The Spirited Sixth Sense ...

[ford91exploder]

Back in the day, the Tiki Room and IASW were E tickets as well. Some attractions "age" better than others. Few people would consider 20K, Jungle Cruise, Tiki Room or IASW to be E tickets today. Also, CoP never had a ticket designation because it was always free and sponsored by GE.

For their time they WERE E-Tickets, As was the 'Santa Fe and Disneyland RR' , E-Ticket is simply awesomeness for their point in time.

Mermaid COULD have been an E-ticket if the scenes had been done with a 3D projector one of the new ones which project into a fine CO2 fog which really make you feel part of the scene.

 

[FrankLapidus]

If Rasulo is such an idiot when it comes to parks (which I don't have trouble believing) and the expansions happened the insistence of Burbank(as is often stated) then why doesn't Burbank just get rid of the guy? It doesn't make sense that they'd continually force things to happen and not just take the easier route by getting rid of the problem?

Excellent question. But he's not the only high-level executive at TWDC that you could ask it about. To get rid of them all would take quite a purge, they're the legacy of strategic planning.

 

[ford91exploder]

If Rasulo is such an idiot when it comes to parks (which I don't have trouble believing) and the expansions happened the insistence of Burbank(as is often stated) then why doesn't Burbank just get rid of the guy? It doesn't make sense that they'd continually force things to happen and not just take the easier route by getting rid of the problem?

I hear the same kind of thing referred to with the general sentiment "TDO won't build anything or spend money without Burbank forcing them to" - Well if this really is the case and TDO is indeed causing so many problems that Burbank is constantly having to push to get any progress made, why don't they just dispense with the current TDO management? Surely if they can force projects down their throat they have the authority to make managerial changes that would fix the problem?

Same reason he's close to the top of the food chain, He knows where the bodies are buried and probably has several years worth of christmas party pictures as well. Never underestimate the power of blackmail.

 

[CDavid]

I like Buffalo Wild Wings
But question, how does the separation exist but yet pollo campero was at Downtown disney?
Is pollo Campero a premium brand in the US?

There seems to be something of an exception for counter service dining - not that there should be - since McDonald's was in that space previously. Pollo Campero was arguably a step up from the golden arches if for no other reason than there wasn't already one or more in every little town and most persons in America had never heard of it before (like Earl of Sandwich). Of course, I can't quite figure out why people give Starbucks a pass over having locations in the parks when McDonald's was blasted (and rightfully so) for being on-property at all.

what classifies an "E" v/s a "D" ticket attraction? perception by the designers?

Scale and scope. Pirates of the Caribbean and Gran Fiesta Tour are basically the same ride system, but nobody would mistake which was the grander attraction.

The simulator was classed as a good D.

The true E was cut.

So now people think the bigger attraction is automatically an E.

Though in a world where people think Soarin', TSMM and Mermaid are E's it's only expected.

I know the pixie-dusted crowd argues that Avatar land will be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I would hope they can see the basis of our concerns. The true "E" ticket was cut and the "C" ticket boat ride was reportedly on the line also. And the project hadn't even broke ground yet. We all know very well how Disney cuts project budgets; There are very valid reasons to question just what sort of land we may end up with here.

 

[ford91exploder]

Is there any detail, even just conceptual, on the cut E?

I AM REPEATING RUMORS TOLD TO ME BY OTHERS - I HAVE NO FIRSTHAND OR POSITIVE KNOWLEDGE.

There were some rumors it was supposed to be a suspended coaster to simulate flying on the critters 'Blue Pocahontas' rode. In other words a honest E-Ticket.

 

[kap91]

I know the pixie-dusted crowd argues that Avatar land will be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I would hope they can see the basis of our concerns. The true "E" ticket was cut and the "C" ticket boat ride was reportedly on the line also. And the project hadn't even broke ground yet. We all know very well how Disney cuts project budgets; There are very valid reasons to question just what sort of land we may end up with here.

I don't see how yet another coaster could qualify as a "true" e-ticket. I'd much rather take the boat ride and new simulator tech over that. If the visuals on either are even half of what the concept art shows you easily have two rides that can be considered e-tickets. Everest even with a working yeti is a fairly boring uninspired ride compared to the likes of Dinosaur or even Star Tours.

 

[djlaosc]

And let's not forget Merlin, Rover and Links!

I wish you could bring them back on the newer Microsoft Office...

 

[ABQ]

I AM REPEATING RUMORS TOLD TO ME BY OTHERS - I HAVE NO FIRSTHAND OR POSITIVE KNOWLEDGE.

There were some rumors it was supposed to be a suspended coaster to simulate flying on the critters 'Blue Pocahontas' rode. In other words a honest E-Ticket.

Yes, I remember those concept drawings hitting the streets too. But like you, all I ever heard of them were rumours that were spread atop rumours like a bad game of telephone. I'd love to at least, one day, hear it straight from the horse's mouth that that was truly planned other than just grandiose speculation from someone with zip for insight.

 

[PeterAlt]

The simulator was classed as a good D.

The true E was cut.

So now people think the bigger attraction is automatically an E.

Though in a world where people think Soarin', TSMM and Mermaid are E's it's only expected.

Wow. My many levels of disappointment....

 

[PhotoDave219]

Wow. My many levels of disappointment....

Alcohol helps cure the disappointment.

 

[marni1971]

Wow. My many levels of disappointment....

Indeed. The ride system was based on the loose "motorbike coaster" ride system. Not a suspended coaster though. That was for DHS.

Now being built at Shanghai Disneyland.

And once mooted for WDWs Tomorrowland.

 

[marni1971]

Was there ever a realistic proposal that had all 3 being built or was it always a choice between the coaster and the simulator?

As far as I know the plan was all 3.

Then came the scissors.

 

[PeterAlt]

The simulator was classed as a good D.

The true E was cut.

So now people think the bigger attraction is automatically an E.

Though in a world where people think Soarin', TSMM and Mermaid are E's it's only expected.

Is that why the delay?

 

[PeterAlt]

Indeed. The ride system was based on the loose "motorbike coaster" ride system. Not a suspended coaster though. That was for DHS.

Now being built at Shanghai Disneyland.

And once mooted for WDWs Tomorrowland.

Something's coming to DHS?

 

[PeterAlt]

As far as I know the plan was all 3.

Then came the scissors.

I'll never look at scissors the same way again. I'd like to take a hammer and bash those scissors to smithereens!

 

[FrankLapidus]

Something's coming to DHS?

Key word there is "was".

 

[PeterAlt]

Photo Dave, everything I said yesterday... Scratch that, reverse it.

 

[PeterAlt]

Key word there is "was".

What has this World come to? I feel like Charleston Heston at the end of the original Planet of the Apes, "It's a MAD HOUSE!! A MAD HOUSE!!!!!!!!"

 

[flynnibus]

If Rasulo is such an idiot when it comes to parks (which I don't have trouble believing) and the expansions happened the insistence of Burbank(as is often stated) then why doesn't Burbank just get rid of the guy? It doesn't make sense that they'd continually force things to happen and not just take the easier route by getting rid of the problem?

If you are 'the bosses guy..' you can get away with much more. Plus, they've managed to keep turning out the results the board wants to see. What the board wants and what we want aren't necessarily the same...

 

[ford91exploder]

Indeed. The ride system was based on the loose "motorbike coaster" ride system. Not a suspended coaster though. That was for DHS.

Now being built at Shanghai Disneyland.

And once mooted for WDWs Tomorrowland.

Thanks for correction - Any pics of similar coasters?