This is why I hate college!!!!!

[yankspy]

I'm guessing you don't teach in a humanities department, where it's well known that fact is subjective.

Indeed it is. Even in non-humanities subjects. Non-Euclidean Geometry comes to mind.

Another professor bitterly clinging to his Communist Manifesto. So what's new?

Remember, those that can, do. Those that can't, teach.

In all likelihood said professor can't function in a free enterprise system so he seeks to destroy it. You shouldn't be suprised.

Walt would probably shake his head in disbelief and go right back to creating.

Yep, Plato, Newton, Einstein, some real non-doers.

 

[Brian_B]

I had a creative writing professor who was an amazing educator. On the first day of class, he would basically act like a recovering crack addict, and say and do insane things. It was an effective tool to weed out the "normal" people, and ensure that only the most open-minded (read: bizarre) people stuck around.

Of course, your prof could simply be a worthless excuse for an educator. Tell him to go watch Dr.Zhivago.

- Brian

 

[Disneykidder]

Those who can, do and those who can't, teach.

That has to be one of the most ignorant remarks I have ever heard and I am not just saying that because I am a teacher. True, this particular professor is an idiot and quite rude in his approach, but to sterotype all teachers as being that way is not fair or valid. Who taught you how to add, subtract or about the current occupation that you currently hold? An educator.

 

[heliumalias]

for real, it's called Socialism..... let's nationalize healthcare, Health insurance, Higher Education and why not nationalize work unions, force everyone to work in them and assign jobs paying everyone equal wages... Thats they change we're heading for.

First of all nationalized health insurance is irrelevant if there is nationalized healthcare.

I live in a country with a nationalized healthcare system and government supplemented college fees and I'm not living in a Socialist country - SHOCKING!!!!
Wait - isn't the US education system (up to high school) nationalized?

Back onto topic. Part of college is learning to respect other peoples' opinions even if you don't agree with them. If it's about agreeing with someone for a grade then on paper agree with them or drop the class, or be prepared to fail. Nobody and nothing is completely good or evil. That class is 3 months of the rest of your life. It's not really worth worrying about. You can't influence an adult that isn't, on some level, willing to be influenced.

 

[Sam02]

Those who can, do and those who can't, teach.

That has to be one of the most ignorant remarks I have ever heard and I am not just saying that because I am a teacher. True, this particular professor is an idiot and quite rude in his approach, but to sterotype all teachers as being that way is not fair or valid. Who taught you how to add, subtract or about the current occupation that you currently hold? An educator.

As another teacher I second the assessment. As at teacher not only did I learn the material I teach (in my case Biology and Chemistry) just as the other students in the class going on to become Dr's, Pharmacists, and Nurses, but then I also went on to study how to teach the material (think of it as a 2 for 1). Anybody can get degree for an occupation, but it takes something extra for someone to learn how to actually teach so the students can learn it.

I also ask you to ask any coach if they "Can't Do" the sport they are teaching/coaching simply because they are the coach/teacher.

 

[wvdisneyfamily]

Another professor bitterly clinging to his Communist Manifesto. So what's new?

Remember, those that can, do. Those that can't, teach.

In all likelihood said professor can't function in a free enterprise system so he seeks to destroy it. You shouldn't be suprised.

Walt would probably shake his head in disbelief and go right back to creating.

Wow. What a horribly unfair statement. I'm going to pray about this. I'm not being sarcastic, rude, or demeaning. I'm seriously going to pray that you'll think harder about saying rude and hurtful statements like that and that I'll be able to control myself when someone else spouts such ignorance.

 

[Wilt Dasney]

If the attitudes toward teaching expressed in this thread are the norm, then the teacher shortage in this country suddenly makes a lot more sense to me.

 

[jt04]

Wow. What a horribly unfair statement. I'm going to pray about this. I'm not being sarcastic, rude, or demeaning. I'm seriously going to pray that you'll think harder about saying rude and hurtful statements like that and that I'll be able to control myself when someone else spouts such ignorance.

It's a joke. Would all you teacher types please stop being so hyper-sensitive. Sheesh. I'm have a public education so you should cut me some slack. (that is a joke too).

Actually, if more teachers would challange their marxist peers I think you would be suprised by how quickly all those sterotypes you all complain about dissolve away.

Now back to the topic. Walt loved freedom. Marx and Hitler didn't. End of lesson.

PS- To a previous poster/teacher, Einstein and Newton were primarily physicists. Please don't teach your students they were school teachers.

 

[heliumalias]

Actually, if more teachers would challange their marxist peers I think you would be suprised by how quickly all those sterotypes you all complain about dissolve away.

Now back to the topic. Walt loved freedom. Marx and Hitler didn't. End of lesson.

PS- To a previous poster/teacher, Einstein and Newton were primarily physicists. Please don't teach your students they were school teachers.

Unfortunately, stereotypes don't just dissolve away.
Perhaps you should read Marx because it seems to me that a lot of people might be surprised by what he actually wrote.

Oh, and Einstein and Newton did teach and like most college lecturers they were primarily specialists in their field but they DID teach. Unless you think lecturers do something else.

 

[BrerVeritas]

I don't know if this point was made but after reading OP I was moved to type.

This prof. is a Marxist. :hurl: That's the issue; not the fact he holds Walt Disney in such low esteem. Get him fired. He's there to teach not influence.

No ideology, perhaps in history, has caused more human suffering than those base upon Marxist or Communist ideals.

I happily add, "There's a great big beautiful tomorrow . . . ."

Firstly, Marxism is not Communism. No more than Capitalism is American Democracy.

Secondly, I would venture a guess that there are many ideologies that have caused more harm than Communism, since communism hasn't really been around that long. Christianity's roll in the Crusades alone would take that title, let alone the other issues organized religion has caused.

All ideologies are evil in the hands of zealots. That's all this professor is, a zealot. To lump in all Marxists, or liberal educators, or men with Lexuses in with this man would make you no better than him.

It offends me greatly as a liberal with socialist tendencies (who happens to also love Disney) to see such hatred spewed at the liberal philosophies that shaped many of the morals that are present in Disney's own work.

 

[Mr Starky]

WHAT?!??!??! O.K., everyone calm down. Let's look at this totally un-bialy;

Hitler:
- Tried to exterminate the Jewish Race
- Had major mental problems
- Almost single handedly started a war

Disney:
- ...Uh... may have had some deep dark secret with his frozen head (IT'S A CONSPRACY!)
- Enjoyed having a thriving business in the entertainment industry (ie. no killing people)?
- Um... created the happiest place on earth...?

I would have no problem if he placed Disney near someone like Andrew Carnegie (people speculate that Disney was money-hungry or something) but putting him next to Hitler... man, that's harsh! The only people that he's killed are, like 4 or 5 villains!

Actually Hitler also had thousands of Christians (Catholics & Protestants) murdered also, not only Jews. Somehow that has been conveniently left out of the history books.

I cannot validate the information, as I have not actually checked it out for myself. But I have heard it mentioned that Hitler was heavily guided, in his young formative years, by Satanists.

I don't think either of the above statements apply to Mr. Disney.

Oddly enough. That professor really doesn't have the authority to throw you out of the classroom unless you become violent or threatening. If you didn't do either of these things then technically you left of your own accord. Remember this is not high school. College is more of a business arrangement that you pay for. So if you are thrown out you're loosing out on your investment FORCEFULLY!

 

[heliumalias]

That's not entirely true. If someone is deemed to be disruptive then they can ask them to leave. An example is that late students can be deemed to be disruptive to the learning environment and many lecturers will lock the door to the room once the class starts.

 

[wvdisneyfamily]

It's a joke. Would all you teacher types please stop being so hyper-sensitive. Sheesh. I'm have a public education so you should cut me some slack. (that is a joke too).

Actually, if more teachers would challange their marxist peers I think you would be suprised by how quickly all those sterotypes you all complain about dissolve away.

Now back to the topic. Walt loved freedom. Marx and Hitler didn't. End of lesson.

PS- To a previous poster/teacher, Einstein and Newton were primarily physicists. Please don't teach your students they were school teachers.

It's a joke told in poor taste. I think it degrades everything all of us "teacher types" have done in our lives to become teachers. So, no, I won't stop being so "hyper-sensitive".

 

[Montyboy]

Why are you defending him?

I think we’d be better off conceding that the original poster came across a particularly bad (or at least outrageous) teacher. Do you really think that you can successfully defend him with the argument that teaching is an honorable profession, therefore all teachers are honorable? Throw this professor overboard, and don’t dilute the pool of quality teachers with the clowns that pop up from time to time.

 

[matt88mph]

That's true, and not all Disney-disapproving teachers are as disrespectful to their students ideas as the OP's professor. I got into a debate with a teacher back in high school about Walt and WWII, but we both made our cases, respected each others beliefs, and moved on. (Of course, he had just become a father, so while he wasn't overly fond of Walt, he was very grateful that the company was around)

On the upswing, I'm in college right now, and one of my final papers was inspired by Miracle, a Disney movie.

 

[jt04]

Unfortunately, stereotypes don't just dissolve away.
Perhaps you should read Marx because it seems to me that a lot of people might be surprised by what he actually wrote.

Oh, and Einstein and Newton did teach and like most college lecturers they were primarily specialists in their field but they DID teach. Unless you think lecturers do something else.

I never said they never taught. I said they were primarily physicists and not teachers by any means. Your comprehension ability is lacking. I have read Marx. It is one dark philosophy and if you think otherwise it is a reflection of my first point.

Firstly, Marxism is not Communism. No more than Capitalism is American Democracy.

Secondly, I would venture a guess that there are many ideologies that have caused more harm than Communism, since communism hasn't really been around that long. Christianity's roll in the Crusades alone would take that title, let alone the other issues organized religion has caused.

All ideologies are evil in the hands of zealots. That's all this professor is, a zealot. To lump in all Marxists, or liberal educators, or men with Lexuses in with this man would make you no better than him.

It offends me greatly as a liberal with socialist tendencies (who happens to also love Disney) to see such hatred spewed at the liberal philosophies that shaped many of the morals that are present in Disney's own work.

I feel pity for you. Actual pity.

You are all free to believe what you want and even express such (this isn't Cuba, China or North Korea afterall). Just don't tread on me!

 

[BrerVeritas]

I feel pity for you. Actual pity.

You are all free to believe what you want and even express such (this isn't Cuba, China or North Korea afterall). Just don't tread on me!

Why is it that you pity me? Because you don't agree? Because I have investigated many political philosophies and have decided to be open minded in accepting that there can be right on all sides?

I don't need your pity. Save that for someone who may someday need it. That is the very nature of social welfare.

Oh and again, for the unaware. Communism (Cuba, China, and North Korea) is not Socialism (Canada, Scandinavia, and yes...even America in many ways)

 

[jt04]

Why is it that you pity me? Because you don't agree? Because I have investigated many political philosophies and have decided to be open minded in accepting that there can be right on all sides?

I don't need your pity. Save that for someone who may someday need it. That is the very nature of social welfare.

Oh and again, for the unaware. Communism (Cuba, China, and North Korea) is not Socialism (Canada, Scandinavia, and yes...even America in many ways)

So I am left to believe you think socialism is only for other people. One of your parents must have been a pretzel because that is twisted.

 

[BrerVeritas]

So I am left to believe you think socialism is only for other people. One of your parents must have been a pretzel because that is twisted.

Not sure where you got that.
Socialism is based on those who have surplus giving to those who have deficit. Since you seem to have a surplus of pity to spare(in that you were giving it no me without need), I thought you might use it for good.

But this board is not for discussing merits of political systems. Sorry for the hijack.

 

[TalkingHead]

So I am left to believe you think socialism is only for other people. One of your parents must have been a pretzel because that is twisted.

Was that finally comment really necessary? The person you were responding to was respectful and you make a disparaging comment like that. Come on, be a good representative of capitalism! :lol: