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HenryMystic

Well-Known Member
Will it be a tie-in with JP? I am confused on how it ties in with JP yet understand it is somewhat of a clone from Hollywood? Any details on how they plan to theme it with the existing area?
It will be a separate "island" from JP. I expect lots of foliage. A certain scene from the ride may resemble the tram tour attraction from Hollywood, but our ride will be a full-blown E-Ticket with yet another new ride system.

@HTF talks about it on Episode 7 of Orlando United Radio. I'm sure you can find the relevant details on the Kong thread on Orlando United as well.
 

Funmeister

Well-Known Member
It will be a separate "island" from JP. I expect lots of foliage. A certain scene from the ride may resemble the tram tour attraction from Hollywood, but our ride will be a full-blown E-Ticket with yet another new ride system.

@HTF talks about it on Episode 7 of Orlando United Radio. I'm sure you can find the relevant details on the Kong thread on Orlando United as well.

Cool. Thanks for the info!
 

JimboJones123

Well-Known Member
I have a word for that: insanity.

Yes, I mean that. Because no child is ever going to want to wait (or be able) to wait that long without meltdowns (we didn't have that word for bratty kids when i was one) ... and adults ...cough ...Phil ...cough ...cough who would wait that long because they want to meet O-Town residents pretending to be toon characters have major, major issues.
We adopted a "never gonna happen" attitude when it comes to this M&G.

It is flat out insanity.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
FYI - Miyuki left Epcot of her own choice. She has been telling people since late this past summer that she was planning on leaving and wants to open her own shop - rumor has it possibly in New York.

Thanks I'm glad she was not one of the 'thousand cuts' this year,
 

Darth Sidious

Authentically Disney Distinctly Chinese
Thanks @WDW1974, I'm in the tech field and tend to see things as they are not as I'd like them to be and I'm really not liking what I'm seeing with the cuts in entertainment Miyuki and PUSH being the highest profile,

It also seems Disney is having a hard time profiting with their media properties as well.

I DONT see Iger getting a 'Disney Legend' designation, Although I would give him one if it made him leave faster...

He will get one, no doubt about that. He might even get a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. When ME got one a few years ago TWDC actually sent a big fanfare, including The Weatherman himself. It was actually quite nice... Bob wasn't as heavily involved in film as ME though so he may not get the star.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
It will be a separate "island" from JP. I expect lots of foliage. A certain scene from the ride may resemble the tram tour attraction from Hollywood, but our ride will be a full-blown E-Ticket with yet another new ride system.

@HTF talks about it on Episode 7 of Orlando United Radio. I'm sure you can find the relevant details on the Kong thread on Orlando United as well.

Right, it has nothing to do with JP except for proximity
 

tirian

Well-Known Member
As to Frozen, it is a huge hit. No doubt. That doesn't alter my opinion of it one bit. Still, the best Disney has made since the 90s, but not on par with much of what was produced that decade ... and music that is largely not memorable (whether it will be headed to Broadway or not, I'd rather see Aladdin or Newsies and then maybe they can finally bring Hunchback to life!)

Thank you.
 

zulemara

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
All I can say is 'told ya so!'

DCL is one part of the business that lives up to its hype and then some, one that delivers a consistently top notch product and one where they don't appear to be trying to rip every bit of quality out in a money grab. I still find it strange because it is run by Karl Holz who is a WDW guy and who came up in that culture of cutting quality for pennies starting with being a Food and Beverage Manager on PI in the mid 1990s. But the DCL product is one thing that Disney gets very right.

The thing is, though, many Disney fanbois are simply fans of the parks and would never go on a cruise (likely due to leaving the country and having bathing suit issues).

I think DCL is still generally priced too high for its bottom market entry cruises (like those 3-4 nighters out of Port Canaveral) but you can find deals on the longer voyages and I'll be sailing with them multiple times in the next few years, still on the 'classic' ships as their itineraries tend to be more what I am looking for.

But I would tell anyone thinking about either a Disney vacation or a cruise vacation to look into DCL. They've sold me and so long as they keep delivering, I'll keep singing their praises.
Sorry to bump this up after so many pages but YES! I completely 100% agree on it all. People tell me they r going to WDW, I scoff and tell them to take a Disney cruise and experience Disney magic the way it was meant to be!

Regarding Karl, I am surprised to hear that. My impression of him has always been from some frontline CMs in the PI glory years who have a large amount of respect for him and how he ran the island. He was routinely on the front lines with cast and genuinely cared about the operation. I'm sad to hear about the other side of his reign there.
 

the.dreamfinder

Well-Known Member
An army of lobbyists will be descending on Tallahassee over the South Beach casinos.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-05/disney-battles-casino-operators-over-florida-expansion.html
Adelson Takes On Disney in Florida Casino Battle

To bring Las Vegas-style gambling to Florida, casino operators like Sheldon Adelson are sending more than 100 lobbyists to the state Capitol to battle their biggest adversary:Mickey Mouse.

The clash pits casino operators Genting Bhd. (GENT) and Las Vegas Sands Corp. (LVS), controlled by billionaire Adelson, against Walt Disney Co. (DIS), which runs theme parks and resorts near Orlando, and may face new competition for convention business. Companies on both sides of the dispute are sending lobbyists and campaign checks to Florida lawmakers, who say they’ll consider expanding gambling this year.

A state-commissioned study found that full-service casinos and their associated hotels could generate $1.5 billion in spending annually in Florida, making the fourth-most populous state an attractive target for the gambling industry as it pushes to expand in the U.S. The outcome is critical for Disney, as the world’s largest entertainment company seeks to protect its Walt Disney World Resort, which includes theme parks and five convention facilities.

“Gambling interests in Las Vegas and Atlantic City are looking for new territory, and opening Florida to them would be tremendous,” said Robert Jarvis, who teaches gambling law at Nova Southeastern University in Fort Lauderdale. “The fear for Disney is that instead of people going to Disney and dropping their disposable income there, they’ll go to the destination casinos and drop their money there.

Indian Casinos
Florida law limits gambling to eight Indian casinos, which offer Las Vegas-style gambling with the exception of craps and roulette, along with 31 pari-mutuel facilities. Casino operators want lawmakers to authorize as many as three resorts in South Florida that would offer the same range of games as in Las Vegas.

Casino resorts -- which feature hotels, meeting space, gambling and other entertainment -- would compete with Burbank, California-based Disney for tourists and conventions, said Jarvis.

Disney has 700,000 square feet of meeting space in its Florida resorts, according to the company’s website. Genting said in 2012 it wanted to build the world’s largest casino in Miami with 750,000 square feet of meeting space.

Genting’s allies include Associated Industries of Florida, a business trade group that on Jan. 15 unveiled a new website and marketing campaign touting casino resorts as a “huge magnet for convention and trades shows.” Lobbyists for casino operators say an expansion will bring jobs and tourists and boost the economy.

‘Bad Bet’
Disney argues gambling would hurt the state.

“The massive expansion of gambling that would come from legalizing mega-casinos would be a bad bet for Florida’s taxpayers, tourism brand and existing businesses,” said Andrea Finger, a Disney spokeswoman, in a statement.

The company’s opposition isn’t based on any potential threat to its convention bookings, Finger said.

Florida’s warm weather and steady stream of international tourists make it attractive for casino operators looking to enter a conventions-and-meetings industry dominated by Disney, said Nick Iarossi, a Tallahassee-based lobbyist representing Las Vegas Sands Corp. Iarossi said he met with Adelson last week to discuss the Florida market.

“Florida is better suited than even a New York or a Maryland for an integrated resort,” Iarossi said. “Our tourism-based economy is really perfect for the convention and trade-show business.”

States that have legalized or expanded casino gambling since 2008 include Massachusetts, Maryland, Kansas, Indiana, Missouri, Ohio, Illinois, California, Colorado and New Jersey. In New York, voters last year approved a constitutional amendment authorizing as many as seven casinos.

Campaign Cash
The Florida debate is filling the campaign purses of lawmakers and Governor Rick Scott, a 61-year-old Republican who hasn’t said whether he favors allowing new casinos. Gambling interests have donated more than $3.4 million to Florida lawmakers since 2012, while Disney has contributed $1.7 million. Both sides are on pace to almost double their spending from the previous election cycle.

“It’s a major food fight, that’s the best way to characterize it,” said Dan Adkins, chief operating officer of Hartman & Tyner, Inc., which owns the Mardi Gras Casino in Hallandale Beach, Florida, and donated more than $200,000 to Florida politicians last year.

State legislators met Feb. 3 to discuss a rewrite of gambling regulations. They plan to introduce a draft bill next week and vote on a new gaming law during the 60-day legislative session that begins March 4, said state Senator Garrett Richter, a Republican and chairman of the Senate gaming committee.

Buying Land
While the gaming industry has pushed for Las Vegas-style gambling in Florida since the 1970s, lawmakers revived the debate in 2011, when Genting began buying more than $400 million of real estate for its Resorts World Miami project. The legislature in 2012 rejected a Genting-backed proposal that would have allowed the Kuala Lumpur-based company to build a $3.8 billion casino resort.

Opposition from Disney and others helped kill the plan, even as Southeast Asia’s largest casino operator spent more than $4 million on lobbyists and campaign contributions. Genting has continued to pursue a casino license.

The state’s racetracks, slot operators and Indian casinos are all jostling to protect, and possibly expand, their turf this year. The Seminole Tribe of Florida, which wants to renew its contract to operate the state’s only Las Vegas-style casinos, donated $500,000 to Scott’s campaign in September, the largest gift of the year. Adelson, whose Las Vegas Sands is the world’s largest casino operator, donated $250,000 in 2012, that year’s biggest gift.

Free Tickets
Disney, the Florida Chamber of Commerce and other anti-gambling interests have also increased their political contributions. Disney has given Florida politicians more than $400,000 in free theme park tickets and entertainment in the past year, state records show.

No Casinos, an Orlando-based group that hired 23 lobbyists last year to work against Florida gambling, invited lawmakers to a January screening of a documentary film it financed that warns casino operators “make big promises, exert their influence, then everything crumbles.” The group won’t reveal the source of its funding.

Deploying Lobbyists
Disney, a powerhouse in Florida politics due to its central role in the state’s $71.8 billion tourism industry, hired 34 lobbyists last year, according to state records. A similar number are working to defeat gambling this year, Finger said. Casino operators plan to deploy more than 100 lobbyists this year, according to state filings and interviews with company officials.

Disney is “one of the most powerful special interests around,” said Etan Mark, a lawyer for Miami Jai-Alai, a casino with 1,000 slot machines owned by Florida Gaming Corp. (FGMGQ) “The specter of getting targeted by Disney in an election, I’m sure, is weighing very heavily on a number of these state representatives as they consider what the next step is going to be.”

Genting is stepping up its campaign to influence lawmakers. Since last year, Genting companies have donated more than $1.1 million to Florida politicians, according to state filings. Carrie Thompson, a spokeswoman for Genting’s Miami project, declined to comment on the company’s strategy in Florida.

Hurting Business
State lawmakers haven’t released any proposed gambling laws as they approach the legislative session and campaign for re-election in November.

Richter, 63, the state senator, said at a Feb. 3 meeting of the gaming committee that he supports as many as two full-service casinos in South Florida.

“A destination resort in Miami would be a good thing for the state of Florida,” he said at the meeting. “It would attract new revenue dollars.”

Senator Gwen Margolis, a Democrat who serves on the panel, said that she opposes large casinos in Miami because they would hurt existing hotels and businesses.

In a legislature controlled by Republicans, many have sought to voice moral opposition to gambling while also keeping the door open to expansion proposals.

The Florida Chamber of Commerce, has made it a priority to defeat any gambling proposals this year, said its vice president, David Hart.

The goal is to protect Florida’s “family-friendly” image, said Hart. Disney, which is a top contributor to the Chamber’s political committee and has a seat on the board, has made similar arguments to lawmakers.

“This is going to be a real battle in the legislature,” Hart said. “Part of the reason is that the casinos, whether that’s the Malaysian Group, Genting, or whether that’s Las Vegas Sands, they need Florida a lot more than we need them.”
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
I am thrilled with this. And can't wait to eagerly ignore it on my next visit.

On my last, I saw that TDL's two longest lines were always Hunny Hunt and Buzz Lightyear (usually about 110 minutes). I loved skipping the latter and going on attractions that were truly worth my time.

My anecdotal evidence suggests its now largely Monsters Inc being the large draw. Secondarily was Splash Mountain actually. Both of those I only braved with fast passes obtained first thing in the morning, everything else I managed to do by standby at some point or another.

I always seem to manage to catch Pooh with 5 minute waits, especially towards the end of the night or if a parade is going on. Oddly enough I felt Haunted Mansion was almost harder to ride than Pooh.

On TDS side of things TSMM was closed and TOT was actually the hardest thing to get on.

...sic (referring to Rat at WDS)
It isn't going to break new ground. Hunny Hunt did that back in the 20th century. But it should be worlds better than the little kiddie coaster that every fanboi is getting worked up over.

This isn't a bad thing honestly, I expect it to be in the same vein as Mystic Manor, which is to say impossibly charming/enjoyable and better than most of what WDW has done in the last two decades.
 

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