Tiana has been popular in merchandise since she debuted.
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Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion
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Disgruntled Walt
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- In the Parks
- No
Tiana has never been oversaturated in the parks. Honestly, I was amazed they didn't add her to the Fantasmic barges when they redid it back in the 2010s.
I think this storyline (what we know so far) is convoluted and not as much fun as other possibilities. But none of that has anything to do with how much Tiana has been in the parks. What they're doing now seems fine in that regard. Not overdoing it.
Of course, I've made it clear that I wish Tiana were getting her own ride on another plot of land, but I don't want to get muted in this thread so I'll leave it at that.
I think this storyline (what we know so far) is convoluted and not as much fun as other possibilities. But none of that has anything to do with how much Tiana has been in the parks. What they're doing now seems fine in that regard. Not overdoing it.
Of course, I've made it clear that I wish Tiana were getting her own ride on another plot of land, but I don't want to get muted in this thread so I'll leave it at that.
PiratesMansion
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Precisely. It's one thing to wish they'd gone in a different direction with the ride, but I really don't think there's any evidence that there's this huge promotional push for Tiana or PATF-beyond that which would exist for any ride-in or outside of the parks.
I guess there's also a series that's coming to D+, but there's also series for characters from Up, Monsters Inc, etc. Nothing that points to Tiana getting disproportionate coverage by comparison.
Tiana is being pushed forward because Disney is creating a ride that will take place in between The Princess and the Frog and Tiana, a new show that is set to debut in the future. That's the reason.
Dear Prudence
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Isn't that what they do, though? Push their brand? Tiana is part of one of the most lucrative franchises in the world. Money runs everything. It's that simple.
mlayton144
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Of course they're pushing her more since 2020, she's the character on the most high profile ride project has been working on. Any character in that situation would be pushed.
I don't know that it actually matters where she appears in that short; it just feels like you're looking for a reason to be mad.
Oh really? I had no idea
Do you deny that they are all over the parks to levels of annoyance? Do you also deny that they are also far more present than Tiana has been in ANY capacity?
PiratesMansion sees consistency and points it out, @mickEblu gets big mad, PiratesMansion shrugs shoulders. Just another day on the forums.
Yes I agree they are over saturated, I cringe every time I hear “let it go”. And yes way more present than tiana - do you want to compare the box office of the franchises to maybe understand the business rationale for why this was?
_caleb
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You may be right that Disney is working to "appear more inclusive." (I think they're making an effort to actually be more inclusive). Don't you think there can be multiple reasons behind the decision to greenlight TBA and expand Tiana stories with the D+ series?
Yeah, like this! Tiana/PaTF is good/popular character/story that Disney could do a lot more with. The property also helps Disney engage with different audiences and helps diversify their IP lineup. It also helps them sell merch, add content to D+, address some PR missteps, address thematic inconsistencies in the parks, add a cheap/fast, high-margin snacks to the parks, etc.
It's not either "Tiana is in the same echelon as Mickey" OR "Tiana is Disney pushing an agenda."
PiratesMansion
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Not necessary. There's already been enough hand wringing over PATF's box office success and we need not add to it further. It wouldn't add anything at this point that people don't already know: that yes, PATF's box office was disappointing, but that box office alone is not the only metric by which these decisions are made (otherwise "We Don't Talk About Bruno" wouldn't be playing on IASW in the evenings), and the film has managed to find an audience over time-an audience that probably doesn't include many of the mostly childless (or people whose children have grown up long ago) millenials-and-up crowd that posts here.
Clarifying not because I doubt your personal knowledge of this, but because someone or other inevitably feels the need to bring it up every few months.
EPCOTCenterLover
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I can give you that. Good point.
The premise is a poor one, IMHO, though.PS- I thought I had shown you a photo of me and my granddaughter at WDW. Must be mistaken. Sorry.
No need to apologize at all. It's possible you did that and I just don't remember. To be clear, I don't refer to everyone as "them." I only do it when I'm unsure of their sex or 100% know someone wants to be referred to as "they/them."I can give you that. Good point.
PS- I thought I had shown you a photo of me and my granddaughter at WDW. Must be mistaken. Sorry.
Disgruntled Walt
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- In the Parks
- No
Did you just search for "sunglasses alligator splash mountain?"
PiratesMansion
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I think it just comes down to:
1. Whether or not others agree, Disney decided it didn't want anything tied to SOTS in its parks, and for that reason, Splash Mountain had to go.
2. Tiana was a logical replacement, given the setting of the film and the setting of Splash within the park, a growing fan base for the original film, and a property that sends an inclusive message-something SOTS pointedly has not had according to many people over the years, including at the film's original premiere.
As much as some people have clearly enjoyed going into Conspiracyland when it comes to this project, I really think this is it. Occam's Razor very much applies here IMO.
Vegas Disney Fan
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One could easily argue she’s been underrepresented in the parks, aside from an occasional meet and greet and an occasional parade appearance she’s been MIA for years... but that’s part of why it feels like Tiana overload now, we went from rarely ever seeing her to she’s now the focus of a new store, new restaurant, new ride, new tv show… shes everywhere.
This wasn’t unique to her, characters are often ignored, Rapunzel is wildly popular and all she has is a bathroom, Merida has nothing, etc. If they suddenly rethemed a restaurant around Merida, rethemed a store around Merida, started transforming an old ride into a Merida ride, and announced a Merida TV series people would probably be equally curious why she’s suddenly getting so much attention.
mlayton144
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With due respect, these aren’t metrics
BasiltheBatLord
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It should be pretty apparent that removing Splash was an ideological decision, not a metrics-based one (because there were no metrics that would have showed that the general public had any real problem with Splash Mountain's theme).
No it was on my YouTube recommends. They know me well
PiratesMansion
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I'm telling you the reasons. People like to do cartwheels around those facts, instead of acknowledging that those are the reasons, but they are nonetheless true.
If you're looking for hard data, I imagine you know that neither you nor I nor anyone else posting publicly on this board has that information at their fingertips.
Disstevefan1
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We all must remember they got rid of Splash in the name of social justice not metrics.
As for the replacement I think the requirement was “Not Splash mountain”
It doesn’t matter as long as they keep the flume.
mlayton144
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You had mentioned metrics earlier, was just asking what those metrics were. Can’t imagine aggravating a huge part of your fan base was justified based on any real metrics
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