I can count on one hand, between this thread and the one in the WDW forums, of how many posts I’ve seen that are in favor of this change. Over-exaggerating a bit there, huh?
Let’s say I did sign one of those petitions. So?
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Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion
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Let’s say I did sign one of those petitions. So?
Brer Panther
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Constantly talking about how racist the attraction/Song of the South is and defending Disney's decision to retheme are both a pretty big indicator that you're in favor of the retheme.
Dear Prudence
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I mean, honestly, why would anyone put their name on an online petition in either direction? 1. They're largely meaningless, 2. I wouldn't want anyone to know that much about me, 3. I find Change dot org questionable, honestly. Monetized "changing the world?" I'll pass.
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josh2000
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I don't care all that much about if they do it or don't do it. But I absolutely understand why Disney wants to retheme the attraction and I think their logic is sound. I have criticized Song of the South for being racist and defended Disney's decision to retheme but if it doesn't happen then I'm not going to care. Just because someone defends Disney's position, doesn't mean they're the same people demanding that this retheme happen.
PiratesMansion
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Understanding =/= defending, or being in favor of the retheme.
A non-Disney example: I understand perfectly well why hotels in places like Las Vegas charge for resort fees and parking. That is not the same thing as me thinking it's a good move or me supporting that they do so.
I'm not sure why this is a difficult point to understand.
Understanding why this is happening is not necessarily the same as agreeing with the decision/liking the decision.
I understand why the local street tacos on the corner of my block went up in price and are now double than what they used to be. Doesn't mean I actually want to pay double, but I get why the prices have increased.
Not the same.
Dear Prudence
Well-Known Member
The vast majority of the people who are obsessed with the retheme aren't even people whom this actually effects and drown out the people whom it actually does--in either direction. There's your answer. It has nothing to do with the topic at hand or its meaning, it's about centering yourself somewhere you don't belong to the detriment of someone else.
brb1006
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Follow The Leader is also used for the Peter Pan Float at Tokyo Disneyland Electrical Parade Dreamlights.
No Name
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Nah we’re still over 4 months away from the two year mark. No doubt it’s been a long time but it’s awfully early to say we’re “coming up on the two year anniversary.”
GoneForGood
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jasminethecat
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Holy cow, people really must love the freaking brer bear and Brer fox here. You all must have tshirts and teddy bears and all sorts of stuff in your house about it.
Harmless, cute and beloved ride? Yes.
Comes from a racist source? Yes.
Disneys decision? Yes.
Does it make people sound racist who boycott something so stupid? Yes.
If you don’t want to go to Disney again for any reason that’s fine. But to say that you won’t ever go back because they’re changing a ride to celebrate a black princess in lieu of a ride theme which has anti-black ties, then you really need to think about your life so far.
Harmless, cute and beloved ride? Yes.
Comes from a racist source? Yes.
Disneys decision? Yes.
Does it make people sound racist who boycott something so stupid? Yes.
If you don’t want to go to Disney again for any reason that’s fine. But to say that you won’t ever go back because they’re changing a ride to celebrate a black princess in lieu of a ride theme which has anti-black ties, then you really need to think about your life so far.
Dear Prudence
Well-Known Member
Oh my
Brer Panther
Well-Known Member
That was clearly a lie.
And no, @jasminethecat, Disney is not doing this to celebrate Tiana. They're just using her as a weapon against the Brers.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Was it? Do you have proof of that or just your gut feeling based on the disdain for this project (for which you are likely wrong)?
Now that is funny, Disney using IP as weapons against their other IP. That would make for a great movie, call it The Great Disney IP War.
Never forget when Disney dropped Fat Louie and Little Frog on California and Orlando's Splashes
Brer Panther
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Am I really just supposed to assume it's a coincidence that Disney just so happened to be planning the very same idea that people started demanding they do after somebody posted their idea for it on Twitter? Unless Disney orchestrated everything so they wouldn't get flack for replacing such a popular attraction, I'm calling bullcrap.
Also, Disney didn't give a rat's tail about The Princess and the Frog until 2020. They brushed it off as a flop for not making as much money as they were hoping, called its "flopping" proof that hand-drawn animated films were dangerous, and ignored the film for years in favor of stuff like Tangled and Frozen. If it weren't for the fact that Tiana is in the Disney Princesses line, they likely wouldn't have acknowledged it at all. Why would they suddenly do a 180 on it and decide it was successful enough for a ride? They've cancelled rides based on movies that flopped before. Remember the Atlantis retheme of Submarine Voyage?
jasminethecat
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Sorry, I am not sure I understand. I get that your name has Brer in it so you must really like those characters, but we're both cats so I feel like we should be able to come to some common ground. I would really like to hear why or how you might think Tiana is a weapon in this case. Does that mean she doesn't deserve an attraction in your opinion, or that they only picked her because she is black? And is that a bad thing, to give their only black princess a re-themed attraction to replace one which has racial controversy (controversy which has been confirmed by the fact that disney speaks its name less than Voldemort since the 1980's)?
Disney Irish
Premium Member
You can believe whatever you want to believe, that this is some conspiracy or something, doesn't make it true.
At the time even the NY Times had reported that Disney had been working on the retheme of Splash for 5 years prior to the announcement, and that it was the PatF theme they decided on the year prior. And remember it has been reported by many former Imagineers over the years that Disney has shelves full of ideas for both new and existing attractions that use all sorts of IP.
Also as has been stated here a couple times, people throw ideas around for retheming different attractions all the time and post them on the internet, even on this very site. Armchair Imagineering has become something of a common thing among Disney Parks Fans. Sometimes a coincidence is really just a coincidence.
Not true, Tiana and Dr Facilier have both had a presence in the Parks at various times since the movie was released. So its not like its just some forgotten IP that was never used.
This is all false. I really wish you would stop making things up in your head and trying to present them as facts.
This is tiring, now.