsland - Nope; Avatarland - Nope; Star Tours 2.0 - Nope; and my favorite Gran Fiesta Tour Starring The Three Caballeros - Nope...

Not that there is anything wrong with these additions - it's good to get something, but it doesn't appear "new original ideas" from Imagineering are on the Weatherman's radar screen. Which is a shame, as it appears the company has lost confidence in or just doesn't care to let WDI work it's magic.

 

[erasure fan1]

Not that there is anything wrong with these additions - it's good to get something, but it doesn't appear "new original ideas" from Imagineering are on the Weatherman's radar screen. Which is a shame, as it appears the company has lost confidence in or just doesn't care to let WDI work it's magic.

I say its doesnt care. Until there is a major dent in their pocketbook, its just going to be more of the same for the foreseeable future.

 

[disney fan 13]

They have always struggled with Tomorrowland because the speed of real industry eventually overtakes them. On that note, when was the last really amazing and forward thinking Science Fiction movie? Sure we have Avatar and some others, but they arent really groundbreaking new tech; just evolving stuff we have or are working on.

Everyone struggles with the medium now.

The rumored concept of an "alien" Tomorrowland could be really sustainable and give them a better unified theme for which to actually plan the area long term. Hard to develop a ten year plan for a land when the plan is to rip it all out and start over again.

Agreed, but why would they want to spend the money to update? more then half the rides have had character added, The other three are ''classics''

So you're saying the last original idea was EE, which was announced almost 9 years ago under a different CEO???

I may be wrong, but I believe when Iger took over in 2005 he pretty much said most if not all new attractions would be based on the vast Disney library of properties.

Let's see since 2005 what new original ideas for attractions have been announced or built... New Fantasyland - Nope; Toy Story Mania - Nope; The Seas With Nemo & Friends - Nope; Carsland - Nope; Avatarland - Nope; Star Tours 2.0 - Nope; and my favorite Gran Fiesta Tour Starring The Three Caballeros - Nope...

Not that there is anything wrong with these additions - it's good to get something, but it doesn't appear "new original ideas" from Imagineering are on the Weatherman's radar screen. Which is a shame, as it appears the company has lost confidence in or just doesn't care to let WDI work it's magic.

:sohappy:

 

[Pitchforkman]

So you're saying the last original idea was EE, which was announced almost 9 years ago under a different CEO???

I may be wrong, but I believe when Iger took over in 2005 he pretty much said most if not all new attractions would be based on the vast Disney library of properties.

Let's see since 2005 what new original ideas for attractions have been announced or built... New Fantasyland - Nope; Toy Story Mania - Nope; The Seas With Nemo & Friends - Nope; Carsland - Nope; Avatarland - Nope; Star Tours 2.0 - Nope; and my favorite Gran Fiesta Tour Starring The Three Caballeros - Nope...

Not that there is anything wrong with these additions - it's good to get something, but it doesn't appear "new original ideas" from Imagineering are on the Weatherman's radar screen. Which is a shame, as it appears the company has lost confidence in or just doesn't care to let WDI work it's magic.

Its extremely rude to call Mr. Iger the Weatherman. You can disagree with his decisions but show respect it is not hard.

 

[Tom]

Its extremely rude to call Mr. Iger the Weatherman. You can disagree with his decisions but show respect it is not hard.

I guess I missed the original memo where that nickname was introduced. What does it mean, in this scenario?

 

[The Empress Lilly]

I just love the irony of Pitchforkman pleading not to call anybody the Weatherman. :lol:


Personally, I think it absolutely off-limits to call yourself 'Fulton's Crab House'.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I guess I missed the original memo where that nickname was introduced. What does it mean, in this scenario?

Iger was as a television weatherman. I think it is just to signify that Iger has never really been one for the creative side of television, film and other entertainment mediums.