The Spirited Seventh Heaven ...

[twebber55]

Clarify because what he said is true..

I just did

 

[jt04]

Cameron delivered with a good visual, not with a good narrative. The craze was because it was pretty visuals that we had never seen before. Not because the movie was good. However, if they make the land equivalent to what the concept art showed, they may have a win. If they don't, then it will not be a magical day at the most Magical Place on Earth.

You are speaking from your personal pov. I assure you there is an entire fan base out there that will be lined up for the new features. I am more of a SW person but Avatar has a large fan base that is not just based on the visuals.

And not only are people second guessing Cameron here but Iger too and whoever Iger consulted with. Guarantee he did not make this one of his projects without thinking it through. Feel free to quote me in 2017. If you dare.

 

[Captain Chaos]

well your first line said no one cared about it
I really don't want this tired debate again

They don't, except Iger. And Cameron since it is his baby. Otherwise, no one cares about Avatar. If people did, there would be a lot of hype regarding the coming land. There isn't any. That's my point. People don't care about Avatar. Not in the way they care about Star Wars or Potter.

 

[jt04]

They don't, except Iger. And Cameron since it is his baby. Otherwise, no one cares about Avatar. If people did, there would be a lot of hype regarding the coming land. There isn't any. That's my point. People don't care about Avatar. Not in the way they care about Star Wars or Potter.

It is an interesting prediction. Misguided but interesting.

 

[Quinnmac000]

You are speaking from your personal pov. I assure you there is an entire fan base out there that will be lined up for the new features. I am more of a SW person but Avatar has a large fan base that is not just based on the visuals.

And not only are people second guessing Cameron here but Iger too and whoever Iger consulted with. Guarantee he did not make this one of his projects without thinking it through. Feel free to quote me in 2017. If you dare.

You really think Iger choices are absolutely perfect or go absolutely perfect? MM+ is still getting bad press and this was also one of his big projects so I have a right to second guess Iger.

 

[twebber55]

But see, we were discussing hype... Yes, I think we all want Star Wars. I think many of us trust Disney to do it right, and that they will do it right, because of the IP involved and because of what Universal did up the road with Potter.

If Iger stood on a stage in front of Cinderella Castle tomorrow and announced in 5 years there would be a Star Wars land coming to DHS, without any specifics, the hype machine would kick into over drive, based on the IP alone. Which is what my point was. Avatar, as an IP, is not exciting to people, which is why there is no hype. Now, maybe when they finally get around to detailing the ride, maybe the hype picks up, especially if it winds up being more than a 3D Soarin. Maybe the hype machine generates some over time if the land is truly immersive. But the IP alone isn't worth enough to get the hype going.

Now, if Iger announces Star Wars tomorrow, and the hype machine goes into over drive, and all they do is what you said above: they will not only be laughing stocks on fan sites, but the media in general will crucify Disney. They will have egg on their face.

In this case, IP plays a very important roll in the hype.

They don't, except Iger. And Cameron since it is his baby. Otherwise, no one cares about Avatar. If people did, there would be a lot of hype regarding the coming land. There isn't any. That's my point. People don't care about Avatar. Not in the way they care about Star Wars or Potter.

I know my buddy spirit gets really tired of this debate as well so I ll leave with this fact (not opinion)
number 1 selling blue ray two weeks ago from a 5 year old movie (unprecedented)
ill give you the last opinion

 

[GoofGoof]

Evening folks, hope all is well as the thunder booms down here in paradise.

First off, I did bleed some today, but ... this is the important part -- I am NOT DEAD YET!!!

I had hoped to try and catch up on this thread, but that would take me about two dozen pages and who knows how much time and even with me not working full time right now that is something I can't do. I also realized that stepping into that Disney vs. UNI Round 5,678,987 here last night wasn't the most productive use of my time.

Since more than a few of you saw (and 'liked') a post or two of mine that disappeared in the night understand that wasn't the work of the mods. That was me. I've been in a very ornery mood of late and decided to pile some back on the Twits who seem to go after me with religious-like fervor. I don't like it but I get that they feel empowered by talking in a vacuum, by never having discussions of weight because you can't on Twitter, by never having opposing PoV to deal with. And they all feel like kewl kids on their eighth iPhone while we're still walking around with our flip phones (Metro PCS has some godawful commercials out on this subject now!) And I also realized that what do I even say to someone called 'Todd Dupler' or to someone pretending to be a dead CEO (hey, here's an idea ... let Card RIP and bury that schtick with D23, among the 'it was tired almost as soon as it started' idea pile) ... or to someone who I often praise both here and in the real world, Fidel's little bro Andy Castro, who has some crazy notion that I am trying to get an old member here to post again when he has a great little Lifestyle BRAND going for himself etc. It all is insane as are many members of the fan community (here, there and everywhere).

But since some of you asked what went down, I wanted to let you know. This is what got me going when I should have likely ignored it and the people there:

https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/481226312141385728

One thing that Andy C mentions was how Twitter has changed the way the Disney fan community interacts and exchanges information and he is quite right about that. The sad thing is that he, and many others, think it changed for the better.

So a bunch of people who haven't posted on a message board in 7 years still know exactly what is posted here. Maybe they don't post, but they obviously still read here.

 

[WDW1974]

Ok that 74 post is bull - if Disney was all about just trying to attract "Mommies and their 'wittle princesses'" the someone please explain Carsland and Pandora, 2 of the biggest and most recent or current expansions taking place

Everyone just seems to buy into everything he says....it's almost funny to watch

OK, I toyed with either reporting this, ignoring this or replying. The last won out.

I don't like being called a liar, and if you think I make things up than what kind of no-lifer are you to read and respond to it? I think you belong on the Twitter (although you probably already are there).

Disney's big demo get, which should be obvious to someone with an IQ above room temp in Alaska in winter, is the Mommies. That is why they are spending millions and millions of dollars to wine and dine and BUY insignificant bloggers. Call Gary Buchanan over at Celebration Place. He'll tell you how important these people are. That doesn't mean that other demos aren't important, just that Disney has decided that for WDW the most important people to target are mommies and their young daughters. Period.

Never said that Disney is all about them and no one else. That was you using your 'Spirited Hater' filter to change the meaning and intent of what was posted.

As to Cars Land (again, two words, folks), that franchise while skewing male is considered 'safe' by the Mommy Brigade and, frankly, they were not taken into consideration when the project was green-lighted back in 2007.

And building Pandora is precisely the reason why some (a small group to be fair, but there shouldn't be anyone opposed to Star Wars at WDW) folks feel SW is too much straying outside of the Princess comfort zone.

Thanks, as usual, for your emotion and distortion. You add so much to this place with your presence.

 

[jt04]

I'm here, for a bit. It would have been easier if we didn't have about 10 active threads on this board essentially discussing the same things:

1.) Potter 2.0;
2.) The right now mythical Star Wars Land;
3.) Disney vs. UNI;
4.) What HTF thinks of this;
5.) Stuff closing (or not) for SW construction (that is still the stuff of myth);
6.) Why attendance numbers are not nearly as important as fanbois think;
7.) MM+ and how it fits in with any/all of the above.

I don't know how anyone who isn't here 24 hours a day keeps up with all the nonsense.

Your only regret here is that you can't keep the cats all hearded in the same direction. Hmmm, wonder why. Anyway, I have noticed that and wanted it noted.

Potter is awesome. Disney must react. They will. All is proceeding as I have foreseen.

Adios. I have election returns to follow.

 

[71jason]

TNA still does. It never caught on as much as I would have thought it would.

Saddest thing I ever saw one unseasonably cold December afternoon was the TNA street team begging Universal guests hustling for the exit to come see a free taping "because it's warm inside!".

 

[WDW1974]

If there are truly people in management who think the Star Wars expansion shouldn't be built (not just how), and they are influential enough to dictate strategy, wouldn't progress on the project have stopped altogether and not just been delayed?

Again, I said they were a factor. I also said they would in no way stop this project. The whole reason I brought it up was because I couldn't believe this was real. Two friends, who I trust but do NOT work for Disney, told me this and I thought it was hyperbole and left it. But when a real live Imagineer not only told me the same thing, but added color and background, well, I thought people here deserved to know how out of touch (or bat crazy!) many of Disney's decisionmakers truly are. I don't want to give this anymore of my precious time.

 

[aladdin2007]

OK, I toyed with either reporting this, ignoring this or replying. The last won out.

I don't like being called a liar, and if you think I make things up than what kind of no-lifer are you to read and respond to it? I think you belong on the Twitter (although you probably already are there).

Disney's big demo get, which should be obvious to someone with an IQ above room temp in Alaska in winter, is the Mommies. That is why they are spending millions and millions of dollars to wine and dine and BUY insignificant bloggers. Call Gary Buchanan over at Celebration Place. He'll tell you how important these people are. That doesn't mean that other demos aren't important, just that Disney has decided that for WDW the most important people to target are mommies and their young daughters. Period.

Never said that Disney is all about them and no one else. That was you using your 'Spirited Hater' filter to change the meaning and intent of what was posted.

As to Cars Land (again, two words, folks), that franchise while skewing male is considered 'safe' by the Mommy Brigade and, frankly, they were not taken into consideration when the project was green-lighted back in 2007.

And building Pandora is precisely the reason why some (a small group to be fair, but there shouldn't be anyone opposed to Star Wars at WDW) folks feel SW is too much straying outside of the Princess comfort zone.

Thanks, as usual, for your emotion and distortion. You add so much to this place with your presence.

the whole princess thing really sickens me. Disney World never use to be so focused on that and walmarting everything to it. first mk became princess kingdom essentially, now its spewing over into epcot. I could go on but I can't Im annoyed lol. heck you cant even dine at California Grill without tons of screamings kids and kids in their princess costumes with their moms that look like they just came from the pool..

 

[71jason]

Just had a chance to read this and it is a great read.

Just so everyone knows, the author is the same guy who got into a fight with Hokie Skipper on Twitter and wrote that "Wall-E" as date rapist article. As I said over the weekend, 70% brilliant insight, 30% fanboi tweeking. I think you see both in this column.

But really, is there any other reason for Orange Bird or Oswald merch to exist? (And I like Orange Bird!)

 

[aladdin2007]

Just so everyone knows, the author is the same guy who got into a fight with Hokie Skipper on Twitter and wrote that "Wall-E" as date rapist article. As I said over the weekend, 70% brilliant insight, 30% fanboi tweeking. I think you see both in this column.

But really, is there any other reason for Orange Bird or Oswald merch to exist? (And I like Orange Bird!)

I like the orange bird too, and the merch, I mean its something not princess or cars for a change. But sorta retro MK.

 

[wdisney9000]

I'll second that. And let's corner the market in frozen concentrated orange juice.

The Dukes brothers will never see it coming. I love Don Ameche.

 

[71jason]

I used to love ecw, some of the best times I've ever had were at those events.

Had TNA picked up Paul Heyman when they had the chance, still probably wouldn't have gone national, but every smart-mark on vacation down here would stop by. Instead they hired Vince Russo ...

 

[twebber55]

The Dukes brothers will never see it coming. I love Don Ameche.

it was the dukes it was the dukes
classic

 

[RivieraJenn]

the whole princess thing really sickens me. Disney World never use to be so focused on that and walmarting everything to it. first mk became princess kingdom essentially, now its spewing over into epcot. I could go on but I can't Im annoyed lol. heck you cant even dine at California Grill without tons of screamings kids and kids in their princess costumes with their moms that look like they just came from the pool..

And yet...the whole "princess thing" is really just smoke and mirrors and upcharging. This was mentioned previously, but there are very few princess attractions outside of a bazillion meet-and-greets, one gorgeous bathroom and your choice of cheap-looking, uncomfortable dresses and a headache-inducing hairdo, yours for only $194.95. If you want to attract mommies and their princesses, there are better ways.

(And I say this knowing full well that, as a child, I would have given all of my worldly possessions for a princess makeover in Cinderella Castle. But I also know there is no way in hell my parents would have paid for it.)

 

[danlb_2000]

Your only regret here is that you can't keep the cats all hearded in the same direction. Hmmm, wonder why. Anyway, I have noticed that and wanted it noted.

Potter is awesome. Disney must react. They will. All is proceeding as I have foreseen.

Adios. I have election returns to follow.

All? How is this working out for you...

And why would Disney do anything when it is just a matter of time (meaning months to a few years Raven) before Uni gives up the Marvel IoA rights voluntarily.

Iger checkmated Universal.

 

[jt04]

All? How is this working out for you...

Time is on my side. Yes it is.