News Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress

UNCgolf

UNCgolf

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LittleBuford said:
I would say it remains very popular based on the wait times and the number of children who flock to go on it. I'm not sure how that's a controversial statement.
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It's certainly popular, but the wait times have always felt misleading to me because it's such a low capacity attraction. A 60 minute wait for FEA is the equivalent of a roughly 20-25 minute wait for Spaceship Earth. For example, the current wait time is 65 for FEA and 35 for Spaceship Earth, so if those are accurate (which is admittedly a big if), there are actually more people waiting to ride SSE than FEA right now.

That said, there are other variables involved in wait times -- it could be that FEA doesn't generally get much longer waits because so many small children ride, and parents aren't willing to wait more than an hour in line. Thus it would be artificially capped by reasons other than general popularity.
 
MerlinTheGoat

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Bocabear said:
People waited crazy amounts of hours for FEA when it opened... It is popular. I did not agree with adding it to World Showcase, but it is cute and could use a little more going on in it's second level empty warehouse section lol but it is cute and very popular.
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Anything "new" is going to have crazy wait times when it first opens, regardless of the IP (or lack thereof) and quality of the experience. During the first week of its operation, Frozen had wait times as high as 300 minutes. As always, this didn't last for all that long and it went down to the 200s fairly quickly. Then 100s, and now it's averaging well below that outside of the busiest times of the year. Even in the years leading up to its closure and in a severely dilapidated state, Maelstrom's wait times could still get fairly close to Frozen's current waits.

UNCgolf made an interesting point. While I'm also not saying Frozen is unpopular, comparing its wait times to Spaceship Earth is an interesting perspective. Spaceship Earth has a theoretical hourly capacity of about 2400, whereas Frozen is only 1000. So Frozen would need to have a wait time 2.4x higher than whatever SSE is JUST to match it.
 
Skibum1970

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MerlinTheGoat said:
Anything "new" is going to have crazy wait times when it first opens, regardless of the IP (or lack thereof) and quality of the experience. During the first week of its operation, Frozen had wait times as high as 300 minutes. As always, this didn't last for all that long and it went down to the 200s fairly quickly. Then 100s, and now it's averaging well below that outside of the busiest times of the year. Even in the years leading up to its closure and in a severely dilapidated state, Maelstrom's wait times could still get fairly close to Frozen's current waits.

UNCgolf made an interesting point. While I'm also not saying Frozen is unpopular, comparing its wait times to Spaceship Earth is an interesting perspective. Spaceship Earth has a theoretical hourly capacity of about 2400, whereas Frozen is only 1000. So Frozen would need to have a wait time 2.4x higher than whatever SSE is JUST to match it.
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Precisely what I was thinking. I remember someone saying that Frozen only gets to about 800 pph but 1,000 is right there. It exemplifies the problem with opening any ride at Disney that doesn't have throughput of 1,500+, unless it is truly a complementary "B" ticket. I'm not sure what Splash's/Tiana's capacity was but I have to think that it was higher.
 
MerlinTheGoat

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Skibum1970 said:
Precisely what I was thinking. I remember someone saying that Frozen only gets to about 800 pph but 1,000 is right there. It exemplifies the problem with opening any ride at Disney that doesn't have throughput of 1,500+, unless it is truly a complementary "B" ticket. I'm not sure what Splash's/Tiana's capacity was but I have to think that it was higher.
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Google search says Magic Kingdom's Splash is 1500 per hour. This may not be accurate though. I found an old thread on this forum with multiple people claiming to be operators for the ride, and they said the official number they target is 1800. On particularly good days (when it's busy and they have a lot of cast working and plenty of boats), this number could apparently be even higher. Like 1900 to almost 2100.

Ride Capacities (Everest and Splash Mountain)

I was looking around for Ride Capacities of Disney rides and I thought I'd do some of the calculations myself because I couldn't find them. Splash Mountain runs between 50 and 54 boats, the ride is approximately 10:30. Seeing as load and unloading times are factored into this and there are...
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By their nature, rides that stop to load/unload are also prone to more variable capacities than a ride like SSE that is in constant motion.

Incidentally, I wonder if the lap bars they added to Splash back in 2011 reduced the hourly capacity at all. It's an extra thing they have to check during dispatch, so I could imagine those seconds adding up over the course of an hour.
 
EagleScout610

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MerlinTheGoat said:
Google search says Magic Kingdom's Splash is 1500 per hour. This may not be accurate though. I found an old thread on this forum with multiple people claiming to be operators for the ride, and they said the official number they target is 1800. On particularly good days (when it's busy and they have a lot of cast working and plenty of boats), this number could apparently be even higher. Like 1900 to almost 2100.

Ride Capacities (Everest and Splash Mountain)

I was looking around for Ride Capacities of Disney rides and I thought I'd do some of the calculations myself because I couldn't find them. Splash Mountain runs between 50 and 54 boats, the ride is approximately 10:30. Seeing as load and unloading times are factored into this and there are...
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By their nature, rides that stop to load/unload are also prone to more variable capacities than a ride like SSE that is in constant motion.

Incidentally, I wonder if the lap bars they added to Splash back in 2011 reduced the hourly capacity at all. It's an extra thing they have to check during dispatch, so I could imagine those seconds adding up over the course of an hour.
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With Splash I wonder that number is changed with how much it would break down and/or be delayed for boarding a wheelchair guest.
 
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Kirby86

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EagleScout610 said:
With Splash I wonder that number is changed with how much it would break down and/or be delayed for boarding a wheelchair guest.
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The 1500 is a theoretical number where the ride runs perfectly and operations load and unload the ride vehicle without delay. So that number won't change. If operations hits that number is a different story.
 
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Skibum1970 said:
Precisely what I was thinking. I remember someone saying that Frozen only gets to about 800 pph but 1,000 is right there. It exemplifies the problem with opening any ride at Disney that doesn't have throughput of 1,500+, unless it is truly a complementary "B" ticket. I'm not sure what Splash's/Tiana's capacity was but I have to think that it was higher.
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Higher and has a height requirement which restricts some ridership. Still more popular than Frozen Forever After for the thrill, the iconography of theme and park it is in.
 
BagOfGroceries

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Henry Mystic said:
I wasn’t onboard—in fact, I relentlessly opposed it—until I realized how much sense it makes in Anaheim after going there recently. Alongside the ride itself being weaker and having large room for improvement, and of course Merlin seeming to think they’re actual trying that I’ve changed my tune on this.

It should be easy to improve DL’s, and in my opinion, it will make the sight lines make far more sense with New Orleans Square, despite the weaker look of the mountain overall.

I’m frustrated that we’re losing Orlando’s, though. While Splash wasn’t ever the best fit for Frontierland, I feel Tiana’s is even worse, though they now seem to be making a mini-land with the Peco’s Bill retheme. An update rather than a replacement would’ve been far more appropriate for Orlando, though I understand that would go against their goal of ridding the parks of SOTS references.

My main frustration is losing the soundtrack (which is world class) and the name should’ve been “Bayou Falls” instead.

Once again, Disney World gets the short end of the stick and Disneyland Park could actually stand to improve in a big way from this project.
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If I were Disney World, I would have revisited the Western River Exepedition project. See what you can make from Marc Davis’ concepts that works today. And since it’s a Marc Davis ride, that provides a good through line to reuse animatronics to keep costs down.
 
RSoxNo1

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Bocabear said:
People waited crazy amounts of hours for FEA when it opened... It is popular. I did not agree with adding it to World Showcase, but it is cute and could use a little more going on in it's second level empty warehouse section lol but it is cute and very popular.
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It's a decent ride about Frozen with a low capacity. It doesn't belong in the park that it's in. Frozen deserved better representation in WDW and EPCOT deserved to not have the thematic integrity of World Showcase compromised.

As for Tiana's thematic fit in WDW, my suggestion has been renaming Frontierland and possibly Liberty Square to "Riverfront Square". The name stems from a planned Disney park in St. Louis but it could call attention to the evolution of the United States along various bodies of water, most notably the Mississippi River.
 
BrianLo

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SplashZander said:
Is it bad that I'm excited for this?
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Not at all. It's still going to be an excellently robust flume with a perfect ride time for the thrill level, laden with animatronics and fun music. All with the hopefully reasonable execution including some 20th century impressive modern animatronics and most importantly much better sound and speaker systems.

If the nostalgia goggles are removed it will still likely be one of the very best attractions in the resort. It might even be better than the original ride, not that many will admit it.
 
Disstevefan1

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BrianLo said:
Not at all. It's still going to be an excellently robust flume with a perfect ride time for the thrill level, laden with animatronics and fun music. All with the hopefully reasonable execution including some 20th century impressive modern animatronics and most importantly much better sound and speaker systems.

If the nostalgia goggles are removed it will still likely be one of the very best attractions in the resort. It might even be better than the original ride, not that many will admit it.
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It's possible it could be great; we won't know what we got till it opens.

We obviously can't go by any artwork released since what we end up with will be after the budget cuts are applied.

We all must wait and see.

The best approach is to expect the worst and hope for the best.
 

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