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Goofyernmost

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According to the book, "Walt Disney" by Neal Gabler. Elias moved to a place called Kismet, Florida that was located in Central Florida about 50 miles from where WDW is currently located. He basically followed Flora (Walts Mother) there and while courting her delivered mail with horse and buggy. They married there and he purchased a citrus farm and shortly thereafter, due to a freeze that destroyed the crop, went back to delivering the mail until they moved to Chicago.

I still think that I remember reading that he worked, very briefly, as the Postmaster in Kissimmee, but, that might have been for dramatic effect or confusion between Kismet and Kissimmee. I have read a couple of books about Walt, so it might have been another that I read that in. Even without that, the fact that Elias and Flora were married so close to WDW in itself is mind boggling. Especially when you figure how difficult travel must have been in the late 1800's.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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Why does it even need a story? It's a shopping center. Guess Imagineering is just desperate to show off something for Disney World and since no rides are currently under construction, here we are.
It would make my day if they built Frozen themed bathrooms and made an elaborate story reason behind them, explaining how it fits in perfectly with the song "Let it Go, Can't Hold it Back Anymore". Though to be fair, that's honestly how TDO views WDW as a whole too, or how Iger views the company.
 
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Cesar R M

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Never depend on USB jacks to work, always carry something like this.
I know, it's not the point of your post, but still.
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as a IT on networking. I can tell you that the first things to fail.. are the powered USBs.
I still have no idea why they love to install them anywhere since they fail so easily.


Man, chum in the water. Hope they ask why they hired a CFO fresh off a firing for accounting fraud.

http://touch.orlandosentinel.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-81123458/

#thebrain

Where's the info about the CFO being fired for accounting fraud?


ndeed. Learned that long ago when I charged my phone overnight at the Contemporary in their complementary iHome. Found out in the morning it was broken, leaving resort without my phone charged.

I now have two portable chargers, depending on how long I will be out, which one I take with me.
This one fits well into my shorts pocket with my iPhone Chic Charger It will give me 2-3 charges.
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$15
and then I have another one that will completely recharge phones 6 times on one charge, great if I am taking lots of photo's or if other family members want to recharge or a camera. Anker $30
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What Disney needs to learn is tech needs maintenance. It needs to be part of their daily inspection routine and not counting on inconvenienced guests to shore up what they choose to overlook. Disney has always been behind in tech for guests, nothing new. Doesn't surprise me that they are having a tough time with anything that has to do with keeping their guests connected to WiFi to support MDE. Ahhhhh.
you use your phone for photos?
 

asianway

Well-Known Member
as a IT on networking. I can tell you that the first things to fail.. are the powered USBs.
I still have no idea why they love to install them anywhere since they fail so easily.




Where's the info about the CFO being fired for accounting fraud?



you use your phone for photos?
Jim Heaney was fired when Jim Lewis & Lawrence Smith got the axe for fixing the Aulani dues
 

Cesar R M

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I won't despair about Disney. I think that once the younger and more idealistic millennials (especially those who grew up with the decidedly un-mediocre media of the 90s) begin to enter the corporate world, then things will change for the better.
THEY GET PAID lol.

Reminds me of that episode of South Park, where the Jonas Brothers tried to quit and Mickey Mouse beat the crap of out one of them while doing his "ha ha".

Why does it even need a story? It's a shopping center. Guess Imagineering is just desperate to show off something for Disney World and since no rides are currently under construction, here we are.
Isnt Pandora technically a "ride" and a "land"?
 

Mike S

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THEY GET PAID lol.

Reminds me of that episode of South Park, where the Jonas Brothers tried to quit and Mickey Mouse beat the crap of out one of them while doing his "ha ha".


Isnt Pandora technically a "ride" and a "land"?
Love that episode. Yes you are right, it is under construction. Guess it just didn't hit me as much since it won't be open for another 3 years and even then insiders are saying it'll be opening in phases.
 
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Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
you use your phone for photos?

Ha! That came off as a tad judgmental my friend. ;)

I do indeed use my phone for photo's. I carry little into the parks. As you may recall I've been going to the parks since I was 18 months old-Disneyland since there was not a WDW. I've lugged the camera around, took all the pretty pictures, then all the pictures of my ever growing family over the second 20 years of WDW. Now I am pretty much done with that. I can only take so many pictures of the Castle etc. My iPhone takes good enough pictures for what I need them for and I have never pretended to be a photographer on any level. I snap memories now and they are perfectly fine for my needs and it is so easy to forward them with the iPhone or upload them very quickly. I love all the photo's from our members that are great photographers. I admire their talent that I will never have.
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
It would make my day if they built Frozen themed bathrooms and made an elaborate story reason behind them, explaining how it fits in perfectly with the song "Let it Go, Can't Hold it Back Anymore". Though to be fair, that's honestly how TDO views WDW as a whole too, or how Iger views the company.

Funny.

That reminds me I still have to go read what Disney has created as the Backstory of Disney Springs. Honestly I never gave thought to a back story to a shopping/club/restaurant district. Then again, I never thought there would be a backstory to toilets either, that is until Tangled.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Funny.

That reminds me I still have to go read what Disney has created as the Backstory of Disney Springs. Honestly I never gave thought to a back story to a shopping/club/restaurant district. Then again, I never thought there would be a backstory to toilets either, that is until Tangled.
A backstory for bathrooms makes more sense to me:). Maybe because I spend more time "going" then shopping.
 

stevehousse

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The backstory for a ride or themed area sure, but a shopping mall? Just silly. If they were just honest and said, like they did in the video, " the 3 themed districts were not as coherent as we would like them to be." And add "so we r remodeling the whole area to fit one overall look" plain and simple and still gets the message across without sounding stupid!
 

Gomer

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I won't despair about Disney. I think that once the younger and more idealistic millennials (especially those who grew up with the decidedly un-mediocre media of the 90s) begin to enter the corporate world, then things will change for the better.
And so has every generation thought for at least the last 50 years. Unfortunately greed and the need to pay the bills corrupts ideals. Nearly every generation has idealistic kids with plans of changing the world. When push comes to shove, they just tun into their parents. Its the nature of the beast. Maybe you are right and this time its gonna be different. But I wouldn't bet on it. But then again, I'm one of those past generations with previously crushed ideals. So. I'm not exactly objective.
 

bhg469

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Ha! That came off as a tad judgmental my friend. ;)

I do indeed use my phone for photo's. I carry little into the parks. As you may recall I've been going to the parks since I was 18 months old-Disneyland since there was not a WDW. I've lugged the camera around, took all the pretty pictures, then all the pictures of my ever growing family over the second 20 years of WDW. Now I am pretty much done with that. I can only take so many pictures of the Castle etc. My iPhone takes good enough pictures for what I need them for and I have never pretended to be a photographer on any level. I snap memories now and they are perfectly fine for my needs and it is so easy to forward them with the iPhone or upload them very quickly. I love all the photo's from our members that are great photographers. I admire their talent that I will never have.
I always laugh at the soccer mom's dragging around a dslr taking pictures when a point and shoot or a decent phone would absolutely suit their needs.
 

71jason

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According to the book, "Walt Disney" by Neal Gabler. Elias moved to a place called Kismet, Florida that was located in Central Florida about 50 miles from where WDW is currently located.

Kismet is long-dead now, but was in the inland Volusia/Lake County area. Why Walt's original plan was to build close enough to allow easy access to Daytona Beach (or more likely Ormond IMO, I think the story has been changed around over the years). Local officials thought their tourism market would be fine without DisneyLand East, saw Plan B was cheap orange groves near I-4 and what we now call the Turnpike.

50 years later, Daytona is a drug, prostitution and pedophile infested hellhole, a ragtag collection of crumbling beachside motels, strip clubs and smoke shops. Orlando is the #28 city in the country. Your Florida history lesson for the day.
 

Goofyernmost

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Kismet is long-dead now, but was in the inland Volusia/Lake County area. Why Walt's original plan was to build close enough to allow easy access to Daytona Beach (or more likely Ormond IMO, I think the story has been changed around over the years). Local officials thought their tourism market would be fine without DisneyLand East, saw Plan B was cheap orange groves near I-4 and what we now call the Turnpike.

50 years later, Daytona is a drug, prostitution and pedophile infested hellhole, a ragtag collection of crumbling beachside motels, strip clubs and smoke shops. Orlando is the #28 city in the country. Your Florida history lesson for the day.
Thanks for that information, but, I do have one question. Don't I always? When you say "local officials" what do you mean? Since it was a secret land grab, how would they have known that Walt was even considering doing anything in Florida?

The idea that it was near the intersection of I-4 and the Florida Turnpike has been documented as the reason for the Orlando location more then anything else (cheap land the second motivator). Anyone knowing what he was thinking would have been disastrous to Walt's plans, wouldn't it?
 

Nemo14

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I was told a long time ago by an old-timer in Ocala that Walt's original vision was a park in the Ocala area, and in fact had bought several parcels of land in that area. Seems to make some sense considering the Welcome area that was there for years. Can anyone back that up?
 

WDW1974

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Original Poster
Spirited Midweek Musings:

Yeah, been that kind of week.

So, Theron is still with WDI?!?! Still coming up with absurd backstories to justify why DD is undergoing its myriad makeover. Seriously, I haven't heard his name in such a long time ... hell, he gave me my very first pre-opening tour of DCA. And, for some bizarre reason, I keep running across his business cards (like I have a dozen of them and one will just pop up with a Dodgers program from a 2004 baseball game!) Very weird.

I've heard the fanboi community hasn't taken kindly to Disney's pitiable PR effort in wasting god knows how much on creating a backstory for a MALL!!!

Speaking of which, so Andy 'Fidel's Little Bro' Castro sorta gives me a backhanded compliment on the Twitter about the Toontown/Frozen etc news, yet at the same time appears to be taking a shot at Todd and Norm for putting out that column. Look, I get that Micechat has become an aggregator of various Disney and non-Disney theme park content. It's not simply the place where Al Lutz pontificated for so many years.

But I think Rule No. 1 of having the site supply, and give your content attention, should be an underlying faith that whatever goes in that main column (Al's former one) is quite well vetted and the best stuff on the 'net. If you think they're just putting out BS for attention, then I'd suggest that you don't know the people and that maybe you shouldn't be supplying them with your lovely pics.

More thoughts later but it is booming here in the distance, and I need to beat the rain to lunch ...
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
Ha! That came off as a tad judgmental my friend. ;)

I do indeed use my phone for photo's. I carry little into the parks. As you may recall I've been going to the parks since I was 18 months old-Disneyland since there was not a WDW. I've lugged the camera around, took all the pretty pictures, then all the pictures of my ever growing family over the second 20 years of WDW. Now I am pretty much done with that. I can only take so many pictures of the Castle etc. My iPhone takes good enough pictures for what I need them for and I have never pretended to be a photographer on any level. I snap memories now and they are perfectly fine for my needs and it is so easy to forward them with the iPhone or upload them very quickly. I love all the photo's from our members that are great photographers. I admire their talent that I will never have.

as long its not an ipad or another tablet ;)

I always laugh at the soccer mom's dragging around a dslr taking pictures when a point and shoot or a decent phone would absolutely suit their needs.
A person is only as good as their skills imho.
If they cant take a photo for crap.. a DSLR will not magically fix their issues or wrong choices.
 

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