Tiana’s Bayou Adventure SPOILER Thread

Moth

Well-Known Member
I was really hoping that since it was new it'd survive getting to skip a 2025 refurb.

I just hope it stays open for at least a little bit of time while I'm there. We planned these dates around my birthday (January 9) but also doing it early enough in January that we get ahead of most of the historical dates for things closing for their annual refurb. I want to experience this badly.

It looks like historically in the last handful of years of Splash's life they didn't close it until around a week and a half into the new year, so I'm hoping if they must, then that'll be the same case. Even if it's just open for a day while we're there that'll be enough. I just need to get on it once.

Here's to hoping they give it at least a week into the New Year. Ideally once the Marathon weekend is done.

Tell your contacts to tell Disney to wait for me Moth!!
If it means anything these aren't sources saying this haha, just my gut!

I think Tiana could go either way with it being new yeah, but the logic of 'refurb a bit early Jan, take it off VQ after, have it on once BTM goes off' feels sound? Hope you get to ride it though.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Cute. The story is far too short for the ride system. Should have had a custom-built show building and different ride system instead of replacing Splash (which is something I said from the outset). It's a confusing mix of disparate storylines - Salt mine, spices, Tiana's is a "successful co-op" and Tiana is now a celebrated business owner, and "gotta find these musical creatures to play at our party". So you're supposed to "find" the band but they feel like an afterthought. The shrinking/growing bit is confusing. Animatronics are impressive.

What year is that vehicle in the queue, again?
 

ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ

HOUSE OF MAGIC
Premium Member
Question: did that fog effect they bragged about at D23 even make it into the ride? Is it the effect they use to have Mama Odie "shrink" you?
Yes. That's the "true bayou magic" and it's a terribly executed effect. A better interpretation or ideal setup would be a fog screen at the beginning, haze inside with a light feature not being clipped by the concrete structure and a fog screen at end. But sensors.... the culprit for most of TBAs issues.
 

Disgruntled Walt

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
For Halloween, they should shut all of the lights and audio off and have it be completely pitch black. It might actually be more enjoyable, and authentic for how salt mines were, at least one that is flooded with water.
 

Mr. Sullivan

Well-Known Member
Or until they swallow their pride and fix what they know they need to fix. Im guessing enough time will need to pass by so that certain folks aren't offended. Bad optics to change it now for a few reasons.
What they objectively, nobody can argue about it need to fix are its technical faults. Splash was getting them badly in its final years and it seems they either didn’t address that at all or they tried and didn’t work. There’s no excuse for that. Every ride has hiccups upon opening, but there is no universe where this should be experiencing the same problems Splash was having, but on an even larger scale.

They could maybe do this during a winter refurb if they have identified the specific issues. Unsure how long or how much that would take.

As for the matters of story and characters and experience (experience that goes beyond technical difficulty that is), I would say that would take a massive amount of negative feedback from a significant number of guests either on their surveys or in some other way.

And I don’t think that’s really what is happening. In the Disney fandom, now that more people have gotten to ride it, the opinions of it have seemed to settle much more firmly into mixed rather than weighted heavily negative like it was when all we had was the POV. Some Disney fans like or love it, some hate it.

Within the general public, I don’t really know exactly how they feel because there’s no real way to collect that information on our end as they’re not in social media circles or on forums talking about it. However, I would bet that if the general public was responding negatively to it, we’d know. We’ve seen before rather quickly when there’s a negative response from the gp.

All that to say, it’s got objective issues that we all agree need to get under control. But when you start getting into the story, the aesthetics, or the IP itself, that’s so subjective to each individual that I don’t see how or why Disney would respond to that unless, like I said earlier, they starting getting a considerable amount of negative feedback from different quadrants of guests.

We for better or worse as members of the fandom exist in an echo chamber where we get stuck in a big feedback loop based solely on what parks fans say and think. More often than not though, I feel our conversations aren’t reflective of the wider conversation happening beyond our bubble and that’s ultimately the conversation Disney listens to.

They won’t address anything about the story or aesthetics or anything just because the fandom said they should. We are but a drop in the ocean of people they’re catering to.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
What they objectively, nobody can argue about it need to fix are its technical faults. Splash was getting them badly in its final years and it seems they either didn’t address that at all or they tried and didn’t work. There’s no excuse for that. Every ride has hiccups upon opening, but there is no universe where this should be experiencing the same problems Splash was having, but on an even larger scale.

They could maybe do this during a winter refurb if they have identified the specific issues. Unsure how long or how much that would take.

As for the matters of story and characters and experience (experience that goes beyond technical difficulty that is), I would say that would take a massive amount of negative feedback from a significant number of guests either on their surveys or in some other way.

And I don’t think that’s really what is happening. In the Disney fandom, now that more people have gotten to ride it, the opinions of it have seemed to settle much more firmly into mixed rather than weighted heavily negative like it was when all we had was the POV. Some Disney fans like or love it, some hate it.

Within the general public, I don’t really know exactly how they feel because there’s no real way to collect that information on our end as they’re not in social media circles or on forums talking about it. However, I would bet that if the general public was responding negatively to it, we’d know. We’ve seen before rather quickly when there’s a negative response from the gp.

All that to say, it’s got objective issues that we all agree need to get under control. But when you start getting into the story, the aesthetics, or the IP itself, that’s so subjective to each individual that I don’t see how or why Disney would respond to that unless, like I said earlier, they starting getting a considerable amount of negative feedback from different quadrants of guests.

We for better or worse as members of the fandom exist in an echo chamber where we get stuck in a big feedback loop based solely on what parks fans say and think. More often than not though, I feel our conversations aren’t reflective of the wider conversation happening beyond our bubble and that’s ultimately the conversation Disney listens to.

They won’t address anything about the story or aesthetics or anything just because the fandom said they should. We are but a drop in the pool of people they’re catering to.

The YouTube comments and dislikes on Disneys POV would seem to prove what you’re saying is false. You can’t downplay that feedback as being just a few hardcore fans.
 

Epcot81Fan

Well-Known Member
The YouTube comments and dislikes on Disneys POV would seem to prove what you’re saying is false. You can’t downplay that feedback as being just a few hardcore fans.
I would argue it is one of the most consistent opinions in recent Disney memory.

Usually, there are those making passionate arguments for any new Disney creative product, but for this disaster you just see a dwindling number of folks tepidly pitching “well, it doesn’t suck as much as you say it sucks”.

In an odd way, being such a complete embarrassment may have brought us all a little closer together.

#tianaunity
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
I would argue it is one of the most consistent opinions in recent Disney memory.

Usually, there are those making passionate arguments for any new Disney creative product, but for this disaster you just see a dwindling number of folks tepidly pitching “well, it doesn’t suck as much as you say it sucks”.

In an odd way, being such a complete embarrassment may have brought us all a little closer together.

#tianaunity

Haha right or just the over emphasis of the tech issues as if they re the only problem or because they are the only acceptable part of this disaster to critique.
 

Mr. Sullivan

Well-Known Member
The YouTube comments and dislikes on Disneys POV would seem to prove what you’re saying is false. You can’t downplay that feedback as being just a few hardcore fans.
I’ve had this conversation before about how we cannot take YouTube likes/dislikes at face value when we know for certain that there are brigaders on either end of the spectrum who latch onto stuff, especially when it’s got to do with Disney.

It has been an incredibly unreliable metric for ANYTHING, not just Disney, for well over half a decade now. When fandoms realized they could vote/review bomb on places like YouTube, Metacritic, Rotten Tomatoes, etc, those things became a tool for an agenda rather than an actual metric of general people’s thoughts and feelings.

That is not to say that there aren’t people expressing their true feelings. There are I’m sure. But that water will always be muddy the longer YouTube refuses to crack down on that issue like other places (Rotten Tomatoes being the prime example) have. They have been begged to, but they sit by while it grows to be more and more of an issue and their platform degrades further and further into just being a place for people to yell and scream. It’s even being reflected in who is creating content at a large scale there now.

I’ll trust that as a metric when we don’t see every movie trailer, everything posted that has to do with Star Wars, every video about politics, every video having to do with black or queer people, videos to do with whatever celebrity people have decided they hate this week, etc getting bombarded with negative reactions.

I’m very open to hearing feedback from many different sources, but YouTube is not one. Not in the state it’s fallen into.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
I’ve had this conversation before about how we cannot take YouTube likes/dislikes at face value when we know for certain that there are brigaders on either end of the spectrum who latch onto stuff, especially when it’s got to do with Disney.

It has been an incredibly unreliable metric for ANYTHING, not just Disney, for well over half a decade now. When fandoms realized they could vote/review bomb on places like YouTube, Metacritic, Rotten Tomatoes, etc, those things became a tool for an agenda rather than an actual metric of general people’s thoughts and feelings.

That is not to say that there aren’t people expressing their true feelings. There are I’m sure. But that water will always be muddy the longer YouTube refuses to crack down on that issue like other places (Rotten Tomatoes being the prime example) have. They have been begged to, but they sit by while it grows to be more and more of an issue and their platform degrades further and further into just being a place for people to yell and scream. It’s even being reflected in who is creating content at a large scale there now.

I’ll trust that as a metric when we don’t see every movie trailer, everything posted that has to do with Star Wars, every video about politics, every video having to do with black or queer people, videos to do with whatever celebrity people have decided they hate this week, etc getting bombarded with negative reactions.

I’m very open to hearing feedback from many different sources, but YouTube is not one. Not in the state it’s fallen into.

So you believe that Disney knew this was going to be the reaction and posted it anyway? If that happens on every video why would Disney release a POV on YouTube a month before it opened to the GP? Are they stupid?
 

Mr. Sullivan

Well-Known Member
So you believe that Disney knew this was going to be the reaction and posted it anyway? If that happens on every video why would Disney release a POV on YouTube a month before it opened to the GP? Are they stupid?
Yes. Yes I do believe they're stupid. Most of us believe they are, and that YouTube video is one of the clearest proofs we've got of it.

For years now (2017 specifically and we all know why), they've been stupidly trying to confront the narrative rather than just letting the discourse play out without their involvement. They've lived in total fear of getting caught up in some sort of social discourse since TLJ and they always without fail ever since try to fix things when it starts. They end up putting themselves in the middle of it.

They saw Tiana's Bayou Adventure get caught up in social discourse the moment they announced it, and then saw that discourse swell when they got caught up in another scandal that got them the ire of a certain segment of the US population. That segment latched onto this ride as one of the core pillars of their brand new beef with the Mouse. They posted this video in attempt to once again confront that, and it backfired on them because they have seemingly yet to learn that the more attention they give it, the more those folks are encouraged.


They absolutely were beyond stupid, indefensively stupid to post that video. They could've posted a video of the greatest ride ever built and the response would've been the exact same because that's just what platforms like YouTube are now.

It's become an out of control problem across multiple social media and other media platforms and Disney continuously opens themselves up to it.

Yes. They're stupid.
 

Stupido

Well-Known Member
I'm going to preface this by saying that I have been very outspoken about my love for Princess and the Frog, and how happy I am that Tiana and all have become part of Disney Park History. Now having ridden it twice, I can objectively say that while I genuinely enjoy the attraction, and I do think it is on par with its predecessor, it's not the Princess and the Frog attraction of my dreams.

I think if we're talking about edits to the ride to improve it, the number one glaring change for me would be adding more Naveen. At its heart, Princess and the Frog is a love story, and in my opinion tied for the best one they've ever told. I understand wanting to show Tiana as "more than a lover", but the core of the movie is how much she and Naveen love each other, and how incomplete their lives were without each other. Her dream wouldn't be complete without him in it, and neither is her attraction. Also, Princess and the Frog is extremely funny, and I do think the attraction would be stronger by embracing the tone of humor from the movie.

The other main problem is that Tiana's Bayou Adventure tries to wear too many hats. I think it's obvious the original storyline was going into the bayou to find a special spice, and the spice turning out to be the rider. The finale song Special Spice, which most likely started pretty early in the retheme processes, addresses that entire concept. When people quickly put together the storyline and bashed it, Disney got cold feet and pivoted. It seems like all of the critter bands came from the idea of "well, they love the cute singing animals on splash, so we need to have some here too." It feels like the entire band story came about to appease the Save Splashers, and to be able to say there are still xx amount of figures on the ride. They never really let the story be its own thing, and that's the rides biggest fault.

Since nobody asked and the insomnia is really insomning tonight, I'll get into my overly thought out and probably awful version of the attraction. In my perfect world, the ride would simply be a trip to the bayou with Tiana, Louis, and Naveen. Maybe they want to catch up with us and show us what's happened since the movie, or maybe to make sure blind Mama Odie could read her invitation to the party. That wacky Mama Odie could literally be the start of any storyline they want. To me, the reason you go out to the bayou really isn't that important, the real magic happens once you get there.

The first lift and current garden scene would be Tiana, Naveen, and Louis catching us up on what's new in their world. Just light hearted humor to set the tone, and make us connect with the characters.

The current Going Down to the Bayou scene would stay in theory (much more hijinks with the trio, lots of giggles in the scene. This ride should have some of the loudest guest laughs in Magic Kingdom), and it would be re-recorded with Tiana, Louis and Naveen singing with the fireflies. I'm okay* committing to the idea that this story takes place after Shadowman is dead, but then so is Ray. You don't get it both ways.

*as long as Facilier is featured in Villiansland, and Friends on the Other Side be worked into the next nighttime spectacular.

To honor Ray, I'd update the Frog room to a scene of Tiana and Naveen revisiting their dance from the movie, but this time as humans. Naveen would sing My Belle Evangeline, with Louis on the Trumpet. This would be a very emotional moment, with a strong homage to Ray and Evangeline and a special twinkling star effect above them. The movie has so much heart, the attraction should remind you of this.

I truly believe the lift being Dig a Little Deeper works, but it needs to be bigger. I would absolutely add in Mama Odie's birds, and a more exciting lighting package on then climb. The birds could really add the wow factor, and take the lift to the next level. I also would lean into the chaos of Mama and have her push us out of the tree, cause we're going to be late to the party. Kinda like the "short cut" idea, but lean more into the zany unpredictability of Mama Odie. Finale scene is perfect, wouldn't change a thing.

Thank you for joining me on this late night brown butter pumpkin cookie fueled fantasy. I hope it made you smile, or maybe even laugh, even if it's at my expense.

I do hope one day Disney attempts to address the undeniable issues with the story. Even just adding Naveen, a heavy hand of humor, and swapping out Ray's vocals would improve the experience exponentially I think.
 

DarkMetroid567

Well-Known Member
I'm going to preface this by saying that I have been very outspoken about my love for Princess and the Frog, and how happy I am that Tiana and all have become part of Disney Park History. Now having ridden it twice, I can objectively say that while I genuinely enjoy the attraction, and I do think it is on par with its predecessor, it's not the Princess and the Frog attraction of my dreams.

I think if we're talking about edits to the ride to improve it, the number one glaring change for me would be adding more Naveen. At its heart, Princess and the Frog is a love story, and in my opinion tied for the best one they've ever told. I understand wanting to show Tiana as "more than a lover", but the core of the movie is how much she and Naveen love each other, and how incomplete their lives were without each other. Her dream wouldn't be complete without him in it, and neither is her attraction. Also, Princess and the Frog is extremely funny, and I do think the attraction would be stronger by embracing the tone of humor from the movie.

The other main problem is that Tiana's Bayou Adventure tries to wear too many hats. I think it's obvious the original storyline was going into the bayou to find a special spice, and the spice turning out to be the rider. The finale song Special Spice, which most likely started pretty early in the retheme processes, addresses that entire concept. When people quickly put together the storyline and bashed it, Disney got cold feet and pivoted. It seems like all of the critter bands came from the idea of "well, they love the cute singing animals on splash, so we need to have some here too." It feels like the entire band story came about to appease the Save Splashers, and to be able to say there are still xx amount of figures on the ride. They never really let the story be its own thing, and that's the rides biggest fault.

Since nobody asked and the insomnia is really insomning tonight, I'll get into my overly thought out and probably awful version of the attraction. In my perfect world, the ride would simply be a trip to the bayou with Tiana, Louis, and Naveen. Maybe they want to catch up with us and show us what's happened since the movie, or maybe to make sure blind Mama Odie could read her invitation to the party. That wacky Mama Odie could literally be the start of any storyline they want. To me, the reason you go out to the bayou really isn't that important, the real magic happens once you get there.

The first lift and current garden scene would be Tiana, Naveen, and Louis catching us up on what's new in their world. Just light hearted humor to set the tone, and make us connect with the characters.

The current Going Down to the Bayou scene would stay in theory (much more hijinks with the trio, lots of giggles in the scene. This ride should have some of the loudest guest laughs in Magic Kingdom), and it would be re-recorded with Tiana, Louis and Naveen singing with the fireflies. I'm okay* committing to the idea that this story takes place after Shadowman is dead, but then so is Ray. You don't get it both ways.

*as long as Facilier is featured in Villiansland, and Friends on the Other Side be worked into the next nighttime spectacular.

To honor Ray, I'd update the Frog room to a scene of Tiana and Naveen revisiting their dance from the movie, but this time as humans. Naveen would sing My Belle Evangeline, with Louis on the Trumpet. This would be a very emotional moment, with a strong homage to Ray and Evangeline and a special twinkling star effect above them. The movie has so much heart, the attraction should remind you of this.

I truly believe the lift being Dig a Little Deeper works, but it needs to be bigger. I would absolutely add in Mama Odie's birds, and a more exciting lighting package on then climb. The birds could really add the wow factor, and take the lift to the next level. I also would lean into the chaos of Mama and have her push us out of the tree, cause we're going to be late to the party. Kinda like the "short cut" idea, but lean more into the zany unpredictability of Mama Odie. Finale scene is perfect, wouldn't change a thing.

Thank you for joining me on this late night brown butter pumpkin cookie fueled fantasy. I hope it made you smile, or maybe even laugh, even if it's at my expense.

I do hope one day Disney attempts to address the undeniable issues with the story. Even just adding Naveen, a heavy hand of humor, and swapping out Ray's vocals would improve the experience exponentially I think.
Nah, this kicks butt. I usually groan at the self-professed “I’m smarter than Disney” posters, but I think your idea is really disciplined and sounds like it would add a lot. I haven’t been on TBA yet but am also disappointed at how little Naveen it seems like we got.
 

Professortango1

Well-Known Member
I'm going to preface this by saying that I have been very outspoken about my love for Princess and the Frog, and how happy I am that Tiana and all have become part of Disney Park History. Now having ridden it twice, I can objectively say that while I genuinely enjoy the attraction, and I do think it is on par with its predecessor, it's not the Princess and the Frog attraction of my dreams.

I think if we're talking about edits to the ride to improve it, the number one glaring change for me would be adding more Naveen. At its heart, Princess and the Frog is a love story, and in my opinion tied for the best one they've ever told. I understand wanting to show Tiana as "more than a lover", but the core of the movie is how much she and Naveen love each other, and how incomplete their lives were without each other. Her dream wouldn't be complete without him in it, and neither is her attraction. Also, Princess and the Frog is extremely funny, and I do think the attraction would be stronger by embracing the tone of humor from the movie.

The other main problem is that Tiana's Bayou Adventure tries to wear too many hats. I think it's obvious the original storyline was going into the bayou to find a special spice, and the spice turning out to be the rider. The finale song Special Spice, which most likely started pretty early in the retheme processes, addresses that entire concept. When people quickly put together the storyline and bashed it, Disney got cold feet and pivoted. It seems like all of the critter bands came from the idea of "well, they love the cute singing animals on splash, so we need to have some here too." It feels like the entire band story came about to appease the Save Splashers, and to be able to say there are still xx amount of figures on the ride. They never really let the story be its own thing, and that's the rides biggest fault.

Since nobody asked and the insomnia is really insomning tonight, I'll get into my overly thought out and probably awful version of the attraction. In my perfect world, the ride would simply be a trip to the bayou with Tiana, Louis, and Naveen. Maybe they want to catch up with us and show us what's happened since the movie, or maybe to make sure blind Mama Odie could read her invitation to the party. That wacky Mama Odie could literally be the start of any storyline they want. To me, the reason you go out to the bayou really isn't that important, the real magic happens once you get there.

The first lift and current garden scene would be Tiana, Naveen, and Louis catching us up on what's new in their world. Just light hearted humor to set the tone, and make us connect with the characters.

The current Going Down to the Bayou scene would stay in theory (much more hijinks with the trio, lots of giggles in the scene. This ride should have some of the loudest guest laughs in Magic Kingdom), and it would be re-recorded with Tiana, Louis and Naveen singing with the fireflies. I'm okay* committing to the idea that this story takes place after Shadowman is dead, but then so is Ray. You don't get it both ways.

*as long as Facilier is featured in Villiansland, and Friends on the Other Side be worked into the next nighttime spectacular.

To honor Ray, I'd update the Frog room to a scene of Tiana and Naveen revisiting their dance from the movie, but this time as humans. Naveen would sing My Belle Evangeline, with Louis on the Trumpet. This would be a very emotional moment, with a strong homage to Ray and Evangeline and a special twinkling star effect above them. The movie has so much heart, the attraction should remind you of this.

I truly believe the lift being Dig a Little Deeper works, but it needs to be bigger. I would absolutely add in Mama Odie's birds, and a more exciting lighting package on then climb. The birds could really add the wow factor, and take the lift to the next level. I also would lean into the chaos of Mama and have her push us out of the tree, cause we're going to be late to the party. Kinda like the "short cut" idea, but lean more into the zany unpredictability of Mama Odie. Finale scene is perfect, wouldn't change a thing.

Thank you for joining me on this late night brown butter pumpkin cookie fueled fantasy. I hope it made you smile, or maybe even laugh, even if it's at my expense.

I do hope one day Disney attempts to address the undeniable issues with the story. Even just adding Naveen, a heavy hand of humor, and swapping out Ray's vocals would improve the experience exponentially I think.
The simple fact that they tried to make it an interactive rather than passive experience shows how little they understood of the original's design. The first few minutes of the ride are not built to support story elements and scenes, they are simply to get the guest relaxed and in the mood with an instrumental version of the song which will blossom after the first drop. Having Tiana's voice singing "Almost There" immediately after seeing her "in person" is incredibly jarring and doesn't work.

In all honesty, they should have made this a book report ride similar to Splash. That's how the attraction's bones are designed. Dropped into the story, dropped down into a wilder 2nd act, transition to a third act with the lift hill being the climax of the story. The finale is a bonus, its not connected to the story. An epilogue. So, the drop must feel like the climax and the ride could effectively end there.

Splash was a masterpiece in design. Tiana's is like when a little kid dresses up in their dad's suit. A ride which could have worked as a small Fantasyland style ride that instead is housed in an attraction scaled for an E-ticket.
 

sonoma15

Well-Known Member
Question: did that fog effect they bragged about at D23 even make it into the ride? Is it the effect they use to have Mama Odie "shrink" you?
It seems to me like it didn't really? There is an effect when Mama Odie shrinks you, but its basically just 1 yellow light that quickly flashes in the fog on that drop. I feel like there was supposed to be a lot more to it, that was honestly one of the most disappointing points of the ride to me cause I expected something way cooler and more unique than just a light.
 

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