They ruined DL's Small World how much longer before they ruin ours?

MousDad

New Member
^^^ Yes, yes, mountains out of mole hills. I know.

But you can't deny the following facts: It was not fanboys (only) who were upset. It was members of the Blair family, and notables with ties to animation (Disney and non-Disney), imagineering (both past and present) and Disney Parks (past and present) who were not only vocal, but spearheaded the "campaign" to prevent this.

That's what prompted Disney's unprecedented response to Al Lutz, through LP. So, yes, it was a very big deal to some very important people.
 

Expo_Seeker40

Well-Known Member
I'll give my final message on this and then I'm done. I don't want anyone to think I'm writing this in an angry manner. It's more of a tired manner.

I was very anxious to see any pictures and/or video of the refurbed IASW in CA, and after I did and got my impressions made, I think the worst part was the numerous battles between sweatshirt moms and fanboys on the various forums.

I have never been a hard core fan of IASW, I have ridden it occasionally...the florida version that is, but after WDW refurbed their IASW in 2005....something made me intrigued about it....the enhanced sound and light, the new costumes, better moving dolls, and we got a clock tower...finally! My only lasting gripe is that there are many ceiling tiles not replaced since 2005 and you can still look up and see the "warehouse" :lookaroun

Be that as it may....I agree with MouseDad, the foreign parks could use characters and perhaps a ton of characters in their small world to tell the message using music from the movies and having an american scene.

They could actually do it to the one at the MK as that has a global audience moreso than Disneyland in CA.

But they have now altered the original one.....yes its just a ride you could say....but even Walt and Pepsi knew where not to go with this ride, and they didnt add characters and plush and cash registers at the end of the ride. It stayed in theme and focus because Disney....well...atleast at that time....was an innovative company coming up with new and unique things to do and kept theme and purpose in mind. As a businessman this is what Walt did quite well....and I don't understand how people say "WELL YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WOULD DO EXPO GAWWWWD :fork:" Isn't it obvious that he knew his movie characters were successful, but made sure they were simply part of vast and ever growing brand that included unique journeys for adults and the whole family into places such as pirates, ghosts, and adventures into inner, liquid, and eventually outer space? :shrug: He knew were to expand and to contract.

Disney now is a recycled brand. We know what they are. We know what they do, and very rarely can we ever be surprised. They take the same thing and repackage it over and over again. They have hurt themselves when other average joes say "oh its just for kids, etc, etc,etc" and I used to defend Disney....and tell these average joes that "NOOOO its more than that". Now....I am finding myself agreeing with them.

While the average joe does go to WDW or DL with little to no understanding of the parks and their message and meaning....Disney....and lets admit it...has taken the easy way out because they know they can get away with mediocre character themed overlays...rides that have the unfinished "industrial look" to them, and onslaught of merchandise carts, pin carts, etc. Disney used to pride in being above people....now they have no problem compromising theme and details for brand recycling and average joe expectations.

Disney parks are so ironic that they, and especially at Disneyland use in their marketing...the "famousness" of their old and classic rides like Spc Mtn, HM, etc and the nostalgia factor, etc because lets face it.....the parks were better with the respect to form, content, and purpose back then. There was cohesive theming throughout DL and WDW. You never felt like you were going to a six flags park like you do now. The only saving grace is some thematic leftovers from the 1970s and 80s that still work and Disney clings to saying "LOOK HOW THEMED IT IS....LOOK ....LOOK"

With a few expections going through the Disney parks is like going into a film vault....its like Universal Studios....we are riding the movies basically......we are seeing sequals, prequals to movies. :hurl: The rides will become outdated in a few years and well have no timelessness to offer. It also alienates the new generation of fans going to Disney parks will now think that....no character?....must not be a Disney ride.

They make it like they have to do it because kids demand it. Had Disney never had their Disney Decade of the 90s with the onslaught of merchandise and start of character tie ins...these kids would still be seeing and probably appreciating the classic Disney that we saw in the 60s through the 80s. They would know no different than we did. And they would still be entertained with new unique attractions of the time such as soarin, TT, everest, tower of terror, etc.

Of course the parks have to and do need to change...HOWEVER...that doesn't mean you rely on movie characters all the damn time. We are not opposed to ALL change....will you get over that and go back to buying your sweatshirt at the emporium? We are however opposed to not using ones Imagination and coming up with mediocre, character themes that are now prominent in all the Disney parks. Use your damn brain and tell us a unique and immersive story! We are sick of seeing a movie, watching it at home, and then riding it.

"WELL THAN STOP GOING EXPO...GAWDD YER SO MEANZ! :fork:" I may stop going....if this trend keeps on chugging along...I really will have lost an interest in Disney parks....and refuse to pay the amount of money for one park one day or a pass if the few rides I want to see are country bears, space mountain, HM, and a few others that stay true to theme but are upgraded with new technology.

And now that the original IASW has had these changes made to it....I find myself so obligated to look for characters...to find them...to notice them. SOME blend in well....but not ALL of them. I payed little attention to the other kids and set pieces in Arabia because I was too busy noticing Aladdin and Jasmin....and payed almost no attention to anything in Mexico because I was too busy watching the three caballeros bouncing up and down with lights pointed on them....same goes for Pinocchio...who has lights around his window.....and was it Marty or Tony that said none of the characters would have a "Look at me!" approach. :rolleyes:

Because this has happened I must CHANGE my mind and hope and pray now...that the one in Florida never gets these changes......it's now the last version left in the spirit of the original that doesn't include America or characters.

Going on the refurbished florida version is....somehow relaxing...drifting pass the other countries...knowing that we are in America, the country hosting this version of the ride and we don't need our scene in there, and there is no obligation to see a certain character, or hear music to movies in the background.

Its not like the ride isn't popular. It always has crowds, especially when people have worked their way into Fantasyland in the afternoon.

I have seen children, videos of children, and from my experience....knew the basic idea of the ride when I was a child....I have never seen a child not be engaged about the ride unless they were already sleeping, or are some big kid who thinks its cool to act like the ride is stupid.

As for the children I have seen them point, look, stare, and laugh but they are doing this at a ride where the children are all equal. Disney thinks they have made a success because "well...they'll like it they are pointing at their favorite chartacter!" So what if a child giggles at an Alice in wonderland AA? Children would laugh if you saw cinderella wearing a space helmet at a tomorrowland meet and greet! Just because someone may like a character doesn't mean that change has to be done with character overlays. It is talking down to children and taking the easy way out, something Walt refused to do.

Disneyland would never be completed as long as Imagination was left in the world. I truly believe Walt would be saddened to know that his brand has expanded very little since he passed. While intriguing rides have been created, and better fireworks shows, parades, and other experiences have made Disney stay true to their name....these rides and experiences are in the shadow of the almighty dollar the Disney company is out after, and will talk down, overlay, and overprice whatever they have to do to get it from one's pocket.

Disneyland was never meant to be a museum....and yet it is becoming one....its a museum of characters used in movies in the 1940s, 1950s, the 1990s, and the 2000s....its a museum where you see them from their passe movies in all the lands of Disneyland....you can ride their movies...buy their sequal to their movie merchandise....and go on classic rides like it's a small world which offered a prayer...a little squeak for peace....and now you are going through Disney's international film vault to see some cute and adorable characters who in most cases....take center stage.

Have a great big beautiful day :wave:
 

tirian

Well-Known Member
^^^ Yes, yes, mountains out of mole hills. I know.

But you can't deny the following facts: It was not fanboys (only) who were upset. It was members of the Blair family, and notables with ties to animation (Disney and non-Disney), imagineering (both past and present) and Disney Parks (past and present) who were not only vocal, but spearheaded the "campaign" to prevent this.

That's what prompted Disney's unprecedented response to Al Lutz, through LP. So, yes, it was a very big deal to some very important people.

Correct: Blair's family and many Pixar animators and directors spoke out against the changes. From the pics I've seen, some of the additions are in poor taste (Ariel, Stitch, Three Cabelleros) while others blend effortlessly (Alice, Aladdin, Pumbaa).

I just attribute it to Disneyland's long line of "keep-it-fresh-for-locals" misfires. Tarzan's treehouse, Peoplemover/Rocketrods, Pooh, Pirate's Lair, and now this.

Nevertheless, it isn't as bad as it could have been, and I'm sure that average Guests won't care. As for the rainforest/America controversy, why not celebrate the US? Oh wait, that's right--a gigantic Woody doll doesn't represent America. :)
 

SirGoofy

Member
So, after watching the complete ride-through on youtube...this could be one of my favorite refurbs. I think the characters look superb, and blend effortlessly. The only real problem I have is with the Ariel scene, I feel like that one is out of place.

And for everyone saying that they "ruin" the message. The characters do not appear in the final scene which represents world unity, therefore I see the message as intact. But again, that's just me.
 

dxwwf3

Well-Known Member
While the average joe does go to WDW or DL with little to no understanding of the parks and their message and meaning....Disney....and lets admit it...has taken the easy way out because they know they can get away with mediocre character themed overlays...rides that have the unfinished "industrial look" to them, and onslaught of merchandise carts, pin carts, etc. Disney used to pride in being above people....now they have no problem compromising theme and details for brand recycling and average joe expectations.


With a few expections going through the Disney parks is like going into a film vault....its like Universal Studios....we are riding the movies basically......we are seeing sequals, prequals to movies. :hurl: The rides will become outdated in a few years and well have no timelessness to offer. It also alienates the new generation of fans going to Disney parks will now think that....no character?....must not be a Disney ride.

Of course the parks have to and do need to change...HOWEVER...that doesn't mean you rely on movie characters all the damn time. We are not opposed to ALL change....will you get over that and go back to buying your sweatshirt at the emporium? We are however opposed to not using ones Imagination and coming up with mediocre, character themes that are now prominent in all the Disney parks. Use your damn brain and tell us a unique and immersive story! We are sick of seeing a movie, watching it at home, and then riding it.

Disneyland was never meant to be a museum....and yet it is becoming one....its a museum of characters used in movies in the 1940s, 1950s, the 1990s, and the 2000s....its a museum where you see them from their passe movies in all the lands of Disneyland....you can ride their movies...buy their sequal to their movie merchandise....and go on classic rides like it's a small world which offered a prayer...a little squeak for peace....and now you are going through Disney's international film vault to see some cute and adorable characters who in most cases....take center stage.

:sohappy::sohappy::sohappy:

Wow, that was amazing. The museum comment is absolutely perfect.
 

Disneyfanman

Well-Known Member
^^^ Yes, yes, mountains out of mole hills. I know.

But you can't deny the following facts: It was not fanboys (only) who were upset. It was members of the Blair family, and notables with ties to animation (Disney and non-Disney), imagineering (both past and present) and Disney Parks (past and present) who were not only vocal, but spearheaded the "campaign" to prevent this.

That's what prompted Disney's unprecedented response to Al Lutz, through LP. So, yes, it was a very big deal to some very important people.

I do remember hearing this, and I highly respect their opinions and their right to express their feelings. I speak simply as a Disney consumer and I like the change. I look at this as "plussing" an attraction, and believe that Disney needs to evolve to remain healthy. I didn't mind Jack Sparrow being added to Pirates either.

If the changes had been broader and further reaching, then I might have had an issue. As it stands, I like them and look forward to seeing them in person.
 

yankspy

Well-Known Member
I'll give my final message on this and then I'm done. I don't want anyone to think I'm writing this in an angry manner. It's more of a tired manner.

I was very anxious to see any pictures and/or video of the refurbed IASW in CA, and after I did and got my impressions made, I think the worst part was the numerous battles between sweatshirt moms and fanboys on the various forums.

I have never been a hard core fan of IASW, I have ridden it occasionally...the florida version that is, but after WDW refurbed their IASW in 2005....something made me intrigued about it....the enhanced sound and light, the new costumes, better moving dolls, and we got a clock tower...finally! My only lasting gripe is that there are many ceiling tiles not replaced since 2005 and you can still look up and see the "warehouse" :lookaroun

Be that as it may....I agree with MouseDad, the foreign parks could use characters and perhaps a ton of characters in their small world to tell the message using music from the movies and having an american scene.

They could actually do it to the one at the MK as that has a global audience moreso than Disneyland in CA.

But they have now altered the original one.....yes its just a ride you could say....but even Walt and Pepsi knew where not to go with this ride, and they didnt add characters and plush and cash registers at the end of the ride. It stayed in theme and focus because Disney....well...atleast at that time....was an innovative company coming up with new and unique things to do and kept theme and purpose in mind. As a businessman this is what Walt did quite well....and I don't understand how people say "WELL YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WOULD DO EXPO GAWWWWD :fork:" Isn't it obvious that he knew his movie characters were successful, but made sure they were simply part of vast and ever growing brand that included unique journeys for adults and the whole family into places such as pirates, ghosts, and adventures into inner, liquid, and eventually outer space? :shrug: He knew were to expand and to contract.

Disney now is a recycled brand. We know what they are. We know what they do, and very rarely can we ever be surprised. They take the same thing and repackage it over and over again. They have hurt themselves when other average joes say "oh its just for kids, etc, etc,etc" and I used to defend Disney....and tell these average joes that "NOOOO its more than that". Now....I am finding myself agreeing with them.

While the average joe does go to WDW or DL with little to no understanding of the parks and their message and meaning....Disney....and lets admit it...has taken the easy way out because they know they can get away with mediocre character themed overlays...rides that have the unfinished "industrial look" to them, and onslaught of merchandise carts, pin carts, etc. Disney used to pride in being above people....now they have no problem compromising theme and details for brand recycling and average joe expectations.

Disney parks are so ironic that they, and especially at Disneyland use in their marketing...the "famousness" of their old and classic rides like Spc Mtn, HM, etc and the nostalgia factor, etc because lets face it.....the parks were better with the respect to form, content, and purpose back then. There was cohesive theming throughout DL and WDW. You never felt like you were going to a six flags park like you do now. The only saving grace is some thematic leftovers from the 1970s and 80s that still work and Disney clings to saying "LOOK HOW THEMED IT IS....LOOK ....LOOK"

With a few expections going through the Disney parks is like going into a film vault....its like Universal Studios....we are riding the movies basically......we are seeing sequals, prequals to movies. :hurl: The rides will become outdated in a few years and well have no timelessness to offer. It also alienates the new generation of fans going to Disney parks will now think that....no character?....must not be a Disney ride.

They make it like they have to do it because kids demand it. Had Disney never had their Disney Decade of the 90s with the onslaught of merchandise and start of character tie ins...these kids would still be seeing and probably appreciating the classic Disney that we saw in the 60s through the 80s. They would know no different than we did. And they would still be entertained with new unique attractions of the time such as soarin, TT, everest, tower of terror, etc.

Of course the parks have to and do need to change...HOWEVER...that doesn't mean you rely on movie characters all the damn time. We are not opposed to ALL change....will you get over that and go back to buying your sweatshirt at the emporium? We are however opposed to not using ones Imagination and coming up with mediocre, character themes that are now prominent in all the Disney parks. Use your damn brain and tell us a unique and immersive story! We are sick of seeing a movie, watching it at home, and then riding it.

"WELL THAN STOP GOING EXPO...GAWDD YER SO MEANZ! :fork:" I may stop going....if this trend keeps on chugging along...I really will have lost an interest in Disney parks....and refuse to pay the amount of money for one park one day or a pass if the few rides I want to see are country bears, space mountain, HM, and a few others that stay true to theme but are upgraded with new technology.

And now that the original IASW has had these changes made to it....I find myself so obligated to look for characters...to find them...to notice them. SOME blend in well....but not ALL of them. I payed little attention to the other kids and set pieces in Arabia because I was too busy noticing Aladdin and Jasmin....and payed almost no attention to anything in Mexico because I was too busy watching the three caballeros bouncing up and down with lights pointed on them....same goes for Pinocchio...who has lights around his window.....and was it Marty or Tony that said none of the characters would have a "Look at me!" approach. :rolleyes:

Because this has happened I must CHANGE my mind and hope and pray now...that the one in Florida never gets these changes......it's now the last version left in the spirit of the original that doesn't include America or characters.

Going on the refurbished florida version is....somehow relaxing...drifting pass the other countries...knowing that we are in America, the country hosting this version of the ride and we don't need our scene in there, and there is no obligation to see a certain character, or hear music to movies in the background.

Its not like the ride isn't popular. It always has crowds, especially when people have worked their way into Fantasyland in the afternoon.

I have seen children, videos of children, and from my experience....knew the basic idea of the ride when I was a child....I have never seen a child not be engaged about the ride unless they were already sleeping, or are some big kid who thinks its cool to act like the ride is stupid.

As for the children I have seen them point, look, stare, and laugh but they are doing this at a ride where the children are all equal. Disney thinks they have made a success because "well...they'll like it they are pointing at their favorite chartacter!" So what if a child giggles at an Alice in wonderland AA? Children would laugh if you saw cinderella wearing a space helmet at a tomorrowland meet and greet! Just because someone may like a character doesn't mean that change has to be done with character overlays. It is talking down to children and taking the easy way out, something Walt refused to do.

Disneyland would never be completed as long as Imagination was left in the world. I truly believe Walt would be saddened to know that his brand has expanded very little since he passed. While intriguing rides have been created, and better fireworks shows, parades, and other experiences have made Disney stay true to their name....these rides and experiences are in the shadow of the almighty dollar the Disney company is out after, and will talk down, overlay, and overprice whatever they have to do to get it from one's pocket.

Disneyland was never meant to be a museum....and yet it is becoming one....its a museum of characters used in movies in the 1940s, 1950s, the 1990s, and the 2000s....its a museum where you see them from their passe movies in all the lands of Disneyland....you can ride their movies...buy their sequal to their movie merchandise....and go on classic rides like it's a small world which offered a prayer...a little squeak for peace....and now you are going through Disney's international film vault to see some cute and adorable characters who in most cases....take center stage.

Have a great big beautiful day :wave:
The first bolded part concerns me as well. However, what about Everest or Soarin? Yes. they both have their problems but at least they fit the criteria of not being based on a movie and being immersive. They are unique, in a sense. That is my biggest gripe about the loss of AE.

As far as the second bolded comment, I have to say that I have taken many children to WDW and the one ride that always amazes them (aside from riding in the front of the monorail) is IASW. I don't know what it is but their eyes just look like they are going to pop out of their heads.
 

imagineer boy

Well-Known Member
The characters aren't too bad. In a certain sense, it kinda makes IASW tie into Fantasyland a bit better. But like dxwwf3 said, its the thought behind it that bothers me. The fact that Disney thinks they have to put characters in every single attraction to make it popular is simply sad. :brick:

Fantastic post BTW ExpoSeeker. :wave:
 

Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
Some of the dolls are cute, others are quite hideous (any of the Pixar ones, Pinocchio, Flounder etc). They should have just kept it to a few like Alice, Peter, Cinderella the ones based off old cultural stories/fairy tales or based off Mary Blair's designs for those movies, or just have animals that look like they fit but resemble a movie personality like Simba. The America scene seems kind of pointless and takes away from what makes DLP's version special. HKDL needs unique things and this could ahve been one of them.

I diskile how they runied the original, maybe not as drastically as some might say but they still botched some stuff in adiition to doing some good things (new lighins, botas, sun image at the end). I'm glad WDW isn't egtiing it as money could be spent much better elsehwere and the additon in the firstplace was unecessary and doesn't really save the attraction (angers the pursits, reguar guests still hates the song).
 

tirian

Well-Known Member
The characters aren't too bad. In a certain sense, it kinda makes IASW tie into Fantasyland a bit better. But like dxwwf3 said, its the thought behind it that bothers me. The fact that Disney thinks they have to put characters in every single attraction to make it popular is simply sad. :brick:

Fantastic post BTW ExpoSeeker. :wave:

Isn't world peace a fantasy? ;) :lol:
 

Zip-D-Dude

New Member
I'll give my final message on this and then I'm done. I don't want anyone to think I'm writing this in an angry manner. It's more of a tired manner.

I was very anxious to see any pictures and/or video of the refurbed IASW in CA, and after I did and got my impressions made, I think the worst part was the numerous battles between sweatshirt moms and fanboys on the various forums.

I have never been a hard core fan of IASW, I have ridden it occasionally...the florida version that is, but after WDW refurbed their IASW in 2005....something made me intrigued about it....the enhanced sound and light, the new costumes, better moving dolls, and we got a clock tower...finally! My only lasting gripe is that there are many ceiling tiles not replaced since 2005 and you can still look up and see the "warehouse" :lookaroun

Be that as it may....I agree with MouseDad, the foreign parks could use characters and perhaps a ton of characters in their small world to tell the message using music from the movies and having an american scene.

They could actually do it to the one at the MK as that has a global audience moreso than Disneyland in CA.

But they have now altered the original one.....yes its just a ride you could say....but even Walt and Pepsi knew where not to go with this ride, and they didnt add characters and plush and cash registers at the end of the ride. It stayed in theme and focus because Disney....well...atleast at that time....was an innovative company coming up with new and unique things to do and kept theme and purpose in mind. As a businessman this is what Walt did quite well....and I don't understand how people say "WELL YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WOULD DO EXPO GAWWWWD :fork:" Isn't it obvious that he knew his movie characters were successful, but made sure they were simply part of vast and ever growing brand that included unique journeys for adults and the whole family into places such as pirates, ghosts, and adventures into inner, liquid, and eventually outer space? :shrug: He knew were to expand and to contract.

Disney now is a recycled brand. We know what they are. We know what they do, and very rarely can we ever be surprised. They take the same thing and repackage it over and over again. They have hurt themselves when other average joes say "oh its just for kids, etc, etc,etc" and I used to defend Disney....and tell these average joes that "NOOOO its more than that". Now....I am finding myself agreeing with them.

While the average joe does go to WDW or DL with little to no understanding of the parks and their message and meaning....Disney....and lets admit it...has taken the easy way out because they know they can get away with mediocre character themed overlays...rides that have the unfinished "industrial look" to them, and onslaught of merchandise carts, pin carts, etc. Disney used to pride in being above people....now they have no problem compromising theme and details for brand recycling and average joe expectations.

Disney parks are so ironic that they, and especially at Disneyland use in their marketing...the "famousness" of their old and classic rides like Spc Mtn, HM, etc and the nostalgia factor, etc because lets face it.....the parks were better with the respect to form, content, and purpose back then. There was cohesive theming throughout DL and WDW. You never felt like you were going to a six flags park like you do now. The only saving grace is some thematic leftovers from the 1970s and 80s that still work and Disney clings to saying "LOOK HOW THEMED IT IS....LOOK ....LOOK"

With a few expections going through the Disney parks is like going into a film vault....its like Universal Studios....we are riding the movies basically......we are seeing sequals, prequals to movies. :hurl: The rides will become outdated in a few years and well have no timelessness to offer. It also alienates the new generation of fans going to Disney parks will now think that....no character?....must not be a Disney ride.

They make it like they have to do it because kids demand it. Had Disney never had their Disney Decade of the 90s with the onslaught of merchandise and start of character tie ins...these kids would still be seeing and probably appreciating the classic Disney that we saw in the 60s through the 80s. They would know no different than we did. And they would still be entertained with new unique attractions of the time such as soarin, TT, everest, tower of terror, etc.

Of course the parks have to and do need to change...HOWEVER...that doesn't mean you rely on movie characters all the damn time. We are not opposed to ALL change....will you get over that and go back to buying your sweatshirt at the emporium? We are however opposed to not using ones Imagination and coming up with mediocre, character themes that are now prominent in all the Disney parks. Use your damn brain and tell us a unique and immersive story! We are sick of seeing a movie, watching it at home, and then riding it.

"WELL THAN STOP GOING EXPO...GAWDD YER SO MEANZ! :fork:" I may stop going....if this trend keeps on chugging along...I really will have lost an interest in Disney parks....and refuse to pay the amount of money for one park one day or a pass if the few rides I want to see are country bears, space mountain, HM, and a few others that stay true to theme but are upgraded with new technology.

And now that the original IASW has had these changes made to it....I find myself so obligated to look for characters...to find them...to notice them. SOME blend in well....but not ALL of them. I payed little attention to the other kids and set pieces in Arabia because I was too busy noticing Aladdin and Jasmin....and payed almost no attention to anything in Mexico because I was too busy watching the three caballeros bouncing up and down with lights pointed on them....same goes for Pinocchio...who has lights around his window.....and was it Marty or Tony that said none of the characters would have a "Look at me!" approach. :rolleyes:

Because this has happened I must CHANGE my mind and hope and pray now...that the one in Florida never gets these changes......it's now the last version left in the spirit of the original that doesn't include America or characters.

Going on the refurbished florida version is....somehow relaxing...drifting pass the other countries...knowing that we are in America, the country hosting this version of the ride and we don't need our scene in there, and there is no obligation to see a certain character, or hear music to movies in the background.

Its not like the ride isn't popular. It always has crowds, especially when people have worked their way into Fantasyland in the afternoon.

I have seen children, videos of children, and from my experience....knew the basic idea of the ride when I was a child....I have never seen a child not be engaged about the ride unless they were already sleeping, or are some big kid who thinks its cool to act like the ride is stupid.

As for the children I have seen them point, look, stare, and laugh but they are doing this at a ride where the children are all equal. Disney thinks they have made a success because "well...they'll like it they are pointing at their favorite chartacter!" So what if a child giggles at an Alice in wonderland AA? Children would laugh if you saw cinderella wearing a space helmet at a tomorrowland meet and greet! Just because someone may like a character doesn't mean that change has to be done with character overlays. It is talking down to children and taking the easy way out, something Walt refused to do.

Disneyland would never be completed as long as Imagination was left in the world. I truly believe Walt would be saddened to know that his brand has expanded very little since he passed. While intriguing rides have been created, and better fireworks shows, parades, and other experiences have made Disney stay true to their name....these rides and experiences are in the shadow of the almighty dollar the Disney company is out after, and will talk down, overlay, and overprice whatever they have to do to get it from one's pocket.

Disneyland was never meant to be a museum....and yet it is becoming one....its a museum of characters used in movies in the 1940s, 1950s, the 1990s, and the 2000s....its a museum where you see them from their passe movies in all the lands of Disneyland....you can ride their movies...buy their sequal to their movie merchandise....and go on classic rides like it's a small world which offered a prayer...a little squeak for peace....and now you are going through Disney's international film vault to see some cute and adorable characters who in most cases....take center stage.

Have a great big beautiful day :wave:

Ditto
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
Ehhh....Do I like it? It's ok.

Was it necessary? I don't believe so. IASW is a crowd drawer because of it's classic appeal.

Now in regards to the "Art" factor...I'm more upset that they changed Mary Blair's creation. As a Disney Legend that coined this look and style, they should have left it alone for it's place in not only Disney History, but Pop Culture. It's iconic and should have been left with that standing.
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
Disneyland would never be completed as long as Imagination was left in the world. I truly believe Walt would be saddened to know that his brand has expanded very little since he passed. While intriguing rides have been created, and better fireworks shows, parades, and other experiences have made Disney stay true to their name....these rides and experiences are in the shadow of the almighty dollar the Disney company is out after, and will talk down, overlay, and overprice whatever they have to do to get it from one's pocket.

Disneyland was never meant to be a museum....and yet it is becoming one....its a museum of characters used in movies in the 1940s, 1950s, the 1990s, and the 2000s....its a museum where you see them from their passe movies in all the lands of Disneyland....you can ride their movies...buy their sequal to their movie merchandise....and go on classic rides like it's a small world which offered a prayer...a little squeak for peace....and now you are going through Disney's international film vault to see some cute and adorable characters who in most cases....take center stage.

Have a great big beautiful day :wave:

Aaaaand THAT, takes the cake. Beautifully said!:wave:
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
Welcome to Disneyland, home to the new "It's a Synergy World" attraction.

The characters bit doesn't bother me as much as the Spirit of America part. Disney, as I've probably said before, has actually become a PARODY OF ITSELF!

In the Muppets 3D attraction, Sam Eagle says "A Salute to All Nations But Mostly America."

Disney has just done that with this refurb.
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Or not.....
I completely disagree. No average guest gives a rat's about any message that may or may not exist in that ride. It's a bunch of dolls, representing the countries of the world, all singing a repetitive, almost hypnotic song.:snore:

This is the most positive thing that could happen to that ride. Now it might be interesting for a demographic above toddler. Maybe.
Whether they give a rats or not is irrelevant these characters have no place in Walt's vision for the ride. Walt had two chances to put characters in the ride The Worlds Fair and the move to Disneyland. He chose not to.
 

SeanC

Member
Whether they give a rats or not is irrelevant these characters have no place in Walt's vision for the ride. Walt had two chances to put characters in the ride The Worlds Fair and the move to Disneyland. He chose not to.


Who knows what he would have done 40+years later
 

GothMickey

Active Member
Whether they give a rats or not is irrelevant these characters have no place in Walt's vision for the ride. Walt had two chances to put characters in the ride The Worlds Fair and the move to Disneyland. He chose not to.

What Would Walt Do has no bearing because he isn't around. No one knows what he would have done today. Heck, he may have closed small world years ago and replaced it with something else. No one knows.
 

GothMickey

Active Member
We really don't know what Walt would have done but we can guess by what we know about him that he would not approve. ( SeanC that name sounds familliar.

He may not have approved of Everest, the Nemo musical, Soarin.. a number of attractions that have been built. But, since he is not alive anymore, we won't know. So again, WWWD has absoultely no bearing on anything.
 

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