The Spirited Seventh Heaven ...

WDW1974

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Yeah, I agree. I usually love HTF and all of the little bits and pieces he trickles out through tweets and such, but this whole thing is rubbing me the wrong way. He's being vague in the worst way, saying that something is coming but he won't tell what. Saying that is like a presidential candidate saying they will increase jobs; it's something everybody wants, but what are the details, how are you really going to accomplish it?

It seems to me that HTF is playing into Disney's hands by hyping them up right when Uni is ready to knock the doors down for a few months, exactly like you warned. It's something I would never expect from HTF but I'm suspicious, especially since he's typically the Universal source and I can't remember him ever really getting a Disney scoop. HTF doesn't strike me as someone who would play ball so easily, but...

If he has something to say, then he ought to just say it. The teasing might be fun in a game of Find Tom Bricker's lens cap (a fanboi friend has suggested this as a real game, so do NOT think I created it!) But it is no fun when people think you are holding back on them.

I keep far more to myself than I ever put out for all sorts of very good reasons. But I won't say ''something big is coming to EPCOT'' and then not follow up. If I can't tell the entire story to protect sources etc, then I at least try and get something out that says 'I am not simply someone looking for attention' ...
 

WDW1974

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No, he's right.
Anyone suspected of being a "brony" is summarily thrown into Bay Lake and kept there until they repent and promise not to be weird anymore.

Just can't abide those bronies...o_O

Agreed!!! If they come up for breath they are evil and should be held under water for 10 minutes. If they sink, then they are righteous! :devilish::D:cool:

You going to be near the Spirit Line tonight? :)
 

WDWDad13

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OK, I toyed with either reporting this, ignoring this or replying. The last won out.

I don't like being called a liar, and if you think I make things up than what kind of no-lifer are you to read and respond to it? I think you belong on the Twitter (although you probably already are there).

Disney's big demo get, which should be obvious to someone with an IQ above room temp in Alaska in winter, is the Mommies. That is why they are spending millions and millions of dollars to wine and dine and BUY insignificant bloggers. Call Gary Buchanan over at Celebration Place. He'll tell you how important these people are. That doesn't mean that other demos aren't important, just that Disney has decided that for WDW the most important people to target are mommies and their young daughters. Period.

Never said that Disney is all about them and no one else. That was you using your 'Spirited Hater' filter to change the meaning and intent of what was posted.

As to Cars Land (again, two words, folks), that franchise while skewing male is considered 'safe' by the Mommy Brigade and, frankly, they were not taken into consideration when the project was green-lighted back in 2007.

And building Pandora is precisely the reason why some (a small group to be fair, but there shouldn't be anyone opposed to Star Wars at WDW) folks feel SW is too much straying outside of the Princess comfort zone.

Thanks, as usual, for your emotion and distortion. You add so much to this place with your presence.

Feel better now? ..and hey you added another post to your thread! :)

Just messing with you man it's all good.....proceed as you wish
 

Bairstow

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Nah. Better to chat about conspiracies and make fun of anyone who asks questions than to simply ask why Disney is doing business with defense contractors. In the era of Edward Snowden and the NSA, shutting one's mind to what is very possible, even if unlikely, isn't wise at all.

I'm sure Disney needs to have facial recognition scanners installed in case that crazy Twit that swam to Discovery Island and also snuck into the rotting corpse of RC and placed it on YouTube tries to sneak into the MK despite being banned by the company ... yep, that's it!

I'd love to see proof of this.
I asked Nubs for proof, and he told me to fishing on Google.
That's not good enough for me.
 

WDW1974

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This seems relevant to our ongoing discussion of Disney fandom.
http://badassdigest.com/2014/06/24/the-nostalgia-will-eat-itself/

Loved reading that, thanks.

And makes very salient points about both nostalgia and obsession ... things I would then put under the MAGICal Disney fan community microscope and see all the mental illness that's there (and if you think it is bad here or on Twitter or the DIS ... well, that's the proverbial tip).

The best story you won't see in the NYTimes Sunday Magazine or anywhere else is: Does TWDC actively market itself to mental defectives in a way that furthers their illnesses, addictions and difficulty fitting into society?
 

DinoInstitute

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They won't do it, but the SMART thing to be would be to start building now - and have a time table that doesn't have it being half-a-decade until construction is complete. Some will have you think that is impossible, but Universal sure seems to do it much more quickly. And then announce part way through - "This will be here next year!" Not "in five years, guests will be able to..."

That's what books repeat trips as well - "next year" makes folks more motivated than "come back in 5 years..."
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Just re-posting this just in case the people at Disney that monitor the threads missed this
 

WDW1974

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The demand shaping is a large part of the value that FP+ offers to the operations side of the company. But it is just one of many aspects of the larger NextGen initiatives.

"just keep building attractions" is not a sustainable business model (ask six flags) and Disney is wise to avoid getting into a 'attractions arms race'. The challenge right now for fans is Disney has a huge backlog of stale it needs to address and needs to 'get fit' when it comes to balancing out their current parks.

True enough. But simply spreading existing crowds out to attractions that either are people-eaters that don't have large waits most times, not as well known or are unpopular by shell games (that is what MM+ does at its core ... it makes a 90-minute line at Space Mountain become a 70-minute line by creating a 45-minute wait at say ... Pirates) is a big problem with the NGE program.

Don't get me wrong, I think evening out crowds can be a very good thing. But it doesn't solve the staleness and neglect issues. Once every quarter of a century, the MK should get a REAL expansion with a REAL major attraction or two. As should the other parks.
 
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DinoInstitute

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True enough. But simply spreading existing crowds out to attractions that either are people-eaters that don't have large waits most times, not as well known or are unpopular by shell games (that is what MM+ does at its core ... it makes a 90-minute line at Space Mountain become a 70-minute line by creating a 45-minute wait at say ... Pirates).

Don't get me wrong, I think evening out crowds can be a very good thing. But it doesn't solve the staleness and neglect issues. Once every quarter of a century, the MK should get a REAL expansion with a REAL major attraction or two. As should the other parks.
Really? The other parks only get it every quarter of a century?
 

WDW1974

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There is nobody out there pushing this IP to the masses at the moment. But there will be. There will be. And then all the smack talkers on wdwmagic will have egg on their faces. Again.

Has everyone really forgotten the absolute craze around the first movie? (rhetorical).

And people still second guessing Cameron's ability to deliver. o_O

Up is down. Down is up. :rolleyes:

Yep ... and you are still OFF ... as in 'off your rocker' ... the more things change ...
 

LithiumBill

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I'm here, for a bit. It would have been easier if we didn't have about 10 active threads on this board essentially discussing the same things:

1.) Potter 2.0;
2.) The right now mythical Star Wars Land;
3.) Disney vs. UNI;
4.) What HTF thinks of this;
5.) Stuff closing (or not) for SW construction (that is still the stuff of myth);
6.) Why attendance numbers are not nearly as important as fanbois think;
7.) MM+ and how it fits in with any/all of the above.

I don't know how anyone who isn't here 24 hours a day keeps up with all the nonsense.
We don't. God help you if you actually go out for a night or away for a weekend, it takes hours to get caught up, if you are that dedicated! (I am not)
 

WDW1974

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I know my buddy spirit gets really tired of this debate as well so I ll leave with this fact (not opinion)
number 1 selling blue ray two weeks ago from a 5 year old movie (unprecedented)
ill give you the last opinion

We all know that there were some facts left out of that, not the least of which was the huge Walmart push to sell them at a time when no one is rushing out to buy DVDs. You think the marketing and the price and the fact no new major film was being released might of just had something to do with that one? Just maybe?

But I will go postal if this thread becomes one on the merits of Avatar.
 

twebber55

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We all know that there were some facts left out of that, not the least of which was the huge Walmart push to sell them at a time when no one is rushing out to buy DVDs. You think the marketing and the price and the fact no new major film was being released might of just had something to do with that one? Just maybe?

But I will go postal if this thread becomes one on the merits of Avatar.
yep walmart put it on sale and it went to number one quite an achievement for a 5 year film don't you think
 

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