Tomorrowland-New D & E Ticket and Aesthetic overhaul

El Grupo

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That is good to hear. If WDW does not feel a need to show Uni who's boss, at least DL does.
Perhaps WDW can catch a free ride on the fighting spirit of DL! Shared development and production costs, plus Anaheim's creative drive, could mean great things for WDW.

If we see a proactive move at DL, I'm curious if the push behind it is coming from TDA or some key folks in Burbank.

Just wondering if the credit should go to leadership at the parks or some executives at the studios.
 

bdearl41

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I would love to see Disney come up with an original idea like they used to do in the 90's. Do away with the speedway, it just takes up space.
 

Atomicmickey

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*sigh* when are we going to get something, anything, new, cool, fresh, cutting edge...? Bring on Avatar, bring on Anything...all we hear about it seems are things being axed......
 

NoChesterHester

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I'd like to say partly. But more a financial issue. As in what it would cost vs what the return would be to the what is already the worlds most successful park.

In that case how do you ever justify an addition to the park? I know most everything in life comes down to money, but at some point you would have to think they want to add things just to take another leap ahead of the competition.
 

Tom

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In that case how do you ever justify an addition to the park? I know most everything in life comes down to money, but at some point you would have to think they want to add things just to take another leap ahead of the competition.

The entire Disney MGM Studios park was Disney's (Eisner's) attempt to stay ahead of the competition. He knew Uni was going to build, so he made the executive decision to build first, and open first - thus making Uni look like a copycat.

They don't do this anymore. Now they sit back, watch what everyone else does, and (sometimes) responds. No forethought. No more setting the bar. No more being FIRST and BEST at anything. Those two key points alone are what may actually be causing Walt to turn in his grave...because that's what he was all about: being the FIRST and BEST.
 

SyracuseOrange

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The entire Disney MGM Studios park was Disney's (Eisner's) attempt to stay ahead of the competition. He knew Uni was going to build, so he made the executive decision to build first, and open first - thus making Uni look like a copycat.

They don't do this anymore. Now they sit back, watch what everyone else does, and (sometimes) responds. No forethought. No more setting the bar. No more being FIRST and BEST at anything. Those two key points alone are what may actually be causing Walt to turn in his grave...because that's what he was all about: being the FIRST and BEST.

Meh. I gotta chime in as someone with a business degree. At some point, Disney has innovated enough. They can stand to take a back seat while they wait for competitors to catch up to them. Perhaps Universal has done that with HP, and Disney will want to respond to that. (Avatar?) Time will tell.
 

Tom

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Meh. I gotta chime in as someone with a business degree. At some point, Disney has innovated enough. They can stand to take a back seat while they wait for competitors to catch up to them. Perhaps Universal has done that with HP, and Disney will want to respond to that. (Avatar?) Time will tell.

Why would anyone want to settle for mediocrity? Why would they not want to continue to be the best? Yes, by default, and by MANY standards and surveys, they still are the "best", but they're ever so slowly losing market share.

It's like a football team putting in their benchwarmers in the 4th quarter, only to let the other team catch up and possibly put the win in jeopardy. Why do this? Why not continue to score touchdowns and absolutely annihilate the competition?
 

WDWFigment

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Why would anyone want to settle for mediocrity? Why would they not want to continue to be the best? Yes, by default, and by MANY standards and surveys, they still are the "best", but they're ever so slowly losing market share.

It's like a football team putting in their benchwarmers in the 4th quarter, only to let the other team catch up and possibly put the win in jeopardy. Why do this? Why not continue to score touchdowns and absolutely annihilate the competition?

I think you might be especially sensitive to this being from Indianapolis. Not that any football team around here ever put a 16-0 season in jeopardy by doing that... ;)
 

Tom

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I think you might be especially sensitive to this being from Indianapolis. Not that any football team around here ever put a 16-0 season in jeopardy by doing that... ;)

Heh....yeah. *sigh* :(

I'm extremely sensitive to this right now, for that very reason. We're experts at Prevent Defense. Let them catch the ball, then tackle them. Heaven forbid we try to intercept or rush or block.
 

NoChesterHester

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Meh. I gotta chime in as someone with a business degree. At some point, Disney has innovated enough. They can stand to take a back seat while they wait for competitors to catch up to them. Perhaps Universal has done that with HP, and Disney will want to respond to that. (Avatar?) Time will tell.

In a creative company market dominance is dictated by continual innovation.

Eventually the competition catches up, and you look back... Your market share is gone and you are a dinosaur.

How is that waiting for the competition to catch up working out for Kodak?
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Meh. I gotta chime in as someone with a business degree. At some point, Disney has innovated enough. They can stand to take a back seat while they wait for competitors to catch up to them. Perhaps Universal has done that with HP, and Disney will want to respond to that. (Avatar?) Time will tell.

But doesn't that openly admit you've given up the race despite not winning?

Or that you're content to sit and milk the product for all it's worth, to live off the legacy and not continue to be said legacy?

Or just wait until the PR is so bad you have to act?
 

George Lucas on a Bench

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Tron doesn't exactly fit into a proper Tomorrowland, does it? The grid world may be futuristic, but those movies take place in the 80s and present day.

Avatar is still totally uninteresting to me. As of now, so is a Wall-E ride.
 

yeti

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Meh. I gotta chime in as someone with a business degree. At some point, Disney has innovated enough. They can stand to take a back seat while they wait for competitors to catch up to them. Perhaps Universal has done that with HP, and Disney will want to respond to that. (Avatar?) Time will tell.

Yes, therein lies the problem. I wish more CEOs were like Steve Jobs, who gave MBA management types little notice.
 

NoChesterHester

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Tron doesn't exactly fit into a proper Tomorrowland, does it? The grid world may be futuristic, but those movies take place in the 80s and present day.

Avatar is still totally uninteresting to me. As of now, so is a Wall-E ride.

I just don't know that subject matter matters all that much in a ride. If really well done the source material just fades away.
 

RunnerEd

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Yes, therein lies the problem. I wish more CEOs were like Steve Jobs, who gave MBA management types little notice.

MBA= More Bad Advice. I'm all for Imagineers having a significant seat at the management table deciding what gets built and what doesn't.
 

cookiee_munster

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I think its better off if tomorrowland underwent the Jules Verne treatment aka Discoveryland and incorporated rides like Journey to the Centre of the Earth and 20k Leagues from Tokyo Disney Sea, yes, 20k has already been in the park, but this is totally different. its not under water so maintenance shouldn't be too much of a nightmare.

Id just love for the land to be more about Discovery and exploration into the sea, the earth, the sky and space.

keep space mountain, update it. keep the astro orbiter. maybe make it 2 or even three level based on different explorations? (sea, air, space?) and build a mysterious island/lagoon area where the speedway currently is.
 

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