Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

[Rich T]

The food co-op seems years ahead of the events of the story. I think they started in the 1960s, decades after the timeline of PatF.

Maybe the idea is that Tiana was a pioneer with the co-op concept. It fits her character, her life experience and makes sense. It could be a factor in a movie sequel. But as a plot element in a musical log ride full of huge drops that make people miserably wet? Really?

Maybe a film sequel is the answer to the origin of all of this???

 

[PiratesMansion]

Maybe the idea is that Tiana was a pioneer with the co-op concept. It fits her character, her life experience and makes sense. It could be a factor in a movie sequel. But as a plot element in a musical log ride full of huge drops that make people miserably wet? Really?

Maybe a film sequel is the answer to the origin of all of this???

There is (or soon will be) a D+ series based around Tiana.

 

[Rich T]

There is (or soon will be) a D+ series based around Tiana.

Food co-op based? If so, this all makes sense now.

 

[Parteecia]

Disneyland’s Splash Mountain temporarily closes due to wildlife encounter

Ride malfunctions are the usual culprit behind attractions being temporarily unavailable at the “Happiest Place on Earth,” however, that wasn’t the reason behind Splash Mountain’s closure on Tuesda…

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Ride malfunctions are the usual culprit behind attractions being temporarily unavailable at the “Happiest Place on Earth,” however, that wasn’t the reason behind Splash Mountain’s closure on Tuesday afternoon.

Disneyland visitor Katie Harnish posted photos on Reddit of a baby opossum sitting on the edge of the ride vehicle track, which prompted a temporary ride closure around 5 p.m.

 

[Kirby86]

They started much earlier than that, though I agree it seems anachronistic to someone who doesn’t know this history (which I didn’t before looking it up):

Food Co-ops Before the Great Depression – Mother Earth News

Discover America’s long history of food co-ops and the historical events that influenced them.

www.motherearthnews.com

Yeah food co-ops have been around forever. They really started to be noticed by consumers after World War 2 however.

 

[MisterPenguin]

PatF takes place in 1926. The ride is 5? years after?

20th century​

On May 20, 2019, the National Register of Historic Places in the United States, listed two four story sixteen apartment buildings, Alku 1 and Alku Toinen, (Finnish for Beginning 1 and 2), located at 816 and 826 43rd Street, Kings County Brooklyn New York, as the first two coop buildings in the US, built by Finnish immigrants, on the National Register of Historic Places. Previously, on March 21, 2019, the New York State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation designated both buildings as Historic Sites in New York State.​

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By 1920, there were 2,600 consumer co-ops in the United States – all but eleven were general stores – and 80% were in towns with populations of less than 2,500. Combined sales volume for these stores was about US$260 million.​

History of cooperatives in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[LittleBuford]

PatF takes place in 1926. The ride is 5? years after?

20th century​

On May 20, 2019, the National Register of Historic Places in the United States, listed two four story sixteen apartment buildings, Alku 1 and Alku Toinen, (Finnish for Beginning 1 and 2), located at 816 and 826 43rd Street, Kings County Brooklyn New York, as the first two coop buildings in the US, built by Finnish immigrants, on the National Register of Historic Places. Previously, on March 21, 2019, the New York State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation designated both buildings as Historic Sites in New York State.​

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By 1920, there were 2,600 consumer co-ops in the United States – all but eleven were general stores – and 80% were in towns with populations of less than 2,500. Combined sales volume for these stores was about US$260 million.​

History of cooperatives in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I think the issue is that it feels anachronistic, as well as strangely out of keeping with the lighthearted and nondidactic tone that one expects of a log flume. Hopefully they’ll pull it off.

 

[Disney Analyst]

I think the issue is that it feels anachronistic, as well as strangely out of keeping with the lighthearted and nondidactic tone that one expects of a log flume. Hopefully they’ll pull it off.

I honestly still think it’s mostly backstory, World building, and some tie in to the new series.

Kind of like the backstory they added to Big Thunder in the queue.

I can’t imagine the ride itself will go into much “co-op” chatter.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I think the issue is that it feels anachronistic

Maybe it's because of my age, but, to me, there is nothing anachronistic about an early 20th century co-op. I've been aware of their long-time existence, and I grew up in a NE suburban neighborhood.

Maybe they should be mentioned in Living with the Land.

 

[LittleBuford]

Maybe it's because of my age, but, to me, there is nothing anachronistic about an early 20th century co-op.

How old are you?!

 

[MisterPenguin]

How old are you?!

More than half a century.

 

[_caleb]

I honestly still think it’s mostly backstory, World building, and some tie in to the new series.

Kind of like the backstory they added to Big Thunder in the queue.

I can’t imagine the ride itself will go into much “co-op” chatter.

I think this is exactly right.

I imagine that while writing a story for the ride (and the upcoming D+ series), they thought, "Tiana is a business owner, but wouldn't she do something to lift up her entire community?" which then quickly became, "Tiana as the owner of a big corporation and company town, Tiana is everyone's boss," which sounded more like a villain's backstory. So instead, I could see them thinking, "Tiana is an entrepreneur, but not in a corporate overlord kind of way."

And now we have a co-op backstory that people hate because they don't know what a co-op is.

 

[Disney Analyst]

I think this is exactly right.

I imagine that while writing a story for the ride (and the upcoming D+ series), they thought, "Tiana is a business owner, but wouldn't she do something to lift up her entire community?" which then quickly became, "Tiana as the owner of a big corporation and company town, Tiana is everyone's boss," which sounded more like a villain's backstory. So instead, I could see them thinking, "Tiana is an entrepreneur, but not in a corporate overlord kind of way."

And now we have a co-op backstory that people hate because they don't know what a co-op is.

I am sure the queue will have newspaper clippings with articles explaining her coop, the success, etc.

And then the ride will be focused on the adventure of finding a missing ingredient for her community celebration.

 

[LittleBuford]

And now we have a co-op backstory that people hate because they don't know what a co-op is.

That honestly isn’t why I’m sceptical about the story. As I said a few posts ago, it just seems out of keeping with what one typically expects of a log flume, which is something fun and lighthearted rather than rooted in more serious themes such as labour, food production, entrepreneurship, etc. But I realise that my concerns are based on very little information and that I may well end up loving the final product (which is my sincere hope).

 

[_caleb]

That honestly isn’t why I’m sceptical about the story. As I said a few posts ago, it just seems out of keeping with what one typically expects of a log flume, which is something fun and lighthearted rather than rooted in more serious themes such as labour, food production, entrepreneurship, etc. But I realise that my concerns are based on very little information and that I may well end up loving the final product (which is my sincere hope).

Because the "backstory" doesn't have to make it into the storyline of the ride itself, I don't see it as odd, overly-complicated, too serious, or whatever. It's how the Imagineers answer the question, "where are we and how did we get here?"

In fact, I'm glad they're thinking this through so we don't get a whole new barrel of issues with the re-theme. What was Splash Mountain's backstory?

Literally every ride and land has (at least) one backstory. Most of the time, guests don't ever know what the backstory is. On IP rides, we fill in some of the backstory with what we know from the film.

My expectations align with @Disney Analyst's on this one:

I am sure the queue will have newspaper clippings with articles explaining her coop, the success, etc.

And then the ride will be focused on the adventure of finding a missing ingredient for her community celebration.

 

[LittleBuford]

Because the "backstory" doesn't have to make it into the storyline of the ride itself, I don't see it as odd, overly-complicated, too serious, or whatever. It's how the Imagineers answer the question, "where are we and how did we get here?"

In fact, I'm glad they're thinking this through so we don't get a whole new barrel of issues with the re-theme. What was Splash Mountain's backstory?

Literally every ride and land has (at least) one backstory. Most of the time, guests don't ever know what the backstory is. On IP rides, we fill in some of the backstory with what we know from the film.

My expectations align with @Disney Analyst's on this one:

I didn’t say it’s complicated, but I do find it tonally weird for a Magic Kingdom log flume. But again, that’s just my impression based on the very sketchy details we currently have, and I remain hopeful overall that the retheme will be carried out well.

 

[_caleb]

I didn’t say it’s complicated, but I do find it tonally weird for a Magic Kingdom log flume. But again, that’s just my impression based on the very sketchy details we currently have, and I remain hopeful overall that the retheme will be carried out well.

I'm with you! Hoping!

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

I think the issue is that it feels anachronistic, as well as strangely out of keeping with the lighthearted and nondidactic tone that one expects of a log flume. Hopefully they’ll pull it off.

THIS may be the true reason I wasn't settled on the story fit. Not the historical accuracy but the feel/tone of it for a ride that is just wonderfully fun.

 

[mharrington]

I'm not sure how much faith I would put in this, but apparently, a new rumor, courtesy of a Facebook page called Disney Movie Addicts, has appeared that states that only WDW's version will be rethemed while Disneyland's will be left alone because the concept art that was shown is clearly for WDW's version. I guess whoever came up with that rumor never went to D23, which clearly had a scale model of the ride on display which has the single-file logs, found only at Disneyland.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I'm not sure how much faith I would put in this, but apparently, a new rumor, courtesy of a Facebook page called Disney Movie Addicts, has appeared that states that only WDW's version will be rethemed while Disneyland's will be left alone because the concept art that was shown is clearly for WDW's version. I guess whoever came up with that rumor never went to D23, which clearly had a scale model of the ride on display which has the single-file logs, found only at Disneyland.

Technically, it's not a rumor, but a supposition based on the flimsiest of hint, namely, one piece of concept art.

And as a supposition... you're right to question it since, by itself, it's totally dumb, and, of course, the counter-example you mentioned blows up the supposition.