It’s been 14 years since Tomorrowland has gotten any real additions so why do we keep feeding into rumors of an updated land?

[Gusey]

Also there is zero reason that they need to close the whole land at once for construction, of course they'd do it one section at a time. That excuse was brought up then and still is today.

Even if they were to redo the peoplemover tracks it would be one section at a time.

I get OPs point though Disney has shown a lack of caring for Tommorowland. Fans each year speculate on a redo but it never happens.

I still think Toontown and Critter Country were trial runs for a New Tomorrowland. Both lands saw construction on a major attraction in the land first, before closing completely leading up to opening, depending on the scale of work to do (Toontown closed 1 year, Critter Country closed for roughly 4 months)

 

[Disstevefan1]

It’s been 14 years since Tomorrowland has gotten any real additions so why do we keep feeding into rumors of an updated land?

Answer: Hope.

 

[TheRealSkull]

When I joined Disney message boards during the 50th everyone was sure there would be a Tommorowland Redo even back then. Crazy to think that was 20 years ago.

Also there is zero reason that they need to close the whole land at once for construction, of course they'd do it one section at a time. That excuse was brought up then and still is today.

Even if they were to redo the peoplemover tracks it would be one section at a time.

I get OPs point though Disney has shown a lack of caring for Tommorowland. Fans each year speculate on a redo but it never happens.

The Innoventions building which is huge is just a darth vader meet and greet for 2 hours of the day. Captain EO's theater is closed. People Mover is closed.

The entrance redo has been abandoned and wasn't even ambitious in the first place.

Autopia and the subs are in drastic need of a retheme or retooling. Tokyo who had the same Space Mountain as us is already constructing their new Space Mountain, Land should be doing the same.

At this point unless a new futuristic or scifi movie under Disney is successful expect nothing to change. I'm not even sure I want this current leadership to do a redo considering that 2 years ago they were going to make a Lightyear themed Space Mountain and People Mover until the movie bombed.

I don't see why Disney couldn't rip the band-aid and close the entirety of the land. They did it the last time Tomorrowland went down for a refresh.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I don't see why Disney couldn't rip the band-aid and close the entirety of the land. They did it the last time Tomorrowland went down for a refresh.

My dream would be to close down the entire land and BRING BACK THE PEOPLEMOVER!

 

[TheRealSkull]

My dream would be to close down the entire land and BRING BACK THE PEOPLEMOVER!

While some see the closure of an entire land as a tremendous loss for 3-4 years, with Disneyland comprising of primarily locals and annual passholders, I think Disney is underestimating just how many people would be okay with that sacrifice. I am positive it would go over extremely well.

 

[chadwpalm]

I still think Toontown and Critter Country were trial runs for a New Tomorrowland. Both lands saw construction on a major attraction in the land first, before closing completely leading up to opening, depending on the scale of work to do (Toontown closed 1 year, Critter Country closed for roughly 4 months)

I don't see why Disney couldn't rip the band-aid and close the entirety of the land. They did it the last time Tomorrowland went down for a refresh.

There's a huge difference in comparing the sizes of Toontown and Critter Country to the size of Tomorrowland which takes up nearly 1/3 of all the acreage of the entire park.

If you took all of the people in Tomorrowland that walking the land, standing in lines for and being on attractions, are in line or sitting at one of the eating establishments, you would have to displace them to other parts of the park making them more crowded. Disney would need to reduce the amount of people that can make reservations in order to maintain the crowd levels they max out at now. That would not be good for those who already complain there aren't enough reservations and would also decrease revenue for the park.

If they were to redo the entirety of Tomorrowland, they would have to do it in pieces. It's just too much real estate to shut down over a long period of time. Perhaps after DLF is finished and the parks expanded that they could possibly do something like that, but I still doubt it.

 

[Phroobar]

My dream would be to close down the entire land and BRING BACK THE PEOPLEMOVER!

I always thought that idea was weird. I'm actually old enough to have routinely ridden the Peoplemover at Disneyland. It is a pretty boring ride. Why can't we have something better and new? Why the nostalgia for something most people here never experienced?

 

[Consumer]

Also always laugh when I see Ratchat constantly bringing up (even last week) how Disney needs to "move Star Tours" to Galaxy's Edge. As if it is some portable building they could move.

It would be the same cost as building a brand new ride to demolish and rebuild star tours.

The bulk of the ride are the simulators, which would be relatively easy to move in the grand scheme of things.

 

[TheRealSkull]

There's a huge difference in comparing the sizes of Toontown and Critter Country to the size of Tomorrowland which takes up nearly 1/3 of all the acreage of the entire park.

If you took all of the people in Tomorrowland that walking the land, standing in lines for and being on attractions, are in line or sitting at one of the eating establishments, you would have to displace them to other parts of the park making them more crowded. Disney would need to reduce the amount of people that can make reservations in order to maintain the crowd levels they max out at now. That would not be good for those who already complain there aren't enough reservations and would also decrease revenue for the park.

If they were to redo the entirety of Tomorrowland, they would have to do it in pieces. It's just too much real estate to shut down over a long period of time. Perhaps after DLF is finished and the parks expanded that they could possibly do something like that, but I still doubt it.

But you missed what I said:
They've done it before. I don't think there's any reason they can't do it again. Think of what crowds had to do pre-Galaxy's Edge. There were no 14-acres for guests to occupy and what happened? Disneyland did just fine without Galaxy's Edge for as long as it did, and Tomorrowland is much smaller than it.

 

[coffeefan]

I always thought that idea was weird. I'm actually old enough to have routinely ridden the Peoplemover at Disneyland. It is a pretty boring ride. Why can't we have something better and new? Why the nostalgia for something most people here never experienced?

I would toss the new Autopia vehicles on the Peoplemover track and name it the Autopia Peoplemover, and kill two birds with one stone. Then use the land for something new.

 

[Phroobar]

I would toss the new Autopia vehicles on the Peoplemover track and name it the Autopia Peoplemover, and kill two birds with one stone. Then use the land for something new.

That's thinking outside of the box. An elevated road would be pretty cool especially if I could drive it without a guard rail.

 

[Andrew25]

With Disney confirming that the D23 announcement are expected to open within 5 years, my expectation is that Disney is gearing up towards fixing Tomorrowland in the second phase of this 10-year plan.

Seems like they're tackling each coast in a similar level by getting other things prioritized to then allow for a massive overhaul:

In the east coast, WDW is prioritizing the western side of the park with Cars/Villains, eventually they can handle work on Tomorrowland with that additional capacity up and running. At DL, they are prioritizing DCA with the hopes of all those additions able to become popular and move more guests (specifically APs) into DCA.

Both WDW & DLR also share Star Tours, and I can easily see them tackling both projects simultaneously if adding Mando/Grogu to Falcon does well.

 

[MK-fan]

With Disney confirming that the D23 announcement are expected to open within 5 years, my expectation is that Disney is gearing up towards fixing Tomorrowland in the second phase of this 10-year plan.

Seems like they're tackling each coast in a similar level by getting other things prioritized to then allow for a massive overhaul:

In the east coast, WDW is prioritizing the western side of the park with Cars/Villains, eventually they can handle work on Tomorrowland with that additional capacity up and running. At DL, they are prioritizing DCA with the hopes of all those additions able to become popular and move more guests (specifically APs) into DCA.

Both WDW & DLR also share Star Tours, and I can easily see them tackling both projects simultaneously if adding Mando/Grogu to Falcon does well.

when did Disney confirm that all these projects will open within 5 years of the announcement?

 

[chadwpalm]

But you missed what I said:
They've done it before. I don't think there's any reason they can't do it again.

I didn't miss anything you said, you're just incorrect. Tomorrowland was not completely shut down for the 1998 refurb. It was done in pieces for the bulk of the construction and only completely closed the last few of months of construction to wrap things up. I can show you at least 3 videos on YouTube that prove this. One of them early in the construction where people are on the still operating Peoplemover filming Innoventions and Space Mountain behind construction walls, and one of them taken in January of 1998 showing people walking through Tomorrowland with walls up around the now Buzz building and Star Tours.

Think of what crowds had to do pre-Galaxy's Edge. There were no 14-acres for guests to occupy and what happened? Disneyland did just fine without Galaxy's Edge for as long as it did, and Tomorrowland is much smaller than it.

Actually, let's think about how the crowds were AFTER the opening of GE:

BREAKING: Disneyland Reaches Capacity, Suspends Ticket Sales For Day

Disneyland Park has reached capacity as of 2:30 PM on December 27th. Read on to find out how this might affect your vacation plans.

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Yes, it was the busy holiday season, but the addition of GE still didn't prevent it from happening. Removing Tomorrowland would have been a nightmare back then.

Now advance to today. With the reservation system they can mitigate the crowds ahead of time. People don't notice changes when lands are added because they just add more reservation capacity.

It's much different when you take space away. As I said before, they would need to reduce the reservation capacity and people WILL notice that. MK holders already complain that it is hard to get a reservation within a two to three week lead time. Imagine if they reduced them. Social media and the instantaneous spreading of information has changed how Disney operates. The outcries are heard much quicker and deeper. (See AI portraits)

So no, I still don't believe that they would close 1/3 of Disneyland for multiple years to redo Tomorrowland, even with the existence of GE now. In fact, I don't believe a TL overhaul will happen in my lifetime.

 

[Gusey]

when did Disney confirm that all these projects will open within 5 years of the announcement?

At the end of the Parks panel at D23, Josh said it

 

[Andrew25]

when did Disney confirm that all these projects will open within 5 years of the announcement?

At the end of the panel and in later media distributions. Whether or not it ends up that way, who knows, but Disney appears to be far more aggressive now in the build timelines.

Again, so many things can happen between now and phase 2 (new CEO changes directions, economic shifts, etc.), but I'm far more optimistic than in 2020.

 

[chadwpalm]

With Disney confirming that the D23 announcement are expected to open within 5 years

At the end of the Parks panel at D23, Josh said it

At the end of the panel and in later media distributions

What he said specifically, while showing an image of ALL of the projects across ALL of the parks around the world, "I can't wait for you to see these projects start to come to life over the next 5 years."

That can be interpreted many ways. This could easily mean that sometime in the next 5 years they will start breaking ground on some (or many) of these new projects, but it doesn't necessarily elude to the fact that all of the DCA projects will be done and open within 5 years.

That said, we do know that the AC additions are breaking ground soon and can very well be finished within 5 years, but we have no clue when Coco or Avatar will start breaking ground, let alone when they will be finished.

 

[TheRealSkull]

I didn't miss anything you said, you're just incorrect. Tomorrowland was not completely shut down for the 1998 refurb. It was done in pieces for the bulk of the construction and only completely closed the last few of months of construction to wrap things up. I can show you at least 3 videos on YouTube that prove this. One of them early in the construction where people are on the still operating Peoplemover filming Innoventions and Space Mountain behind construction walls, and one of them taken in January of 1998 showing people walking through Tomorrowland with walls up around the now Buzz building and Star Tours.

Actually, let's think about how the crowds were AFTER the opening of GE:

BREAKING: Disneyland Reaches Capacity, Suspends Ticket Sales For Day

Disneyland Park has reached capacity as of 2:30 PM on December 27th. Read on to find out how this might affect your vacation plans.

allears.net

Yes, it was the busy holiday season, but the addition of GE still didn't prevent it from happening. Removing Tomorrowland would have been a nightmare back then.

Now advance to today. With the reservation system they can mitigate the crowds ahead of time. People don't notice changes when lands are added because they just add more reservation capacity.

It's much different when you take space away. As I said before, they would need to reduce the reservation capacity and people WILL notice that. MK holders already complain that it is hard to get a reservation within a two to three week lead time. Imagine if they reduced them. Social media and the instantaneous spreading of information has changed how Disney operates. The outcries are heard much quicker and deeper. (See AI portraits)

So no, I still don't believe that they would close 1/3 of Disneyland for multiple years to redo Tomorrowland, even with the existence of GE now. In fact, I don't believe a TL overhaul will happen in my lifetime.

You’re right, my bad, the 1998 refurb wasn’t a full closure, but times have changed. They can temporarily reduce capacity if needed, and while some complaints might arise, it’s manageable. I don't think it would be as bad as people expect it, and that's because when I say a full closure of the land, I assume that's everything closed except Space Mountain (and maybe Star Tours, though if they want to bring the PeopleMover back that's iffy). They would need to find ways to route the guests through a sea of workwalls. They probably would need virtual queues implemented. With this, I don't believe the consequences would be too disastrous. It's all about good execution.

Yes, closing a good chunk of Disneyland would be a big deal, but the long-term benefits of fixing such a critical and outdated area could justify the temporary inconvenience. Again, I would bet a majority of Disneyland passholders would really be okay with this.

That being said, I do agree with you on this point. I don't think they'll do this, but it is certainly possible.

 

[CaptinEO]

I don't see why Disney couldn't rip the band-aid and close the entirety of the land. They did it the last time Tomorrowland went down for a refresh.

I would say because of ops but Disney doesn't even care about that anymore and let Splash Mountain, Haunted Mansion, and the Railroad be closed for a year together. I really don't know anymore.

 

[Gusey]

What he said specifically, while showing an image of ALL of the projects across ALL of the parks around the world, "I can't wait for you to see these projects start to come to life over the next 5 years."

That can be interpreted many ways. This could easily mean that sometime in the next 5 years they will start breaking ground on some (or many) of these new projects, but it doesn't necessarily elude to the fact that all of the DCA projects will be done and open within 5 years.

That said, we do know that the AC additions are breaking ground soon and can very well be finished within 5 years, but we have no clue when Coco or Avatar will start breaking ground, let alone when they will be finished.

We know Coco will break ground in 2026. Avatar is the only Disneyland Projects without a start date, but that might be because more prep is needed if it's replacing Hollywoodland and the bus loop