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MickeyMario

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I never said DL's was going to be good. But if they have a plan in Florida, why can't they make a decision on what to do with so many different things?

I have no doubt plans exist, I probably should have phrased it better. But we also get mostly fully laid out timelines for all of the other parks.

With Florida we know so much because of our insiders. It always feels like they fly by the seat of their pants. And notice I said "it feels like" ... meaning it's the impression they give me :)

You don't need to always jump to the defense of them :)
I'm definitely not defending them lol

I'm commenting on the "grass is greener" philosophy.

DL's TL has been a **** show for decades. If you think that's "making a decision and having laid-out timelines" you're wearing the grass is greener glasses.
Last time I checked MK's was the TL getting small updates, not DL's
 

Kman101

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I'm definitely not defending them lol

I'm commenting on the "grass is greener" philosophy.

DL's TL has been a **** show for decades. If you think that's "making a decision and having laid-out timelines" you're wearing the grass is greener glasses.
Last time I checked MK's was the TL getting small updates, not DL's
Small updates doesn't mean some master plan, either. I'm sure they have one. But I don't have to agree or like how they go about it :)

I never really said the grass was greener. I just like when they lay out their overall plans and it makes me feel they just have a better idea of what to do everywhere else but Anaheim and Orlando. Anaheim hasn't made a lot of great decisions lately, IMHO.

I don't really think either comes across as parks with a master plan. It just feels like "well, we have this problem so let's stick this here" mentality. I'm beyond happy they're doing things, though. I just want it laid out better and I want to know they know what they're doing. I know that doesn't make a lot of sense. Just how I feel.

If there was a master plan they wouldn't be so indecisive about what to do in Florida. They aren't indecisive anywhere else. To a lesser extent, Anaheim. I never really said the grass is greener in Anaheim.

Not sure why I had to explain all of this when I was simply just happy to hear there was a plan. I've yet to get a real sense they know at all what they're doing. I'm sure they have long-term "goals" and ideas and some plans. But it often feels like they have no idea and no master plan. They just do things.
 

Kman101

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So are Monsters and Buzz staying or not?
Seems like it (but I don't know anything officially of course). But I swear we've heard Buzz isn't being refurbed, at the very least (unless that's changed). I don't know if anyone has shot down it actually going away, though. I doubt they see it as a "problem to be fixed" but they need to do something with it. I guess we could consider this a cosmetic overhaul. And they still need to do something with the Stitch space ... sigh.
 

jt04

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Small updates doesn't mean some master plan, either. I'm sure they have one. But I don't have to agree or like how they go about it :)

I never really said the grass was greener. I just like when they lay out their overall plans and it makes me feel they just have a better idea of what to do everywhere else but Anaheim and Orlando. Anaheim hasn't made a lot of great decisions lately, IMHO.

I don't really think either comes across as parks with a master plan. It just feels like "well, we have this problem so let's stick this here" mentality. I'm beyond happy they're doing things, though. I just want it laid out better and I want to know they know what they're doing. I know that doesn't make a lot of sense. Just how I feel.

If there was a master plan they wouldn't be so indecisive about what to do in Florida. They aren't indecisive anywhere else. To a lesser extent, Anaheim. I never really said the grass is greener in Anaheim.

Not sure why I had to explain all of this when I was simply just happy to hear there was a plan. I've yet to get a real sense they know at all what they're doing. I'm sure they have long-term "goals" and ideas and some plans. But it often feels like they have no idea and no master plan. They just do things.
If you watch what they do without being cynical it will make more sense. It is a decades long process but will ultimately be worth the wait. There was just not enough capital and gumption to get WDW back on track quickly. Many interests have to be kept happy along the way. Pitfalls of being a publicly traded company.
 

Kman101

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If you watch what they do without being cynical it will make more sense. It is a decades long process but will ultimately be worth the wait. There was just not enough capital and gumption to get WDW back on track quickly. Many interests have to be kept happy along the way. Pitfalls of being a publicly traded company.
I'm far from cynical, really (most of the time). I do know how they operate and it's why I don't have total faith or trust in them ;) I actually keep a very open-mind. I appreciate at times your crazy optimism but it's not always how you see it.
 

Zootopia Dude

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Seems like it (but I don't know anything officially of course). But I swear we've heard Buzz isn't being refurbed, at the very least (unless that's changed). I don't know if anyone has shot down it actually going away, though. I doubt they see it as a "problem to be fixed" but they need to do something with it. I guess we could consider this a cosmetic overhaul. And they still need to do something with the Stitch space ... sigh.
Speaking of Stitch, is something happening with the M&G? Last two times I went, he wasn't doing his M&G, and there were plenty of cast members going in and out of the pre-show and theater areas...
 

jt04

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I'm far from cynical, really (most of the time). I do know how they operate and it's why I don't have total faith or trust in them ;) I actually keep a very open-mind. I appreciate at times your crazy optimism but it's not always how you see it.
I am convinced they are going in the right direction. The competition will keep them focused.
 

999th Happy Haunt

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I feel like Dreamflight and IYHW are the least talked about of all the extinct Magic Kingdom attractions, is there any reason for this? Were they not that good?
 

jaxonp

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Worst Tomorrowland is definitely Hong Kong but Disneyland is not far behind. Ironically, MK might be the best of the castle parks. Shanghai is the most modern but is completely different than the others. Tokyo is all over the place but has the best collection of rides. PM and the overall size and setup of MK Tomorrowland makes it the best to me. If only the we could get two quality dark rides to replace what we have in the front.
 

MickeyMario

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Worst Tomorrowland is definitely Hong Kong but Disneyland is not far behind. Ironically, MK might be the best of the castle parks. Shanghai is the most modern but is completely different than the others. Tokyo is all over the place but has the best collection of rides. PM and the overall size and setup of MK Tomorrowland makes it the best to me. If only the we could get two quality dark rides to replace what we have in the front.
I haven't seen SDL's in person, but MK's Tomorrowland is my fav too.

Love the layout of the land, the Peoplemover connecting everything, CoP, the BGM, the most beautiful Space Mountain building (as it's so much bigger than the single-track ones.

It really shouldn't be that hard to fix the land's issues.
 

Sneezy62

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I feel like Dreamflight and IYHW are the least talked about of all the extinct Magic Kingdom attractions, is there any reason for this? Were they not that good?
I can’t speak to Dreamflight, but I recently rode Buzz for the second time and was disappointed with my laser gun and just started watching my daughter shoot. When we hit the speed tunnel I realized where I was and really felt some sadness for IYHW. Not that it was gone...airline travel today is a far cry from what was back then...but just for the whole concept of what Tomorrowland was at the opening and what it is now. Science, technology, and the marvels of progress were front and center...not a hint really of science fiction. Science fiction came when they introduced hyperspace travel in Mission to Mars and implied in Space Mountain. From what I’ve seen it was used pretty freely in many of the future world attractions as well. IYHW Could make a comeback as a ride dedicated to self driving auto technology and be in the same spirit that it held back in the day, as an example. I don’t foresee today’s company having any interest in something like that though.
 

Kman101

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Personally I feel Discoveryland is more timeless. But steampunk isn't everyone's favorite. As for regular ole Tomorrowland, I'd agree MK has the better of them all, but Tokyo has Monster's going for it (and Star Tours) and the original entrance. I've only so far seen Disneyland and MK's in person. HK seems like a lackluster take on Sci-Fi City. I'd have to see it in person. Shanghai's seems too gray and sterile but again I'd have to experience it in person. Shanghai's feels like a mix of old Tomorrowland and Future World, just all gray and with TRON instead of Space Mountain. I like some of it from what I've seen but it's still not super appealing (and it's probably going to be at least a decade before I see it in person).

I can see them not thinking Buzz/Monsters are a priority. They have a lot to do everywhere so I guess you have to prioritize. People still want to ride Buzz and Monster's seems like a sleeper hit. I doubt they're seen as "problems" if you look at it from their eyes. I mean, they can't even replace Stitch after several years ... lol. I can't imagine them trying to replace all three of them at the same time. But to me, a true overhaul would be replace them and start over. Not just a cosmetic change and something in Stitch. But it could be a good start. A new paint scheme doesn't make the land 'fixed' but it does indeed help a lot. Just like not replacing Mermaid or Beauty in the Studios. To me, if you overhaul the park ... really overhaul it.
 

ChrisFL

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I can’t speak to Dreamflight, but I recently rode Buzz for the second time and was disappointed with my laser gun and just started watching my daughter shoot. When we hit the speed tunnel I realized where I was and really felt some sadness for IYHW. Not that it was gone...airline travel today is a far cry from what was back then...but just for the whole concept of what Tomorrowland was at the opening and what it is now. Science, technology, and the marvels of progress were front and center...not a hint really of science fiction. Science fiction came when they introduced hyperspace travel in Mission to Mars and implied in Space Mountain. From what I’ve seen it was used pretty freely in many of the future world attractions as well. IYHW Could make a comeback as a ride dedicated to self driving auto technology and be in the same spirit that it held back in the day, as an example. I don’t foresee today’s company having any interest in something like that though.
Science fiction was also more viable for Tomorrowland since they had Future World just down the road which was also a realistic science and technology/future theme. Disney probably decided they had more ways to make a sci-fi future in that situation.
 

Magicart87

Premium Member
I am very eager to hear what the eventual STG replacement will be. And MILF and Buzz could def take a hike and I'd be ok with it, even though I do enjoy those attractions, it just feels like there could be something better there.
LOL. Ya just named nearly 3/4th of the land's attractions (of which most would agree need replacing) I guess Tomorowland needs more than an aesthetic change. It needs an entire overhaul!

Maybe by MK's 60th or Centennial Celebration?!

Hyperbole aside: I do like the direction this land is heading visually but it still needs to find it's identity and with new rides that thematically fit.
 
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