News Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress

[Touchdown]

^Riding DHS ToT will ruin DCA ToT. I know because it’s exactly what happened to me when I rode DL’s Pirates. Before Pirates was right up with HM, but ever since due to sheer amazingness of DL Pirates, MK Pirates has lost its luster. DCA ToT didn’t even get the chance of being my first ToT so it doesn’t even get the nostalgia bump.

I’ll give you theming wise it fit far better in DCA then GotG does, but other then that I still think Guardians is better.

Also for the record, with the exception of ToT, Splash, HM, First half of Peter Pan, Castle, and Pooh I think the non cloned DL versions are better than WDW. So it’s not “first resort bias.”

 

[mickEblu]

^Riding DHS ToT will ruin DCA ToT. I know because it’s exactly what happened to me when I rode DL’s Pirates. Before Pirates was right up with HM, but ever since due to sheer amazingness of DL Pirates, MK Pirates has lost its luster. DCA ToT didn’t even get the chance of being my first ToT so it doesn’t even get the nostalgia bump.

I’ll give you theming wise it fit far better in DCA then GotG does, but other then that I still think Guardians is better.

I can understand that DHS’ TOT may have me appreciating DCA’s TOT less but obviously it’ll never make GOTG feel better than DCA’s TOT as I’ve ridden both. So my opinion is based on a true head to head with no skewed interpretation due to my experience on a different version of TOT.

 

[Stupido]

I know I need to get over it but still wonder how fans and the casual public would have reacted to a Tiana take over where the ride retold the movie instead of a continuation.

Instead of vegetable posters we would have art work of Dr Facilier with the tagline “He will see you on the other side! Coming 2024.” Fans would be excited for familiar songs and familiar characters. Hardcore fans would rejoice in a scary thrill ride. Tiana would still be an empowering tale and they could push merchandise of beloved characters. They could have still added newer elements here and there to keep it fresh.

I just don’t understand how Disney messed this up so badly. It was almost gift-wrapped for them.

This has been discussed ad nauseam. One of the biggest critiques of Princess and the Frog is that Disney's first black princess spends 58% of the movie as a frog. People have been very vocal that they want to see Tiana as a human, and the implications of forcing her into an animal for the majority of her movie. Creating another book report ride is not nearly as black and white as people try to make it sound. Yes, it would have been wonderful to have Facilier in the ride, he's one of the best characters in the movie. But if it means getting the representation right, I can put my personal feelings aside and see why this decision is the right one. I have complete faith that an original story for this ride can be just as engaging and entertaining as the movie.

 

[mickEblu]

This has been discussed ad nauseam. One of the biggest critiques of Princess and the Frog is that Disney's first black princess spends 58% of the movie as a frog. People have been very vocal that they want to see Tiana as a human, and the implications of forcing her into an animal for the majority of her movie. Creating another book report ride is not nearly as black and white as people try to make it sound. Yes, it would have been wonderful to have Facilier in the ride, he's one of the best characters in the movie. But if it means getting the representation right, I can put my personal feelings aside and see why this decision is the right one. I have complete faith that an original story for this ride can be just as engaging and entertaining as the movie.

Why does Tiana have to be a frog if Facilier is there? What if he is unsuccessfully trying to turn her into a frog? Or any other million things they could come up with.

 

[Touchdown]

Disney villains come back to life at the theme parks all the time there was zero reason Faciller could not have come back in a non book report. Here’s one, Louis makes a deal to become human, but the side effect is every human character becomes an animal and every animal character becomes a human, except Naveen and Tiana because they’ve been both and then human Louis, Tiana and Naveen set out to fix things.

 

[Stupido]

Why does Tiana have to be a frog if Facilier is there? What if he is unsuccessfully trying to turn her into a frog? Or any other million things they could come up with.

Because Facilier is very much dead by the end of the movie, and Tiana's still a frog at that point of the story. She doesn't become Human Again until long after he's gone.

And the way they become human again is kind of the whole point of the movie. 'Changing it for the ride' kind of completely negates the entire story, and isn't worth it to shoehorn one character back into the story.

 

[J4546]

Can we have a separate thread for construction progress and a thread for people complaining

 

[mickEblu]

Because Facilier is very much dead by the end of the movie, and Tiana's still a frog at that point of the story. She doesn't become Human Again until long after he's gone.

And the way they become human again is kind of the whole point of the movie. 'Changing it for the ride' kind of completely negates the entire story, and isn't worth it to shoehorn one character back into the story.

The answer is there is no reason (story wise) Facilier can’t be there. Also Facilier is not dead, he’s just on the the other side so if there was ever a villain who could come back it’s him. How about this? Facilier uses his persuasiveness to convince the powers that be on the Other Side to let him go back to earth in exchange for (insert whatever dumb reason). Also in movies/ sequels villains or character that were dead or gone come back all the time.

 

[Stupido]

The answer is there is no reason (story wise) Facilier can’t be there.. Also Facilier is not dead, he’s just on the the other side so if there was ever a villain who could come back it’s him. How about this? Facilier uses his persuasiveness to convince the powers that be on the Other Side to let him go back to earth in exchange for (insert whatever dumb reason). Also in movies/ sequels villains or character that were dead or gone come back all the time.

They literally drag him to hell, and we get a tombstone confirming his death. At this point of the story, the character is dead. If the villains land behind BTM ever gets built, I wouldn't be surprised if Facilier gets a home there.

 

[mickEblu]

Ah, yes. The ever topical "the PC Police are out to ruin everything" response. Facilier is one of the stars of Mickey's Not So Scary Party, so I don't think Disney is holding back on using the character for any hypothetical reasons.

They literally drag him to hell, and we get a tombstone confirming his death. At this point of the story, the character is dead. If the villains land behind BTM ever gets built, I wouldn't be surprised if Facilier gets a home there.

My theory is that they’re either in the process of eliminating Facilier from the parks or more likely are trying to separate the character from the voodoo stuff. The dark horse that I hope is victorious is that they are fooling us all and that he will be present on the attraction.

A tombstone does not mean he doesn’t exist on the Other Side. So the “after life” I guess is just a foreign concept to you? Or are you insinuating that in a fantasy world of Voodoo, Magic and talking frogs that coming back to earth would be impossible?

 

[Bocabear]

Can you imagine a Snow White ride without the wicked Queen? A Cinderella ride without the step sisters of step mother? The Little Mermaid without Ursula? The villains are all crucial to these stories and give them a reason for being... the triumph of good over evil is a universal story point...
but I guess we will see....

 

[ToTBellHop]

It’s not hard to imagine Facilier’s spirit returning from The Other Side. Those ghouls come back and forth from The Other Side as it is.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Make the first section of the dark ride portion New Orleans with Tiana human, the swamp and frog section begins a bit later (perhaps after what used to be the Bear butt scene), the Laughing Place is Facilier’s big Other Side moment, and Tiana is human again by the final dark ride sequence. Boom, book report, Tiana human for all but a short dark ride segment.

 

[Incomudro]

I know I need to get over it but still wonder how fans and the casual public would have reacted to a Tiana take over where the ride retold the movie instead of a continuation.

Instead of vegetable posters we would have art work of Dr Facilier with the tagline “He will see you on the other side! Coming 2024.” Fans would be excited for familiar songs and familiar characters. Hardcore fans would rejoice in a scary thrill ride. Tiana would still be an empowering tale and they could push merchandise of beloved characters. They could have still added newer elements here and there to keep it fresh.

I just don’t understand how Disney messed this up so badly. It was almost gift-wrapped for them.

100%.

 

[MisterPenguin]

It’s not hard to imagine Facilier’s spirit returning from The Other Side. Those ghouls come back and forth from The Other Side as it is.

Do you know what keeps spirits at bay?


Salt.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Do you know what keeps spirits at bay?


Salt.

Oh I thought the quarterly dividend did that.

 

[mickEblu]

Do you know what keeps spirits at bay?


Salt.

Lol. Wow

Now if they use this in a backstory as an excuse for not having Facilier on the ride that would be just as lame as the backstory for why we don’t have an Oga AA at Ogas cantina. You remember that one right? She’s a hot head and doesn’t like people.

 

[Fox&Hound]

Make the first section of the dark ride portion New Orleans with Tiana human, the swamp and frog section begins a bit later (perhaps after what used to be the Bear butt scene), the Laughing Place is Facilier’s big Other Side moment, and Tiana is human again by the final dark ride sequence. Boom, book report, Tiana human for all but a short dark ride segment.

100%. You could have Tiana narrate the ride and have her as a human throughout (even if there were a few frog scenes). There are just so many ways to add him in.

 

[Brer Panther]

In regards to Facilier, has Disney ever even cared that much about continuity until now? Look at the Ratatouille ride - how does THAT relate to the continuity of the movie? Remy apparently has his restaurant, but Gusteau's is still open (it was shut down by the health department) and Skinner still works there (Linguini tossed his butt to the curb after he became owner of the restaurant). Not to mention Gaston is walking around alive after he fell off the roof of a castle, Rapunzel still has her long blonde hair, the Beast is still a beast, Ariel is still a mermaid if you happen to meet her in her grotto...

Would anybody even care if Facilier appeared in the attraction just because it takes place after the movie?

PATF, now for some curious reason, has two massive E ticket attractions, a standalone restaurant, and soon multiple retail locations, etc., all while never being a major merch or revenue driver.

That's what I've been saying before. Disney initially brushes the film off as a flop and ignores it for years and now all of a sudden it's getting an attraction, a restaurant, etc.? Granted, I'm sure Tiana merchandise has always sold really well, but if that's the case, why did it take a whole decade for the character to get an attraction? It's all very suspicious.

And pray tell, what were those officially released rationalizations?

Well, you see, the film wasn't even an actual flop - it just didn't do as well as Disney was hoping it would. This is because they gave it a crummy release date up against Avatar, Sherlock Holmes, and the second Alvin and the Chipmunks sequel (that SOMEHOW was such a huge hit!). So what did Disney think? They assumed that it was a flop because it was hand-drawn as opposed to CGI (reminder, when Strange World flopped they didn't automatically assume it was because people don't like CGI animation anymore). They also thought it was because the name of the film was too "girly", which was why Tangled wasn't called Rapunzel.

Box-office returns aren't everything. I suppose it's subjective, but I feel pretty confident saying (almost as a statement of fact) that The Princess and the Frog is an infinitely superior film to Chicken Little, and one that has left a much larger cultural mark.

No argument there (although I've never thought that Chicken Little was that bad).

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

^Riding DHS ToT will ruin DCA ToT. I know because it’s exactly what happened to me when I rode DL’s Pirates. Before Pirates was right up with HM, but ever since due to sheer amazingness of DL Pirates, MK Pirates has lost its luster.

In both cases I liked them both for what they are. I much prefer the que and the entire setup of pirates at WDW. They also fixed the backwards waterfall issue and the treasure room is large and looks like a treasure - better storytelling.

Obviously I like the DL version a lot too but both are good and if I’m being honest the DL one does feel about 1 beat too long.