The Spirited Sixth Sense ...

WDW1974

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Sorry to bump this up after so many pages but YES! I completely 100% agree on it all. People tell me they r going to WDW, I scoff and tell them to take a Disney cruise and experience Disney magic the way it was meant to be!

Regarding Karl, I am surprised to hear that. My impression of him has always been from some frontline CMs in the PI glory years who have a large amount of respect for him and how he ran the island. He was routinely on the front lines with cast and genuinely cared about the operation. I'm sad to hear about the other side of his reign there.

I heard good things about him back then as well. A lot changes over almost two decades and power goes to one's head. Having dealt with the man, all I care to say is he an unpleasant individual and not the kind of person that should ever be in the position he currently has.

I was told he was planning on retiring post-Fantasy, but I have the feeling he is intending on sticking around at least until they decide on the next expansion of the business.

These people are all the same. Disney recycles and places folks in positions they don't belong in to avoid going outside the company. In that regard, Disney is very cult-like.
 

WDW1974

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An army of lobbyists will be descending on Tallahassee over the South Beach casinos.

Except they have no chance of changing things. Disney (the company that makes millions in gambling dollars) doesn't want competition in Florida for convention dollars. And being in bed with the religious right AND the Seminole Tribe pretty much guarantees that nothing changes.

It's just a great time to be a lobbyist for either side as the $$$ is pouring in ...
 

WDW1974

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I am surprised that SOARIN OVER THE WORLD is not coming to Tokyo. And just *what* is brewing in the Tokyo resort?!

Hey Dennis, nice to see you around here!

Not sure exactly what is coming to TDR, but they will be spending a lot going forward and a third gate is a definite possibility and/or additions to both existing parks.

OLC runs things entirely different (from a business model standpoint) than TWDC does and the result is a product that is second to none on the planet.

Oh, and now to royally off UNI fanbois, I do believe Diagon Alley will be TDS quality or above. BUT ... that doesn't mean that simply opening it will make USF on par with TDS. Lots of other things will have to happen first. TDS is amazing overall. It doesn't have weak chapters ... just stronger and stronger.
 

WDW1974

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I really, really wonder what the heck they have up their sleeve. They aren't ones to sit idle, but as far as I can tell they don't actually have anything major coming up in the next few years.

Soarin' Over the World is such a shoe-in for the plot of land where the Mythica floats hang out (by the Italian place/aqueduct wall). The only thing I can imagine being the holdup is the California version making absolutely no sense for the park, but now that SDL is actually forcing a new version to occur, I'm not sure why they haven't started into it for a 2016 debut.

I also have to assume they'll just piggyback the California Starwars overlay to Tomorrowland whenever that occurs.

As far as long term plans go, they could get a third gate pumped out by 2020 if they were motivated *cough Olympics cough*.

I would truly hope TDS doesn't get Soarin. The last additions have all been clones (albeit much better and lavishly designed) of stateside attractions. TDS has limited expansion room as it stands and I'd rather see something unique.
 

WDW1974

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Spirit, I know you don't generally like anonymous disney related twitter accounts, but I thought this was worth sharing.

Yes. This individual 'appears' to be well-connected ... one of 3-4 people I check in on from time to time. The thing is you don't really know ...

I recall someone a year (maybe two) ago on twitter who worked at DLR and was suddenly a bigtime 'insider' and all the fanbois would tweet him up ... All he was was a front-line CM that had some access to information and was very good at being where he didn't belong and overhearing things ... but, even then, after a while his info went way south. I can't even recall what his name was.
 

WDW1974

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Hopefully not stating the obvious but isn't it entirely feasible and the most likely scenario that the main reason for increased capacity of 3,000+ was the result of not only more physical space being available but also an omnimover, BOG, story time with belle and the additional dumbo? So once again traditional capital investment worked?

No one knows where that 3K figure came from and what it means if it even is real. What you posted makes as much sense as anything ...
 

71jason

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Fanbois who work for Disney, know the company stalks them on social media and create Facebook accounts that are de facto WDW PR accounts are the worst slime in a very moldy bathroom.

I don't know, PR types who know their bought-and-paid-for blogger-prostitutes have threatened other people via social media (even done so while inside a theme park!) yet still invite them to media events seem even slimier.
 

WDW1974

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Please let us know what you're hearing...cause there's been little rumblings and hen pecks all over the web today. Curious as to what, but not going to speculate...

Side note- you should probably be lucky you're not in Sochi with how many reports of hotels not finished, no floors (what?) no running water, etc that have been posted already! Yikes!

Yep. Having been in Beijing as part of the 2008 Summer Games, I know how you do things right and how you don't.

The IOC is more corrupt than our government. That's why these games are not in Austria where they should be, but in a made up place that is the warmest locale ever selected for the Winter Games (maybe the palm trees should have clued them in?)
 

71jason

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Otherwise I too don't understand the recent phenomenon of suddely propelling obscure characters into fan superstardom. Orange Bird, Oswald, Ron Schneider. These were all footnotes, mostly irrelevancies until their sudden recent fan stardom.

A quick defense of Orange Bird. He was plastered all over the Florida Welcome Center in the 70s/early 80s back when most of us middle-class yankees still had to drive down here. I've always associated him as much with Florida as WDW. And on the flip side, only people that had made that drive, through the Bridge-Tunnel and past Pedro and South of the Border, knew who he was--he wasn't on TV or in the movies like the other Disney icons. Recognizing Orange Bird became kind of a secret handshake to those of us lucky enough to have experienced the wonder of Disney World and Parrot Jungle and driving on the beach at Daytona. And that's why I still hang onto the stupid figurines I bought when I was 6, the last relic of my childhood not boxed up.
 

WDW1974

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Well at least Oswald is genuinely rooted in Disney folklore, since forever.

Otherwise I too don't understand the recent phenomenon of suddely propelling obscure characters into fan superstardom. Orange Bird, Oswald, Ron Schneider. These were all footnotes, mostly irrelevancies until their sudden recent fan stardom.

They do seem to attract a certain segment of fans. Newer fans with a limited scope of their Disney obsession. They focus it on minutiae, and on commercialised offerings, and on tangible characters. There also seems to be an element of overcompensation in it, an attempt to acquire fan authenticity by association with historic minutiae.

That may be the most agreement I have ever felt after reading one of your posts.

I also think Disney and the DPB team all take advantage (and use social media as well) of this feeding frenzy over mostly trivial things.

I wonder what's next? Will they sell snow globes full of EPCOT wall carpeting samples? Maybe a vinylmation series based on the original tenants of the WDW Village shopping center ... who wouldn't want that incredibly valuable pet shop vinyl with Pluto or a deli one with Mickey? Quick, someone call or tweet up Scary Steven.
 

WDW1974

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If he can evade questions on earnings calls, can't wait for him to fend off the loonies at the annual meeting

Hiding it in Oregon (one of a handful of states I have never set foot in) will pretty much ensure that the loonies don't ask anything he'll have to worry about.

What a chickensh-- wonder Iger is that after his first meeting in Anaheim, he has stayed far away from LA or O-Town. Just hide all the time and have goons with you whenever you have to be in public. And walk away with hundreds of millions of dollars in two years.
 

zooey

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I would truly hope TDS doesn't get Soarin. The last additions have all been clones (albeit much better and lavishly designed) of stateside attractions. TDS has limited expansion room as it stands and I'd rather see something unique.

Wasn't WDI trying to get OLC to bite on an Avatar project?
 
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WDW1974

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I don't know, PR types who know their bought-and-paid-for blogger-prostitutes have threatened other people via social media (even done so while inside a theme park!) yet still invite them to media events seem even slimier.

Well, I do believe that most of Celebration Place is occupied by sleazy individuals who only care about their positions. So, it is fitting that they deal with the bottom-feeders that make up the Lifestyler Brigade.
 

WDWFanDave

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Normally I try to avoid ripping into someone but Iger's responses to MyMagic+ questions at yesterday's earnings call genuinely concerned me.

Wall Street twice asked about MyMagic+ revenue. Iger refused to answer the question twice.

Q: "Then for Bob, you guys had talked about the cost of MyMagic+ this quarter, but can you give us some indications of how the rollout's going on revenue and customer behavior, because per capita is really good at this point, so what's going on with MyMagic+?"

A: "I can't quantify it from a financial perspective yet. It's still early and we are still rolling out facets of it. What I can say is, that what has been rolled out has been a real success both, for the guest and for us.

"To give you, a for instance, our parks people in Walt Disney World believe during the peak holiday season that we were able to accommodate about 3,000 more additional guests in the Magic Kingdom per day thanks to MyMagic+.

"One of the, I think, most attractive features and one that I think will have possibly the biggest benefit is the FastPass+, which is the ability to reserve 3 times on 3 attractions per day, either before you visited the park if you are a resort guest, or the day you enter the park if you are a same day or a single day ticket holder.

"What we are seeing there is substantially higher utilization of that product among our guests than we saw with the traditional FASTPASS. By the way by a wide margin.

"Since the goal of this was to make the guest experience better, enable the guests to experience more, to do some more efficiently and essentially to be able to customize, we think that these are very, very good signs for us, because clearly guest satisfaction is very, very important to the value equation for us both, how they spend their time when they are with us and the determining factor in terms of whether they come back, so, this is all very good.

"I'd say the biggest impact is, one, being able to accommodate more people. This is just more efficient. Secondly, enabling guests to have a substantially better experience than they have had before, because they are doing more."​

And later:

Q: "Then just my second question on MyMagic+, I know you said the benefit of guest satisfaction, but there must be some benefit to revenue to be able to put a device button, get out of the store, run to doors quickly. Is it showing up in the per cap revenues? On the cost side, how much more is there to go? How much more it is there to go now?"

A: "Well, look, what we spend and how we account for it, I don't really want to get into that. There's some impact on the bottom line, but this is still a very new product, so we are not even close to being able to quantify it. In a public sense, in fact, we are actually just learning more about how it's working and what impact it is having on our business today.

"I think you may be jumping to conclusions that the per cap spending was the direct result of MyMagic+ at this point, it's still a little bit early. It's possible that it had some impact, but I can't say today that we know for sure that it did.

"We do know, as I said, talking to George Kalogridis who runs Walt Disney World, [said] this morning that he really believes that he was able to accommodate 3,000 more people a day in the busiest period of the year in the Magic Kingdom, which is our number one park. That obviously has bottom line value, but we can't tell you what that is."​

WHAT??!!!

2 BILLION spent and you "can't quantify it from a financial perspective yet"? You are "not even close to being able to quantify it"?

You mean Iger & Rasulo, numbers guys through-and-through, have no method in place to quantify MyMagic+ revenue performance?

Do you think Universal will have a problem this summer quantifying Diagon Alley's revenue performance?

This is a really big deal. Earnings calls are highly deferential affairs. They are polite Q & A's. Questions are asked nicely, answered calmly, and then it's on to the next one. The same question is almost never asked twice at an earnings call. The fact that Iger didn't answer the question twice raises all sorts of red flags for the project.

Look, Disney is doing great financially as a company. This is not about Disney's or even WDW's profits.

This is about corporate Disney investing in a loser of a project and the rest of WDW having to suffer as a result.

MyMagic+ represents a tremendous waste of capital resources. Resources that could have been invested so much more wisely on so many other projects. (Stop messing around and just give me Star Wars Land!)

Now, let's look at the other interesting tidbits in Iger's responses.

"FastPass+, which is the ability to reserve 3 times on 3 attractions per day, either before you visited the park if you are a resort guest, or the day you enter the park if you are a same day or a single day ticket holder."​

Resort guests? Before you visit the park. Check.

Day guests? The day you enter the park. Check.

AP holders? AP holders?

Bueller? Bueller?

So, no mention of AP holders. Do you think if MM+ was first rolled out at DLR that there'd be no mention of AP holders?

If you Florida AP holders have been feeling second-class, feeling like an afterthought, well, guess what? You are. :mad:

What else to cover?

"our parks people in Walt Disney World believe during the peak holiday season that we were able to accommodate about 3,000 more additional guests in the Magic Kingdom per day thanks to MyMagic+."​

Wow, 3,000 more additional guests. Sounds impressive, right?

But then two sentences later, Iger lets the cat out of the bag:

"What we are seeing there is substantially higher utilization of that product among our guests than we saw with the traditional FASTPASS. By the way by a wide margin."​

OMG.

You understand that FP+ is used more that FP because there simply are more attractions with FP+, don't you Iger?

You realize that adding FP+ to Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, and several MK attractions does not mean that MK can actually "accommodate" more "guests", don't you Iger?

I mean, with all those hours of joy you've spent with your family at theme parks your entire life, you understand that shifting "guests" from one line to two lines does not mean you can actually "accommodate" more "guests", don't you Iger?

Or are you just taking George's word for it? :banghead:

Coffee, beer or cocktail, someday it would be my pleasure to pick up the tab to enjoy a beverage with you, @WDW1974 and others here I'm too tired to list, but would love to chat with. Thanks for the post, very well said!
 

wm49rs

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That may be the most agreement I have ever felt after reading one of your posts.

I also think Disney and the DPB team all take advantage (and use social media as well) of this feeding frenzy over mostly trivial things.

I wonder what's next? Will they sell snow globes full of EPCOT wall carpeting samples? Maybe a vinylmation series based on the original tenants of the WDW Village shopping center ... who wouldn't want that incredibly valuable pet shop vinyl with Pluto or a deli one with Mickey? Quick, someone call or tweet up Scary Steven.
Who knows? They may choose to sell pieces of a demolished parade as pins....
 

BrianLo

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Oh, and now to royally off UNI fanbois, I do believe Diagon Alley will be TDS quality or above. BUT ... that doesn't mean that simply opening it will make USF on par with TDS. Lots of other things will have to happen first. TDS is amazing overall. It doesn't have weak chapters ... just stronger and stronger.

Agreed. The Universal > Disney argument falls off the wheels the further you get away from the Floridan Swamps.

Almost every park no matter how good has their laundry list of things that need to be improved. TDS is the exception... it maybe could use a StormRider update (and better park wide merch). That's all I'd change outside of saying full steam ahead on more capacity!

The Studios in particular still have a lot of issues, but at least it's heading quickly in the right direction.

I have been out of the loop, but I need to hear it from my UNI sources.

Let us know what you hear on Kong, as it's pretty much accepted as fact everywhere these days. If you still are not hearing anything though that's an interesting red flag.
 

Longhairbear

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When everyone is whispering, yet no one is saying anything, it it does make a Spirit wonder just what did or did not go down (no fanboi jokes) in Glendale today.

A comment that deserves a separate post really, but just back from dinner with my Spirited Father and while he has no interest in these sort of online discussions, he was the one who hooked me on WDW ... his out of the blue comment: ''Is Disney still letting River Country just sit and rot? That's sad. It shows a lot of (what) the company stands for today.''

No, I didn't tell him that I could show him 250 pages of plans for the DVC resort Disney wants to build there, but is going to cost too much (thankfully!)
I put out a feeler to my Facebook snoops, nothing came back about Flower St. But then again, I am no way as connected as I once was, or thought I was...
 

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