The Spirited Seventh Heaven ...

WDW1974

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I think the point is this shouldn't even be discussed.

How can someone, even here, miss that?

You want to know why WDW is so stale and neglected and yet just invested billions of dollars and the most tangible thing a guest gets out of it is a plastic tracking bracelet?

It's because some people at the company, after spending four billion for Lucasfilm and putting new films into production and scheduling at least six new ones to start ... that maybe ... maybe ... 33-year-old male virgins who attend SWWs scare Mommy bloggers from the Heartland who plan and finance lavish $9,000 weeks at WDW.

Why is this point so hard to digest?

It just goes to show the lack of intelligence and understanding of their fan base on the management level. The exclusivity concern shouldn't be warranted because not only is Star Wars weekends a major attendance draw, it is an IP that (like potter) is not gender or generationally biased.

It doesn't seem like it's going to be an issue in the long run, but in the short term it's one of the reasons why dirt isn't being moved.

It's further evidence that current management has no grasp of what the people want. Instead they are afraid of how their BRAND will be tampered with by a mommy blogger who gets maybe 30 views per video on YouTube.

Yes, that is the point nailed. But someone on the west coast told me when I was out there that I don't have ''the complete picture'' on these Mommy Bloggers and how 18 months after writing some weak 'WDW is MAGICal and this is why you MUST take your family and make memories' column, those nothing columns still pop up at the top of Google searches. And that Disney's social media consultants then use those search results to continue to justify pimping the product to them.

Now, one might ask why that is and if the company is doing any favors for the Mouse since they do work together ... but then folks would start their 'I don't have anything to add, so I'll accuse you of wearing a tinfoil hat' deals

These threads get over 500,000 views. Listen to us Disney...

Nobody reads these threads. No one.
 

WDW1974

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Star Wars Weekends has been the same old, same old for a few years now. They were able to sell a breakfast for something like $60. Pump out unique, quality merchandise and relevant dining options, yes, they will buy like crazy.

This year, they added the character meals, which were priced insanely and you couldn't use any discounts on ... @WDWFigment blogged about them and while the food looked good, no breakfast in this galaxy is worth $48 a person or anything close.

They also added the nightly pyro, which I have handed to them online here for years. No brainer.

And they did away with that Hoopla show, which seemed like a drag show for SW fans.
 

AEfx

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There is nobody out there pushing this IP to the masses at the moment. But there will be. There will be. And then all the smack talkers on wdwmagic will have egg on their faces. Again.

Has everyone really forgotten the absolute craze around the first movie? (rhetorical).

And people still second guessing Cameron's ability to deliver. o_O

Up is down. Down is up. :rolleyes:

I have no doubt they will be just as pretty, if not prettier, than the first one.

But what the 2 or 3 Avatar fans on this board simply refuse to accept is that the craze wasn't about Avatar. It was about 3-D.

3-D is nothing new, it's a fad that comes and goes. And, all accounts show - it's on it's way down again. Because of the machine in place and the availability of the technology, this time it will not likely disappear like it has before, but it's zeitgeist moment has passed. 3-D at home essentially failed - 2-3 years ago when the sets first started coming out, by now even skeptics like myself thought practically every TV would have it - yet as I discovered when buying a new TV, you can't even really get one at Wal-mart or Target anymore (they might have 1 or 2 high end models) and only the high-end TV's (in the five digits) even offer it any more.

What Cameron did was create a very pretty film at just the right time, marketed in a great way, and offered a new experience in terms of 3-D we hadn't seen before at a time when economic issues were keeping folks from even going to the theaters. It finally offered something "new" in terms of technology, something that even folks that would have never seen that film otherwise went to as an "event".

Culturally, though, nothing in the film has sustained any sort of interest. Part of that was Cameron's insistence of using the "Avatar" name - so generic, and when I saw Happy Meal toys offered a few months back for Avatar - it wasn't even this Avatar.

Not one character made any impact enough for folks to even remember their name, not one line or scene has made it out in any sort of cultural reference, even amongst those who saw it. It didn't take a hold of a generation.

The land will succeed if it's done well, and has quality attractions, but it's not going to draw folks there just because it's Avatar related, unlike Potter, Star Wars, etc..

One thing that Andy C mentions was how Twitter has changed the way the Disney fan community interacts and exchanges information and he is quite right about that. The sad thing is that he, and many others, think it changed for the better.

While I'm not one to throw stones at brevity (since I often err on the opposite side), what it has done overall (not just to Disney, but in general) has made the headline/hook the content. I'm all for attention-grabbing headlines or hooks to draw you in to something worth reading, I have a great appreciation for the art, but it's just so pithy and meaningless when it doesn't lead to actual content. It's not difficult to get folks to say "Oh yeah!" to 180-character or less sound bite, because you only convey such "yay" or "nay" divisive statements that way that it leads to no actual intelligent discourse.

TL;DR? It makes everyone think that every thought-fart is profound, and they have no fear of (or even ability to) having to back themselves up.


So a bunch of people who haven't posted on a message board in 7 years still know exactly what is posted here. Maybe they don't post, but they obviously still read here.

Of course they do. Everyone does. It's where most information that isn't directly leaked to a specific source on purpose comes from initially (i.e. Disney directly leaking NFL stuff to Jim Hill, who was notorious for taking a thread here and basically giving no additional information, just summarizing what we all had said and passing it off as an article).

I've also seen and heard enough times to know that PhotoDave isn't blowing smoke - you bet your behinds that various members of the Disney organization keep a close eye, as well. It's too long a story to tell now, but I had suspicions of a specific incident, that was confirmed to me years later that completely validated what I knew all along - while on one hand, yes, we are the "fanbois" so it would be foolish just to take our opinions and run with it - on the other hand, we also have a lot of valuable information here that they can find very, very useful when it comes to things they couldn't tell from their surveys and metrics alone.
 

WDW1974

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Not buying it.
I think what happened is that Palantir mentioned a theoretical terrorist bombing of Walt Disney World in a sales pitch to the government, a couple business journals mentioned this, and some conspiracy wackos picked up on it and ran with it.

These are 2 entities that are currently involved with the creation of NGE/MM+ with Google coming in to help clean up the mess. So please Google the names, look at company origins, clients, and funding sources. Let us know what you find down the rabbit hole.

Nah. Better to chat about conspiracies and make fun of anyone who asks questions than to simply ask why Disney is doing business with defense contractors. In the era of Edward Snowden and the NSA, shutting one's mind to what is very possible, even if unlikely, isn't wise at all.

I'm sure Disney needs to have facial recognition scanners installed in case that crazy Twit that swam to Discovery Island and also snuck into the rotting corpse of RC and placed it on YouTube tries to sneak into the MK despite being banned by the company ... yep, that's it!
 

71jason

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It's because some people at the company, after spending four billion for Lucasfilm and putting new films into production and scheduling at least six new ones to start ... that maybe ... maybe ... 33-year-old male virgins who attend SWWs scare Mommy bloggers from the Heartland who plan and finance lavish $9,000 weeks at WDW.

Actually he's only 31. (Sorry, a Kaufmann/Zamuda style joke for @PhotoDave219 and me.)

Why is this point so hard to digest?

The thread did go off the rails pretty quick into the "is WDW for boys?" rant. But I'll say this--I think it's an issue TWDC should be discussing. If there's a downside to Hogsmeade beside its small size, it would be the grown adults (surprisingly more women than men) walking around in full wizard robes clutching plastic wands.* Same creepy vibe I get from adults playing SotMK by themselves. I think the light crowds at Mark Hamil weekend bear this out--not saying Star Wars Land wouldn't be a success, but I think it would be overrun by adult SW fanbois who take this stuff too seriously. Just imagine if Jedi Training started taking child-less adults...


* (The brunette in the Slytherin schoolgirl outfit who used to stalk Beetlejuice being the exception that proves this rule.)
 

WDW1974

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I don't think the men who watch My Little Pony demo is allowed near theme parks anyway...
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If you think this, then you are not paying attention to the Disney fan community ... seriously ... ask @Lee when he pops in, he is the resident expert on bronies!
 

ParentsOf4

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Again, I said they were a factor. I also said they would in no way stop this project. The whole reason I brought it up was because I couldn't believe this was real. Two friends, who I trust but do NOT work for Disney, told me this and I thought it was hyperbole and left it. But when a real live Imagineer not only told me the same thing, but added color and background, well, I thought people here deserved to know how out of touch (or bat **** crazy!) many of Disney's decisionmakers truly are. I don't want to give this anymore of my precious time.
Never has Disney's management been presented with such an obvious 'no brainer' decision than to build Star Wars Land in DHS.

To even doubt this is the right decision shows a level of ineptitude that boggles the mind. :banghead:

Over the decades, I've seen some self-centered, back-stabbing, egotistical buffoons climb the corporate ladder, but I sometimes wonder if The Walt Disney Company has cornered the market on them. :arghh:
 

WDW1974

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Good morning WDW Magic... Sorry to interrupt the fun, but I have something actually worthwhile to contribute.

Made the pilgrimage out to HKDL, no movement yet on the new hotel...

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The Hollywood Hotel is in the midst of adding something? in its backyard.

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And the first (that I've seen at least) pictures of the Ironman construction site, starting to go vertical. Had to brave Autotopia for these and I'll hide them just in case anyone cares about that sort of thing...

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From what I can gather at least the actual show building is in the background and the ride entrance/shop juts out from the left. I'm curious how they plan on rejiggering the Autotopia queue, it will probably start from the Ironman promenade instead of just at the train bridge.

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There's a few more and the full res can be downloaded from Flickr: BrianLockha's photostream

Thanks for the update. Hope the humidity isn't killing you (I would never head to Asia in the summer!)

I'd love to hear anything about your experiences at HKDL, so feel free to drop them here (I won't see them on the Asian parks board because it gets about 11 clicks a month in a good month!) ...anything from observations on the park, food, entertainment, merchandise ... whatever you wish!
 

PhotoDave219

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I have no doubt they will be just as pretty, if not prettier, than the first one.

But what the 2 or 3 Avatar fans on this board simply refuse to accept is that the craze wasn't about Avatar. It was about 3-D.

3-D is nothing new, it's a fad that comes and goes. And, all accounts show - it's on it's way down again. Because of the machine in place and the availability of the technology, this time it will not likely disappear like it has before, but it's zeitgeist moment has passed. 3-D at home essentially failed - 2-3 years ago when the sets first started coming out, by now even skeptics like myself thought practically every TV would have it - yet as I discovered when buying a new TV, you can't even really get one at Wal-mart or Target anymore (they might have 1 or 2 high end models) and only the high-end TV's (in the five digits) even offer it any more.

What Cameron did was create a very pretty film at just the right time, marketed in a great way, and offered a new experience in terms of 3-D we hadn't seen before at a time when economic issues were keeping folks from even going to the theaters. It finally offered something "new" in terms of technology, something that even folks that would have never seen that film otherwise went to as an "event".

Culturally, though, nothing in the film has sustained any sort of interest. Part of that was Cameron's insistence of using the "Avatar" name - so generic, and when I saw Happy Meal toys offered a few months back for Avatar - it wasn't even this Avatar.

Not one character made any impact enough for folks to even remember their name, not one line or scene has made it out in any sort of cultural reference, even amongst those who saw it. It didn't take a hold of a generation.

The land will succeed if it's done well, and has quality attractions, but it's not going to draw folks there just because it's Avatar related, unlike Potter, Star Wars, etc..



While I'm not one to throw stones at brevity (since I often err on the opposite side), what it has done overall (not just to Disney, but in general) has made the headline/hook the content. I'm all for attention-grabbing headlines or hooks to draw you in to something worth reading, I have a great appreciation for the art, but it's just so pithy and meaningless when it doesn't lead to actual content. It's not difficult to get folks to say "Oh yeah!" to 180-character or less sound bite, because you only convey such "yay" or "nay" divisive statements that way that it leads to no actual intelligent discourse.

TL;DR? It makes everyone think that every thought-fart is profound, and they have no fear of (or even ability to) having to back themselves up.




Of course they do. Everyone does. It's where most information that isn't directly leaked to a specific source on purpose comes from initially (i.e. Disney directly leaking NFL stuff to Jim Hill, who was notorious for taking a thread here and basically giving no additional information, just summarizing what we all had said and passing it off as an article).

I've also seen and heard enough times to know that PhotoDave isn't blowing smoke - you bet your behinds that various members of the Disney organization keep a close eye, as well. It's too long a story to tell now, but I had suspicions of a specific incident, that was confirmed to me years later that completely validated what I knew all along - while on one hand, yes, we are the "fanbois" so it would be foolish just to take our opinions and run with it - on the other hand, we also have a lot of valuable information here that they can find very, very useful when it comes to things they couldn't tell from their surveys and metrics alone.

I found out from a manager 10 years ago that Disney reads these boards - My manager at the time. A not so subtle message was sent of "remember who you work for"...

And other comments from other people who work for the company. Generally they're looking for people leaking info (see also "vacuum cleaner parts list guy")
 

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