MerlinTheGoat
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Eagle has been claiming that for months. I don't buy it until I see evidence.
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News Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress
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Vegas Disney Fan
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I don’t think we’re ever going to have evidence that Baxter was, or wasn’t, involved, beyond a statement a few years ago it’s been crickets, why would he or Disney speak up now?
MerlinTheGoat
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I don't expect to hear an official confirmation either way for a long time, if ever (though years down the road I could see them discussing the development and a lot of the people involved). Nor do I expect people to believe me over anyone else. Just pointing out that Eagle has a lengthy history now of claiming this, and I'm remaining skeptical until i'm given good reason to doubt what I was told.
If someone else on this forum with a lengthy track record of accurate information confirms he isn't involved (I asked Martin once and he said he doesn't have any interest in the attraction or finding out any info about it), i'll also accept it and apologize for mistaken information. But as I said, everything Disney has revealed about this attraction thus far has lined up with what the source said.
Smiley/OCD
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On another Tiana note, (I haven’t seen this mentioned unless I missed it), have there been any concept drawings of a new log-boat for the ride?
Ayla
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I believe the log boats will be very similar, if not the same.
MerlinTheGoat
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The art and models thus far have showcased pretty much identical logs to the existing ones. Though the fronts have mostly been obscured in the art. The first ever pieces of art (based on a version that is no longer applicable as it was the one with Mama Odie's tree atop the mountain) showed WDW logs without a hood ornament. In the D23 model for DL last year, they actually still had the Brer Rabbit hood ornaments. Though I am certain this was just a placeholder and the final logs will either replace the ornaments with new ones, or remove them entirely.
Smiley/OCD
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That’s what I figured…someone’s gonna have to cut Brer Rabbit off all the logs??
Just paint a Mardi Gras mask on each one!!
matt9112
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Sadly I feel like it’s playing out how many newer movie flops have from disney. Trying to to do a little bit of service for everybody and it just muddies the waters. Makes a cohesive and coherent idea and plot harder.
Imagine 6 people trying to do there own 6 tasks in the same amount of time and space as each other.
Tha Realest
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His “evidence” is the same as yours. Anecdotal claims of involvement vs no involvement. So we have to look to external evidence and related context to figure out which one bears out.
Has Tony Baxter been observed anttending any of these confabs in New Orleans? Heck, Disney even paid for Paging Mr. Morrow to go to NO.
Tha Realest
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Today’s Disney Dish went into how much the ride seems striving for authenticity perhaps at the expense of entertainment
Genius! The pinnacle of penny-pinching. Bob would be proud.
Smiley/OCD
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Holding a salt shaker…
BagOfGroceries
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I’d think he be sad no matter what. One of his creations closed, that’s more than likely saddening.
MerlinTheGoat
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You aren't saying our claims are equally plausible. You've chosen to state that Eagle is the one with the accurate info and are acting as if it's "case closed", because he's making claims that agree with the narrative you've settled on yourself. Which is fine, you're well within your right to do so. I don't have any issues with people doubting the info i've posted (if I didn't trust the person who gave me my info already, I wouldn't have believed it either, and then it started being validated). Just be up front about where your opinions stand and why.
Keep in mind that I also hate that this retheme exists at all. Regardless of how good or bad it turns out, a bad taste is probably going to linger. Splash Mountain was my favorite ride at WDW (since Epcot was destroyed in the 90s), I detest that they've removed it along with the utter buffoonery behind the decision. If they mess TBA up and can't come up with a ride that is worthy of Splash, there's going to be hell to pay. I am the furthest thing from a Disney shill imaginable and can still hardly believe the claims made about TBA from my source. They're someone I know and trust who has like-minded opinions, skepticism and dislikes about this entire project. For them to have gone from being one of the retheme's absolute biggest hater (second only to WDW Pro) to claiming it's on track to being a "worthy replacement" for Splash, well it started to have my curiosity. And with a lot of the details having been proven accurate, it now has my attention. There's still plenty of opportunity to mess the ride up, the final product is what will be the real test.
I've explained my theory as to why Tony possibly isn't being trotted out to help market this ride. I won't repeat it again. It seems like a reasonable explanation if he's actually involved as claimed.
Buried20KLeague
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Well, they pretty much summed it up in the film...
Ah, the Disney "Two Finger Point". It seems Tiana has pointed many a people to the nearest restroom.
Tha Realest
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I said this is another data point in seeming favor of the “Tony isn’t involved” category. You claimed the absence of evidence. I pointed out the competing evidence seemed equal, but that with each successive media event where Baxter’s been absent, the competing theory to yours seems more plausible.
I never said “ that Eagle is the one with the accurate info,” nor have I said it’s "case closed.” I think it’s murky earlier because there’s likely an NDO involved because he was purportedly contracted very early on. I don’t know that there will ever be any “evidence.” If he’s unusually absent at the opening I’m some will excuse that due to his age or “he’s retired.”
MerlinTheGoat
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If I hadn't heard claims that he WAS involved, I would also err on the side of it not being the case. As it stands, that was what was told to me. And that's what i've settled on for now. If I hear otherwise from someone with a good track record, I will admit to being wrong. But i've also been given no reason to doubt the source thus far, a lot of the details given have ended up being correct. From the amount of new characters being created, to it seemingly having plenty of animatronics (we'll see if it has as many as Splash), new songs etc.
I presented you with a reason why they may be keeping quiet about his involvement. The project and its PR are unique and not comparable to how they would handle any other attraction. Again, he's "the old white guy who created that alleged horrible racist ride we're destroying". They want Charita Carter (who again is an accountant, not a creative) and the other diversity crew out there promoting the ride.
ppete1975
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You assume thats splash water. The way disney has been charging more that might be the new dasani 6 dollar bottled waters.
Mike S
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If that’s the case that seems like such an extremely back handed and disrespectful way to treat one of your creatives that gave your parks some of its greatest attractions. Especially if this ride turns out great because of his involvement.
“Hey, I’m gonna need you to help rework one of your rides because people think it’s racist. We also won’t be giving you credit.”