CaptinEO
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I wont blindly hate or love the ride without going on it so yes.
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Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion
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Dear Prudence
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like I've said before, it will be nigh impossible to gauge if the thing is any good or not, because people who are committed to either loving or hating it will be incredibly vocal, and I suspect those that think it's just okay to mediocre (which I honestly suspect the retheme will be, mediocre at worst, competent at best) will be drowned out.
Dear Prudence
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Respectfully, there is nothing modern Disney could make that isn't in one of the parks in Asia that would be as good or as thoughtfully done as 80's or 90's era Disney imagineering, regardless of what it is or what it's replacing. The only reason the Snow White spruce up was any good is because it was a small space with very little wiggle room to make mistakes (aside from the fact that many of the effects were already faulty and not working within mere weeks of its reopening). They are incapable of the upkeep of their current and legacy attractions (45-50% of Pirates doesn't work on a good day, and they are constantly messing up normal Haunted Mansion every time they switch between that and the layover). ROTR doesn't even utilize the trackless ride system in a way that actually matters, and the screens on Smuggler's Run are constantly glitching.
I am not even overly cynical; it's just that when people (or corporations) tell me who they are, I believe them.
I don’t actually believe this haha. It’s literally impossible to know. I was trying to make a point.
I will say that I never thought Splash was all that great. A classic, yes. Not even close to being a personal favorite of mine.
Mkay.
Dear Prudence
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lol omg I was like w h a t
I am just.... dreading it either way, the stans and the apologists are gonna be insufferable.
That’s exactly it. There were no specific details on how it would be incorporated. Only that it would be “brief.” Boy, oh boy, did some folks take that tiny bit and run with it. The assumptions came out the wahzoo. It’s the same thing with the salt mine and employee-owned co-op. The details provided have suggested that this is backstory stuff, and, once again, folks are taking them and running with them, completely ignoring the fact that Disney announced multiple times that the ride is focused on a party that Tiana is giving in the middle of Mardi Gras.
You’re absolutely right. TBA won’t be Splash Mountain, no matter how good it will potentially be. But there’s nothing we can do about it. No amount of complaining on a Disney fan board, reminiscing about old times, or signatures on a petition will bring the ride back.
I’m dreading the mess that will undoubtedly continue here, but I’m very much looking forward to riding it when it opens.lol omg I was like w h a t
I am just.... dreading it either way, the stans and the apologists are gonna be insufferable.
Dear Prudence
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NGL, I am gonna diiieeee laughing if they don't bother to fix the wipe out typhoon levels of water in the last big drop, though.
Right??? If they don’t, I won’t ride again for a long time, even if I do end up liking it. I HATED getting drenched on Splash. That needs to be fixed. It’s ridiculous.
Rich T
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I have doubts that 80s Imagineering would be allowed to build their unique, grand, imaginative, IP-free concepts in today’s Disney corporate world.
For me—just my opinion—Disney as a company has very much lost its soul, focus and identity. They rarely produce anything I’m interested in these days. I found Tron at MK to be a very half-baked, soulless, forgettable experience. One and done. I don’t think it or MMRR are worth the amount of space they take up. I think Universal Orlando, SeaWorld Orlando and Dollywood all opened up attractions in 2023 that are more fun and re-rideable than both Tron and MMRR combined—and Universal achieved it with a freakin’ conveyor belt!
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TP2000
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That's exactly where I am with this retheme. I'm assuming it will be mediocre at worst, competent at best. And that's a very funny line, by the way. I love it.
That said, I am going to be interested to see how much they lean into all the inane and rather cringey details they've announced for the pre-show and line and plot-building. Stuff like "employee-owned cooperative" and "WWI segregated troops" and all the Chinese and Filipino culture that New Orleans is
But the ride itself? It will still be the same exact physical setup and log ride it always has been. My biggest hope as a huge fan of the movie soundtrack from Princess & The Frog is that they lean heavily into the music, and downplay any spoken dialogue on the ride.
SuddenStorm
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I might be among the few- but I will never ride the Tiana version. I'm already planning on a nice long break from Disneyland, unless I'm in town for something else and a friend offers to sign me in- but I plan on never riding Tiana's Salt Mine
Dear Prudence
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There were Filipino pirates in Louisiana/ the NOLA area (which is actually a fascinating topic and well worth the deep dive), and I would love to see them do something with that in the future... I am just not sure a sloppy retheme where they're trying to shoehorn every last detail they can into it is the venue for it. Wanting to include everything they can just seems suspicious to me, like if they overwhelm us with unnecessary details, we'll ignore how bland-to-bad the ride is. Like the line from Bluey, "I don't want a life lesson, I just want an ice cream!"That's exactly where I am with this retheme. I'm assuming it will be mediocre at worst, competent at best. And that's a very funny line, by the way. I love it.
That said, I am going to be interested to see how much they lean into all the inane and rather cringey details they've announced for the pre-show and line and plot-building. Stuff like "employee-owned cooperative" and "WWI segregated troops" and all the Chinese and Filipino culture that New Orleans isnotso well known for. That'll be fun to see what they do with, or if they were aware of the mass eye rolls those things got from fans and thus they tone them down or delete them from the final product.
But the ride itself? It will still be the same exact physical setup and log ride it always has been. My biggest hope as a huge fan of the movie soundtrack from Princess & The Frog is that they lean heavily into the music, and downplay any spoken dialogue on the ride.
chadwpalm
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At the end of the day, whether this overlay is amazing or a complete dud, people are still going to ride it to cool off on a hot day.
So unless it ends up so terrible to where even Disney fans won't ride it, it will most likely be a win for Disney and people will put up with it if it does turn out to be mediocre at worst, competent at best just for the water and the drop/photo.
So unless it ends up so terrible to where even Disney fans won't ride it, it will most likely be a win for Disney and people will put up with it if it does turn out to be mediocre at worst, competent at best just for the water and the drop/photo.
mickEblu
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A win aside from the fact that they spent a few hundred million on a lateral move.
Too Many Hats
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That’s exactly it. There were no specific details on how it would be incorporated. Only that it would be “brief.” Boy, oh boy, did some folks take that tiny bit and run with it. The assumptions came out the wahzoo. It’s the same thing with the salt mine and employee-owned co-op. The details provided have suggested that this is backstory stuff, and, once again, folks are taking them and running with them, completely ignoring the fact that Disney announced multiple times that the ride is focused on a party that Tiana is giving in the middle of Mardi Gras.
You’re absolutely right. TBA won’t be Splash Mountain, no matter how good it will potentially be. But there’s nothing we can do about it. No amount of complaining on a Disney fan board, reminiscing about old times, or signatures on a petition will bring the ride back.
Haha. To be fair, WDI has thrown a lot at us. Mardi Gras party, Tiana's co-op, 17 new critter characters, legit art and music from Black New Orleans artists, a quest for a missing ingredient, beignet smells, Tiana's father's WWI service, a line of hot sauces. It's hard to pin down what exactly the attraction will be.
But I'm optimistic this is a good sign. Splash Mountain felt like it had a lot going on. The best attractions have a lot of subtext; most of them just don't have an endless series of PR announcements pointing it out. We should want this to be a complex experience, amalgamating a range of influences -- with fantasy elements but also grounded in reality/history. If executed correctly, it could add a lot of depth/sophistication to Disneyland. Frozen Ever After, for example, feels like an attraction with very little beneath the surface. I'm hopeful this will deliver quite a bit more than that.
TP2000
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Isn't it funny to realize that's what we've been reduced to as Disneyland fans by the current leaders in WDI and TDA?
Hoping something is mediocre at worst, competent at best? Can you imagine if that was Walt's guiding principle for building Disneyland in the 1950's and expanding it in the 1960's?
"Give the people something mediocre at worst, competent at best." -Walt Disney, 1955
Professortango1
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People are dismissing it for a variety of reasons.
For instance, I am dismissing it because of Disney's track record with rethemes (Mission BO, Incredicoaster, DLP Space Mountain, Frozen Ever After, Snow White's Enchanted Wish) as well as the information and images they are choosing to disclose.
The concept art looks bland. And concept art usually looks a bit more lively and exciting than what we get in real life. But these concept images seem to show a ride with fewer figures and visual interest as well as showing a thrill ride devoid of any danger.
Splash worked because it was whimsical and embraced the danger we feel with a drop. Same with TOT. Same with Maelstrom. But this seems to follow in the same line of their replacements where they focus on celebration as the only emotion in a 3 minute ride, making it feel one-note and out of step with the emotions the ride's thrill elements naturally inspire.
Disney also chose to make the mountain look less iconic. The pyramid like built to a focal point of the tree was dynamic. I wasn't a huge fan of the Boat/Tree on top, but I was open to it. But now....it just looks squat and like any other log flume.
Then there's Disney's big push on the attraction backstory. I love hidden backstories to discover, but Disney has decided to make this front and center. And such a confusing an unexciting backstory. Tiana always wanted to open her own restaurant, but now she is a part-owner of a food supply chain that operates out of a derelict salt mine. That's like Captain Ahab running a frozen fish-stick company out of an old church. It feels clunky and like it is forced to justify the ride featuring human Tiana in a mountain with no danger in the story.
I loved Splash and have a bias to be sure, but also Disney has done nothing to get me excited for this replacement. If it was the book report overlay that went viral years back, I would have felt it was lazy, but I would also be excited for how they would accomplish the scenes and sequences. I would look forward to what fun/spooky events they'd find with Facilier and the shadows. But as of now, Disney's hasn't given me anything to fuel anticipation. We have a kid playing a drum set, Tiana doing a George Washington impression, and a critter band all bunched together. Oh, and Mama Odie joyfully singing to us as we go over a waterfall and fall 5 stories.
The dismissal of this overlay isn't purely out of spite because people love Splash it because people are "anti-woke," it's also because of Disney's track record and what they themselves have decided to share.
And can we all agree that the name is terrible? I was hoping TBA was a cute way of saying the name would be announced later. But nope. Mardis Gras Mountain shall never be.
Too Many Hats
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Agreed, with the exception of Snow White's Enchanted Wish. IMO that overlay is very well done. Charming, packed with details, re-rideable.
Yes, it's bad. Bland and clearly chosen by a committee. I thought Zydeco Mountain might have a nice ring to it. Oh well.