News Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress

MerlinTheGoat

MerlinTheGoat

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I don't know anything about the riverboat finale, but that sounds like a really stupid and unnecessary thing to do. And if they significantly reduce the AA's, especially to THAT degree, then we've got a serious problem and the ride is destined to be a disaster. I'll reiterate that what I was told seemingly contradicts the reduction claim, at least regarding the overall amount included in the ride. In particular, someone here said none of the old AA's were being kept and would all be scrapped. Whereas I was told the AS figures would be repurposed for the new ride.

Unless they've somehow come to the strange decision to increase the amount of AA's in the other scenes but reduce the amount in the finale. Which wouldn't be a good idea either. The finale scene is the largest room in the ride by far and the place you'd expect to see the most figures. It would feel exceptionally empty with such a piddling amount of figures. The other rooms have much more limited space, so I can't imagine there would be much room to substantially increase the amount of figures.
 
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FigmentFan82

FigmentFan82

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Disstevefan1 said:
They formally announced "dozens" of animatronics, so we will be getting at least 24....
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Bocabear

Bocabear

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Disney Analyst said:
If the finale is well staged, dynamic, and the AA's are all top of the line, it will still be thrilling to sail through. Quantity does not mean quality.
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but that was always the great thing about the Disney attractions: Haunted Mansion, Pirates, Small World... there are lots of details and characters in each setting... which makes it so dynamic... it is not just 3 or 4 animatronics on a massive set (Rio Del Donaldo)... And I will say that the Mexico attraction got exponentially better when they added the three animatronics... but we are all used to the finale being filled with animatronics and motion...a real true finale... So......
 
MerlinTheGoat

MerlinTheGoat

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Disstevefan1 said:
They formally announced "dozens" of animatronics, so we will be getting at least 24....
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Splash at WDW and Disneyland had in the ballpark of 55-65 legitimate animatronics respectively (only counting real AA's here, not limited motion props). 24 wouldn't remotely cut it. I don't believe that's anywhere close to the actual amount we're actually getting, but if it is then we'd have a big problem.

The finale alone on Splash had the largest concentration of figures in the ride, about a third of the entire population was present in that one room. It's also the only scene that is really large enough to hold that many in a single space. They'd have to go with far smaller and more limited figures to come close to making up for that amount elsewhere (and Disneyland already uses quite a few small critter figures as well as larger ones). If the claim of them reducing the amount of figures in that scene by 20 is accurate, then it likely bodes poorly for the rest of the scenes as well. You're not going to be able to make up for that loss elsewhere due to the limited space in the other rooms. Nor would I even expect them to have a disproportionately large quantity of figures in the other scenes but so few in the finale.

You can sort of compare this to the ballroom finale from Tokyo's Beauty and the Beast ride. That room seems somewhat similar in size to Splash's finale, and with much larger ride vehicles that fill most of the space. It also contains the largest quantity of figures in the ride. However, there are still only 7 figures in the scene. They're advanced A1000's, but the sparseness negatively impacts the scene (especially compared to the movie scene that has tons of guests present). Despite the overly large vehicles hogging the ballroom.

Disney Analyst said:
If the finale is well staged, dynamic, and the AA's are all top of the line, it will still be thrilling to sail through. Quantity does not mean quality.
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There's no reason to compromise on either quality or quantity, as per Disney's original standards. You don't need to have 50+ state of the art A1000 figures either. It always used to be a thing where Disney would put a smaller amount of their top of the line figures in a scene to draw the main attention, but also scatter a couple dozen lower end ones around to ensure there's still plenty to look at. It makes scenes feel much more alive and kinetic and avoids the pitfall of emptiness. Good examples being Pirates, Great Movie Ride (RIP) or the Hall of Presidents.

This compared to modern rides such as Navi River or Rise of the Resistance where you might have a dozen or so advanced AA's at most (or a paltry one in Navi's case), but that's all you get and there aren't any other lesser figures to fill things out. Most of the rooms are very empty and lined with projection effects to try and replace the character loss. As I mentioned, Tokyo's Beauty and the Beast ride still suffers from this (though to a slightly lesser degree than usual).

Even a ton of ancient A1-caliber figures scattered amongst the smaller handful of A1000's would be perfectly acceptable. Which is still infinitely better than nothing. I don't know what "model" the America Sings figures had assigned to them, but those are still capable of perfectly decent motion.

Remember also that as a replacement ride and not a new build, Splash Mountain is the standard this ride will be judged by. And it very much had both quality and quantity on its side already. In ample supply.
 
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Brer Oswald

Brer Oswald

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MerlinTheGoat said:
Splash at WDW and Disneyland had in the ballpark of 55-65 legitimate animatronics respectively (only counting real AA's here, not limited motion props). 24 wouldn't remotely cut it. I don't believe that's anywhere close to the actual amount we're actually getting, but if it is then we'd have a big problem.

The finale alone on Splash had the largest concentration of figures in the ride, about a third of the entire population was present in that one room. It's also the only scene that is really large enough to hold that many in a single space. They'd have to go with far smaller and more limited figures to come close to making up for that amount elsewhere (and Disneyland already uses quite a few small critter figures as well as larger ones). If the claim of them reducing the amount of figures in that scene by 20 is accurate, then it likely bodes poorly for the rest of the scenes as well. You're not going to be able to make up for that loss elsewhere due to the limited space in the other rooms. Nor would I even expect them to have a disproportionately large quantity of figures in the other scenes but so few in the finale.

You can sort of compare this to the ballroom finale from Tokyo's Beauty and the Beast ride. That room seems somewhat similar in size to Splash's finale, and with much larger ride vehicles that fill most of the space. It also contains the largest quantity of figures in the ride. However, there are still only 7 figures in the scene. They're advanced A1000's, but the sparseness negatively impacts the scene (especially compared to the movie scene that has tons of guests present). Despite the overly large vehicles hogging the ballroom.


There's no reason to compromise on either quality or quantity, as per Disney's original standards. You don't need to have 50+ state of the art A1000 figures either. It always used to be a thing where Disney would put a smaller amount of their top of the line figures in a scene to draw the main attention, but also scatter a couple dozen lower end ones around to ensure there's still plenty to look at. It makes scenes feel much more alive and kinetic and avoids the pitfall of emptiness. Good examples being Pirates, Great Movie Ride (RIP) or the Hall of Presidents.

This compared to modern rides such as Navi River or Rise of the Resistance where you might have a dozen or so advanced AA's at most (or a paltry one in Navi's case), but that's all you get and there aren't any other lesser figures to fill things out. Most of the rooms are very empty and lined with projection effects to try and replace the character loss. As I mentioned, Tokyo's Beauty and the Beast ride still suffers from this (though to a slightly lesser degree than usual).

Even a ton of ancient A1-caliber figures scattered amongst the smaller handful of A1000's would be perfectly acceptable. Which is still infinitely better than nothing. I don't know what "model" the America Sings figures had assigned to them, but those are still capable of perfectly decent motion.

Remember also that as a replacement ride and not a new build, Splash Mountain is the standard this ride will be judged by. And it very much had both quality and quantity on its side already. In ample supply.
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Not sure what models the America Sings animatronics were, but they were great. I was impressed with their fluidity on my trip last April, and that was them on death row. The Tokyo variants look incredible on video.

I think Disney’s fleet of animatronics from the late 60s to early 80s were great in terms of quantity and quality. Sure, these A-1000s might be capable of more advanced movement, but does that matter when you’re moving past them on a boat/ride vehicle? It’s just poor allocation of money.
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

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Roger_the_pianist said:
I have this long held theory that Disney has an elaborate process for creating IP that will overlay into existing attractions in the parks that they know need updating.

Frozen worked too perfectly in the Norway pavilion to be a coincidence, and I tend to think Tiana's story always had a path to creating a southern story that could direct away from that other movie set in the south.
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That strategy only works if the IP they're creating is successful. Tomorrowland and Lone Ranger would have been great for the castle parks if they didn't tank in theaters.
 
aladdin2007

aladdin2007

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It was rumored somewhere in this thread at one point that the finale steamboat room would be screen based. :depressed: if true. which sounds like vibes of mermaids big backdrop wall finale. They got to do better than that!!
 
TheMaxRebo

TheMaxRebo

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aladdin2007 said:
It was rumored somewhere in this thread at one point that the finale steamboat room would be screen based. :depressed: if true. which sounds like vibes of mermaids big backdrop wall finale. They got to do better than that!!
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I don't know how far back you are referencing but I believe the original plans called for more screens and a "cheap" redo but the budget has seems been greatly increased and now that is not the only expectation
 

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