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stevehousse
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The worst is someone saying they r on a diet and then order a Diet Coke 
Cesar R M
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There is a topic??
Well, on that basis no use in ever making any more movies or television shows either, because between all the movie studios and hundreds of cable channels, there is no way anybody can possibly see everything in their lifetime. No need for new music or books either.
Couldn't be, could it, that maybe not everyone is interested in every attraction, or in experiences they've seen 551 times over 20 or 30 years.
Gee, they may be onto a revolutionary idea here - maybe on the scale of MM+ - and about as successful, too...
agree, what a dumb logic.. but then.. its PR machine at its best.
Its like "We think its best for you if we charge you THE SAME for your HAMBURGER,.. but WE REMOVE THE FRIES!!!"
The worst is someone saying they r on a diet and then order a Diet Coke
I remember reading that diet cokes are worse, because since you drink empty sugar.. it makes your body go into overload and asks for more.. thus you end drinking 3x what you would drink of normal standard coke.
Similar of the "alternatives to salt". since they salt very little, they end using way more.
it went into Iger's special bonus bag.
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stevehousse
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Having worked in the restaurant industry for years, diet coke drinkers will definitely drink more soda that someone drinking a normal coke! LOL
MerlinTheGoat
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The vast majority of obese people in this country are that way by the intentional dietary choices they make, not because of any genetic disorder. By eating vast quantities of food that is obviously bad for you and/or electing not to exercise properly (though honestly, just eating right can get you down to at least a decent weight even without heavy exercise). There are obviously going to be some exceptions with people who do have those genetic defects, but they are the very rare exception, not the rule. Genetics certainly aren't the reason the rate of obesity has skyrocketed exponentially in the past several decades as opposed to what used to be the norm. It's because of foolish dietary choices.
And before i'm attacked for not knowing how it feels- I have been what could be considered morbidly obese before (over 100lb past my ideal weight and in danger of developing high blood pressure along with who knows what else). With the exception of the tiny minority who do have those genetic defects, there's ALWAYS a way to drop that weight, even if you're unable to exercise as much as a result of the weight. My weight problems were completely my fault, I was eating increasing amounts of junk food and drinking sodas. Which is the same exact problem that most obese people have- eating garbage (and too much of it). I really began to see the effects during my teen years. I had the sense to catch myself early before the weight got completely out of hand. I changed my diet to an all vegetarian one (for some years I was a pure vegan and dropped a TON of weight, though i now will make a rare exception for a dairy product every few months, still vegetarian though). Isn't completely necessary for everyone to go to that extreme, but it certainly caused me to drop a ton of weight in a shockingly short amount of time. Also got a very healthy blood pressure in the process. I remain a bit above my ideal weight (I need to drop another 40lb or so to get to there). I've also recently completely kicked soda's and mostly drink water only, and have eliminated a lot of excess oil added to food as well. Sweets are generally fresh fruit (everyone can find something they like, I got rather addicted to grapefruit).
Today is a rewards day, I get some ice cream. I've found that eating it in my rare moderation doesn't seem to screw much with my diet.
And before i'm attacked for not knowing how it feels- I have been what could be considered morbidly obese before (over 100lb past my ideal weight and in danger of developing high blood pressure along with who knows what else). With the exception of the tiny minority who do have those genetic defects, there's ALWAYS a way to drop that weight, even if you're unable to exercise as much as a result of the weight. My weight problems were completely my fault, I was eating increasing amounts of junk food and drinking sodas. Which is the same exact problem that most obese people have- eating garbage (and too much of it). I really began to see the effects during my teen years. I had the sense to catch myself early before the weight got completely out of hand. I changed my diet to an all vegetarian one (for some years I was a pure vegan and dropped a TON of weight, though i now will make a rare exception for a dairy product every few months, still vegetarian though). Isn't completely necessary for everyone to go to that extreme, but it certainly caused me to drop a ton of weight in a shockingly short amount of time. Also got a very healthy blood pressure in the process. I remain a bit above my ideal weight (I need to drop another 40lb or so to get to there). I've also recently completely kicked soda's and mostly drink water only, and have eliminated a lot of excess oil added to food as well. Sweets are generally fresh fruit (everyone can find something they like, I got rather addicted to grapefruit).
Today is a rewards day, I get some ice cream. I've found that eating it in my rare moderation doesn't seem to screw much with my diet.
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GoofGoof
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...a raccoon??!!??!
asianway
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How much does the tool that tries to brainwash the rest of the CMs haul in? $100k?
Well, nothing like talking about the fact WDW is ground zero for 500-pounders on vacation (no hate there, just fact) to push this 'wittle thread close to 100 pages. I figure we can top that tonight.
I haven't had time to spend here today, but just skimmed six pages and think @flynnibus actually got the dynamic quite right (be careful, though, he really enjoys being right!)
Flynn used the word 'coddled' to explain the HUGE growth in morbid obese folks vacationing at WDW. Let's not talk about what causes it (the most common and simple reason is the right one: eating huge amounts of unhealthy food and not exercising) ... let's not demonize the people (I don't. I have lost family to this horrible affliction) ... but let's also not justify it and excuse it ('oh, there's some mysterious reason you can't tell for why Melba weights 476 pounds and it has nothing to do with the burger basket she's eating while running folks over on her ECV!') ... and let's instead focus on how it affects WDW and everyone's experiences since Disney has decided to CODDLE these people.
For a company that claims to be interested in healthy eating (yeah, push those grapes or carrots with kiddie meals and people might forget how unhealthy much of your cooking really is!), they make sure that every menu has loads of options for someone looking to have a 3,000 calorie meal.
Why coddle morbidly obese folks? Well, many of them are loaded. Between disability checks and government assistance, they are buying DVC, they are spending weeks a year at WDW and they are eating and drinking their ways around the world. Food addictions are in the same category as booze, drugs, se-x, online, gambling etc. They destroy lives and affect all of us. Do you coddle a meth head? Someone who spends eight hours a day watching online ? How about someone who puts their paychecks into slot machines? Why are food addictions the stuff of ''they can't help themselves'' but someone who is a drug addict is a pariah? I don't care that you may find the above to be provocative. We are almost all adults here and this is a very simple point.
How does it effect you and I?
Well, beyond the tax and societal implications of having a supersized population, it has resulted in massive changes at WDW.
Green spaces, trees and planters have given way to more concrete walkways to allow the people with their ECVs and double wide strollers to navigate the parks. Shops, which at one time you'd be hardpressed to find a small stroller inside, are designed with HUGE empty spaces to make these folks more comfortable when shopping. Often the ECVs and strollers wind up damaging expensive displays or parts of the shops, so they get dumbed down and we all get a lesser experience.
Now, Disney wants to make it easier for ECV users to never get up and hence you have attractions constantly interrupted to load folks in special vehicles or, if they have to get out, stopped to let them on or off. Show quality for all suffers for the few.
ECVs also do a job on resorts. They have filthy wheels that go from theme parks to carpeted hallways and track in who knows what. They are often driven by folks who don't have them at home, so they tend to bump into things (and people) easily. Damage happens. I once saw a woman take a chunk of wall out at either BC or YC while trying to manuever in hallways not built for motorized vehicles.
WDI now designs WDW with larger people in mind. To me, that is the polar opposite of how a socially responsible company should conduct itself. Let's not confuse doing the right thing with doing the politically correct thing. Look at what UNI does. You think ECVs are common in WWoHP's shops? Show quality triumphs over trying to cater to a group.
I really don't wish to have this discussion prattle on while being labeled a 'hater' by folks who can't read the words on their screens or can't digest what is being fed to them. But WDW -- and TWDC -- has made conscious financially based choices to coddle people in a lifestyle that will lead these guests to illness and early death. Those are facts. I don't particularly like that they are. But most of the time (with a few exceptions) I don't help set Disney policy.
You can hate the fat and not the person. And you can understand that Disney's way of dealing with them is yet another way the company makes some of us feel very slimy.
I haven't had time to spend here today, but just skimmed six pages and think @flynnibus actually got the dynamic quite right (be careful, though, he really enjoys being right!)
Flynn used the word 'coddled' to explain the HUGE growth in morbid obese folks vacationing at WDW. Let's not talk about what causes it (the most common and simple reason is the right one: eating huge amounts of unhealthy food and not exercising) ... let's not demonize the people (I don't. I have lost family to this horrible affliction) ... but let's also not justify it and excuse it ('oh, there's some mysterious reason you can't tell for why Melba weights 476 pounds and it has nothing to do with the burger basket she's eating while running folks over on her ECV!') ... and let's instead focus on how it affects WDW and everyone's experiences since Disney has decided to CODDLE these people.
For a company that claims to be interested in healthy eating (yeah, push those grapes or carrots with kiddie meals and people might forget how unhealthy much of your cooking really is!), they make sure that every menu has loads of options for someone looking to have a 3,000 calorie meal.
Why coddle morbidly obese folks? Well, many of them are loaded. Between disability checks and government assistance, they are buying DVC, they are spending weeks a year at WDW and they are eating and drinking their ways around the world. Food addictions are in the same category as booze, drugs, se-x, online, gambling etc. They destroy lives and affect all of us. Do you coddle a meth head? Someone who spends eight hours a day watching online ? How about someone who puts their paychecks into slot machines? Why are food addictions the stuff of ''they can't help themselves'' but someone who is a drug addict is a pariah? I don't care that you may find the above to be provocative. We are almost all adults here and this is a very simple point.
How does it effect you and I?
Well, beyond the tax and societal implications of having a supersized population, it has resulted in massive changes at WDW.
Green spaces, trees and planters have given way to more concrete walkways to allow the people with their ECVs and double wide strollers to navigate the parks. Shops, which at one time you'd be hardpressed to find a small stroller inside, are designed with HUGE empty spaces to make these folks more comfortable when shopping. Often the ECVs and strollers wind up damaging expensive displays or parts of the shops, so they get dumbed down and we all get a lesser experience.
Now, Disney wants to make it easier for ECV users to never get up and hence you have attractions constantly interrupted to load folks in special vehicles or, if they have to get out, stopped to let them on or off. Show quality for all suffers for the few.
ECVs also do a job on resorts. They have filthy wheels that go from theme parks to carpeted hallways and track in who knows what. They are often driven by folks who don't have them at home, so they tend to bump into things (and people) easily. Damage happens. I once saw a woman take a chunk of wall out at either BC or YC while trying to manuever in hallways not built for motorized vehicles.
WDI now designs WDW with larger people in mind. To me, that is the polar opposite of how a socially responsible company should conduct itself. Let's not confuse doing the right thing with doing the politically correct thing. Look at what UNI does. You think ECVs are common in WWoHP's shops? Show quality triumphs over trying to cater to a group.
I really don't wish to have this discussion prattle on while being labeled a 'hater' by folks who can't read the words on their screens or can't digest what is being fed to them. But WDW -- and TWDC -- has made conscious financially based choices to coddle people in a lifestyle that will lead these guests to illness and early death. Those are facts. I don't particularly like that they are. But most of the time (with a few exceptions) I don't help set Disney policy.
You can hate the fat and not the person. And you can understand that Disney's way of dealing with them is yet another way the company makes some of us feel very slimy.
Oh yeah, I was there. Fans can be arses. ...
And just as I hit send, I finally see the Lumiere/FP+ commercial that folks have been talking about.
So, it's just a test, but everyone who pays to get in has to pretty much take part or have a vastly lesser quality experience? What other company but Disney could ever pull something like this and get away with it?
Seriously.
So, it's just a test, but everyone who pays to get in has to pretty much take part or have a vastly lesser quality experience? What other company but Disney could ever pull something like this and get away with it?
Seriously.
Great taste!
Some of them above? Absolutely.
And ... 3.) A coffee house existed at the same location for years before Disney decided there was more money in ice cream.
Again, I have no issue with either WDW parks location, but neither (or DL's for that matter) come close to the job Disney did in integrating Starbucks into DCA.
Recall that the original plan for a New Fantasyland had a pricetag of close to a billion dollars and would have encompassed the entire land. We got the value engineered version.
Skibum1970
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I'll probably get e-flamed for this but it starts with the parents and shows in the kids. I've seen too many overweight children riding in a stroller meant for a kid several years younger. The kids learn horrible diet patterns from their parents and they continue the trend. While a part of me feels bad for them, another part of me recognizes that it comes from taking responsibility for actions. You look back a few decades and you'll not see a lot of overweight children. It didn't start until the increase in junk food and usage of electronic devices. I've seen wide pathways at the MK blocked by two people walking side by side. That ain't genetics, typically, it's bending the elbow too much.
They built EPCOT Center in the same period of time ... not using 21st century techonlogies but by using 1970s tech.
No excuses for this. None at all.
BrianLo
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Alright, I feel the need to chime in to correct the misinformation here, I have a feeling this was just a random act of googling, so since it was brought up...
Science and Medicine time with Brian... Wooooooo!
Actually, that's the very nature of Prader Willi syndrome. Individuals are not "genetically fat", they are born with a series of malformations, one of which is a moderate to severe mental handicap that prevents them from having any understanding or ability to control their eating habits. They are ALWAYS hungry and will never stop eating. They cannot have ready access to any food and will constantly ask for it. They will eat garbage, literal garbage, so garbage cans have to be locked and barred down as well as kitchen cabinets.
Their obesity is caused by overeating, which might be the opposite point you were trying to make...
Yes you would know. Like Down syndrome - there is a characteristic set of malformations that are readily identifiable. The average obese guest at Disney also does not have a moderate-severe mental handicap (no... don't make me go there!)
Science and Medicine time with Brian... Wooooooo!
Actually, that's the very nature of Prader Willi syndrome. Individuals are not "genetically fat", they are born with a series of malformations, one of which is a moderate to severe mental handicap that prevents them from having any understanding or ability to control their eating habits. They are ALWAYS hungry and will never stop eating. They cannot have ready access to any food and will constantly ask for it. They will eat garbage, literal garbage, so garbage cans have to be locked and barred down as well as kitchen cabinets.
Their obesity is caused by overeating, which might be the opposite point you were trying to make...
Yes you would know. Like Down syndrome - there is a characteristic set of malformations that are readily identifiable. The average obese guest at Disney also does not have a moderate-severe mental handicap (no... don't make me go there!)
Soarin' Over Pgh
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Are they seriously trying to impress me with that song for the first trailer of this movie? And then on mute...wait what am I looking at?
The Groot thing looks like an interesting character. What an odd lineup, though.
I think he was referring to me originally. But I don't wish a back and forth on why obesity is a problem. The facts don't lie: unhealthy diets, massive consumption and sedentary lives. I am not morbidly obese, but have struggled with weight from time to time and I know how to lose weight and keep it off: make lifestyle changes. That won't help a small percentage, but it will help the VAST majority of obese folks. We all know it. We just want to make being morbidly obese socially acceptable. I won't join in that chow line.
And that is precisely why I left out any/all talk of obese people using their 'disability' to game Disney's system and not wait in lines with GAC and whatever it is called now.
WDWFigment
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I don't give the opinions of those who belittle HKDL much weight. I really enjoyed the place last year (it's no Tokyo...but what is?) and I'm putting my money where my mouth is: planning a return visit. The additional plans beyond what has been announced are no surprise, and that resort has a layout that's really conducive to expansion. The immediate future and the next 5 years (at least) there are very bright.
Right now I have far more interest in the three Asian resorts than either of the US ones.